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Alwayspacking
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 04:14 pm |
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Michigander wrote: Obe wrote: Awesome. I plan on surprising my mom when she comes to visit me. 
Me too.
Same here. But she knows I am alwayspacking so I guess it's expected of me to be OCing
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 05:25 pm |
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This is straight from the DPS website: Airports are only prohibited in the secure areas past those detectors.....
FIREARMS ARE PROHIBITED OR RESTRICTED IN THE FOLLOWING PLACES (with or without a permit)
* Businesses serving alcohol for consumption on the premises (peace officers are excepted)
* Polling places on election days (peace officers are excepted)
* School grounds (some exceptions – see below) (peace officers are excepted)
* Commercial nuclear & hydroelectric generating stations (peace officers are excepted)
* Military installations (peace officers are limited)
* Indian reservations (check w/tribe, peace officers are limited)
* Game preserves (peace officers are limited)
* National parks (peace officers are limited)
* Correctional facilities
* Federal buildings (peace officers are limited)
* Airports (in or beyond security checkpoints) (peace officers are limited)
* Where federal, state or local laws prohibit weapons (peace officers are limited)
* State or local government/private establishments or events when asked by the operator/sponsor/agent. Most government facilities will provide a location to temporarily store a firearm. Persons who refuse to leave and/or secure their weapon are trespassing and can be cited or arrested for 13-1502A1 (C3M) or 13-1503A (C2M), depending on the venue (peace officers are excepted)
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PavePusher
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 06:30 pm |
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RickG wrote: Hi,
I do not usually belong to this forum but there is some misinformation included in some of the responses. I am police Lieutenant assigned to Sky Harbor International Airport and would like to provide the straight scoop.
Arizona has weapons laws that are designed to protect the individual's right to carry weapons. On the other side the state tries to establish a reasonable amount of security at major infrastructures without infringing on those rights any more than necessary. Thus the Arizona law governing weapons at Sky Harbor and other airports is tailored for that purpose.
The fact is, you can carry weapons in the public areas at Sky Harbor International Airport. Will it draw attention? The answer is yes. Unfortunately we do not all wear signs on us that proclaim our intentions and as we all know there are some people in our society that are unbalanced. These individuals, although very small in number, do create difficulties at times for people who want to legitimately carry a weapon because the police officers may contact any individual with a weapon to try and determine their intentions. My officers should be polite and the contact is consentual. I hope you will understand the purpose is not to make life difficult, it is to ensure safety and there is no other way to identify a good honest citizen carrying a weapon from an individual who may have bad intentions, other than talking to them.
The airport is not federal property, although some might think it is. Do not take the weapons beyond the security checkpoints or in SIDA areas of the air operations areas. Private plane owners and people taking charter flights from Fixed Based Operations (Swift, Cutter Aviation etc) have some exemptions in those areas. The FBOs can explain the rules that apply to their areas if you give them a call. The laws governing firearms are designed to protect the right to carry, while protecting only the most critical areas of the airport. If there are organizations that wish to have more information on the laws governing weapons at Sky Harbor I would be happy to have someone come talk to your group. I hope this helps. Suffice it to say, the Phoenix Police officers will not arrest a person for carrying a weapon in the public areas of Sky Harbor unless they are displaying it in a threatening manner (pointing it at people, shouting, etc.). We will contact people carrying weapons in a consentual manner, as I noted above, to determine intentions. Hopefully you can work with us on this matter.
Mr G, thanks for the post, welcome to OCDO! Thanks for your service and support!
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 07:37 pm |
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| Thank you. I am a police officer in another state and your answer is correct and professional. The purpose of this sight is to promote open carry while respecting the laws. While all opinions are welcome we especially like to hear from those who know the exact answer....
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AZkopper
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 12:39 am |
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RickG,
Thank you for your clear and professional response to a important discussion. Your explanation of weighing individual rights against public safety were well stated.
I think RickG's post put this topic to bed.
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mzbk2l
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 02:56 pm |
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Thank you for the very informative post, RickG. I appreciate you taking the time to join so you could provide that information.
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 11:16 pm |
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| Good ifo. I've picked some people up at Sky Harbor heeled... (OC) 'n never had a word said. I didn't see any signs to the contrary... 'n didn't go in the building at all. Some of these TSA people would be flippin' fries at Mickey D's if they hadn't been hired.
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BigRick
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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 02:46 am |
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Sonora Rebel wrote: Some of these TSA people would be flippin' fries at Mickey D's
Some of them are! 
Last edited on Thu Aug 7th, 2008 02:47 am by BigRick
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Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:11 am |
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goldfishcb wrote: ScottyT wrote: If there are in fact signs at Sky Harbor prohibiting firearms from the entire building, you guys should do something to get them removed!
SGT Jensen and his wife recently got the signs at the SLC International Airport removed, since the ticket counters and baggage claim are not secured areas. I picked up a friend a couple weeks ago, OCing into the baggage claim and nothing happened.
Airports are NOT federal buildings, and the mere presence of federal employees does not make it so.
The term ``Federal facility'' means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, ______ where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
Notice there is no "or" where I marked with the red line...
As long as AZ law does not mention Airports (it should only mention secured areas) you should be good to go.
The TSA, Phoenix Police Dept, the FAA, the CPB, and Federal Air Marshalls all lease break rooms and offices at the airport along with a few other federal agencies.
The word OR doens't need to be there in that case.
It's against federal law, a federal law which I enforce as well as the police officers in the airport bureau at sky harbor. If you come packing into Sky Harbor, and a police officer sees you doing it you will be detained and questioned. I promise.
That's pretty funny. I've OC'd in Sky Harbor every time I've been in there over the past 20+ years (including last Monday when I took our God-daughter down to catch her plane). Walked past I don't know how many LEO's, a few TSA's, and never had any of them even bat an eye.
So, either you are too full of yourself (like a few TSA folks I've met), or all of the other people that work there are incompetent. Which is it?
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:26 am |
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Rick:
Thank you for the excellent, informative post. Too bad Fishy is no longer here to get educated. I wonder if someone could track him/her down and let him/her know what the real scoop is?
I guess I must look pretty unremarkable, since none of your fine officers have ever even given me a funny look, much less approached me for a conversation. Perhaps the next time I'm at Sky Harbor I'll try to look you up for a conversation. :-)
Thanks again.
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impulse418
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 04:45 pm |
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TSA is a joke. I would rather have the boyscouts in their positions.
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 07:13 pm |
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| Don't insult the Boy Scouts.... those kids are both professional and competent.
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impulse418
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 06:10 am |
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You proved my point. I'm not insulting them. 
Count wrote: Don't insult the Boy Scouts.... those kids are both professional and competent.
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 03:56 pm |
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As soon as someone (Goldfish) gets into name calling; it is because, in fact, his position is indefensable.
I am a retired FLEO, no I can't cite statute without doing a bunch of research I don't want to ever see again. I'd like to make a couple of points based on 30+ yrs in enforcement/intel. Most public airports are city or county owned. I have carried openly in/out of Sky Harbor at least 100 times in the last three years. I obviously never tried to enter a secure area or checkpoint, but I've only had one comment & it was from a LEO admiring my holster.
For what it is worth.
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 03:58 pm |
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| Thank You, Count! May it now RIP
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 04:05 pm |
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Pave Pusher:
Thanks for that clarification as written by Mr. G. It was extremely well presented and it should put a halt to the verbal jousting.
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 04:17 pm |
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Shucks, don't thank me, thank RickG. I just quoted someone smarter and more verbally gifted than me (story of my life, sigh...).
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 04:17 pm |
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Shucks, don't thank me, thank RickG. I just quoted someone smarter and more verbally gifted than me (story of my life, sigh...).
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| Uh-oh, the SQL error is back... I'm off to alert the Mods...
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