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crtbc
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 05:24 pm |
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I have to pick up a friend at the airport and was wonderinif it was legal to OC... obviously not going past the security point but baggage claim etc etc
Thanks
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lostone1413
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 07:32 pm |
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Yep I've open carrried at Sky Harbor The only thing is you have to stay behind the metal detectors. 100% legal last time I was their that being about 6mo ago
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dreamcro
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 12:45 am |
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| Do it all the time when I go and pick up Mom when she visits the kids. I get some retarded looks though.
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Obe
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 03:36 am |
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Awesome. I plan on surprising my mom when she comes to visit me. 
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Michigander
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 11:56 pm |
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Obe wrote: Awesome. I plan on surprising my mom when she comes to visit me.
Me too.
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NavyLT
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 03:48 pm |
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Michigander wrote:
Me too.
That's just wrong. Is that a pistol in your pocket or......
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goldfishcb
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:09 am |
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As a TSA employee, I can tell you that packing on airport grounds unless under orders by the military, an FFDO, Federal Officer/Agent/Air Marshal an armored car employee, or a LEO you CAN NOT carry in Sky Harbor international airport on any part of the property. This is specificly prohibited.
If you try to take it past the Security Checkpoint you just commited a huge felony. And saying you forgot, or your wife put it there isnt' an excuse. I guarentee you that you will miss your flight and not be happy.
Last edited on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:14 am by goldfishcb
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mzbk2l
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 01:33 pm |
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Welcome, GoldfishCB.
Unless there's been a new law passed recently, I don't believe you are correct. Firearms are allowed on the non-secure side of the checkpoint. Always have been.
Do you have a cite to a law that states otherwise?
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goldfishcb
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 03:11 pm |
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The way it works is.. Obviously people fly with guns (checked baggage). They have to enter the airport property with the firearm in a Hard Sided, Locked case. In sky harbor, it's posted at nearly every entrance that weapons are not allowed on the grounds (in a concealed/open carry capacity.)
Because the Airport is occupied with hundreds of federal employees, it's safe to say it's a federal facility. FAA, TSA, CBP employees are regular employees here. As we all know, packing in a federal building is a no no..
According to [CITE: 18USC930]
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+18USC930
(1) The term ``Federal facility'' means a building or part
thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal
employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their
official duties.
(2) The term ``dangerous weapon'' means a weapon, device,
instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is
used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily
injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a
blade of less than 21/2 inches in length.
Last edited on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 03:12 pm by goldfishcb
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ScottyT
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 04:06 pm |
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If there are in fact signs at Sky Harbor prohibiting firearms from the entire building, you guys should do something to get them removed!
SGT Jensen and his wife recently got the signs at the SLC International Airport removed, since the ticket counters and baggage claim are not secured areas. I picked up a friend a couple weeks ago, OCing into the baggage claim and nothing happened.
Airports are NOT federal buildings, and the mere presence of federal employees does not make it so.
The term ``Federal facility'' means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, ______ where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
Notice there is no "or" where I marked with the red line...
As long as AZ law does not mention Airports (it should only mention secured areas) you should be good to go.
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goldfishcb
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 05:51 pm |
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ScottyT wrote: If there are in fact signs at Sky Harbor prohibiting firearms from the entire building, you guys should do something to get them removed!
SGT Jensen and his wife recently got the signs at the SLC International Airport removed, since the ticket counters and baggage claim are not secured areas. I picked up a friend a couple weeks ago, OCing into the baggage claim and nothing happened.
Airports are NOT federal buildings, and the mere presence of federal employees does not make it so.
The term ``Federal facility'' means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, ______ where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
Notice there is no "or" where I marked with the red line...
As long as AZ law does not mention Airports (it should only mention secured areas) you should be good to go.
The TSA, Phoenix Police Dept, the FAA, the CPB, and Federal Air Marshalls all lease break rooms and offices at the airport along with a few other federal agencies.
The word OR doens't need to be there in that case.
It's against federal law, a federal law which I enforce as well as the police officers in the airport bureau at sky harbor. If you come packing into Sky Harbor, and a police officer sees you doing it you will be detained and questioned. I promise.
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jaredbelch
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 06:06 pm |
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goldfishcb wrote: ScottyT wrote: If there are in fact signs at Sky Harbor prohibiting firearms from the entire building, you guys should do something to get them removed!
SGT Jensen and his wife recently got the signs at the SLC International Airport removed, since the ticket counters and baggage claim are not secured areas. I picked up a friend a couple weeks ago, OCing into the baggage claim and nothing happened.
Airports are NOT federal buildings, and the mere presence of federal employees does not make it so.
The term ``Federal facility'' means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, ______ where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
Notice there is no "or" where I marked with the red line...
As long as AZ law does not mention Airports (it should only mention secured areas) you should be good to go.
The TSA, Phoenix Police Dept, the FAA, the CPB, and Federal Air Marshalls all lease break rooms and offices at the airport along with a few other federal agencies.
The word OR doens't need to be there in that case.
It's against federal law, a federal law which I enforce as well as the police officers in the airport bureau at sky harbor. If you come packing into Sky Harbor, and a police officer sees you doing it you will be detained and questioned. I promise.
Great then we won't go into the break rooms, and offices....
In SLC the city owns and operates the building, allowing the feds to occupy some space because of the federal laws regarding air traffic... The rest of the space is NOT considered a federal building.
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goldfishcb
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 06:12 pm |
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jaredbelch wrote: goldfishcb wrote: ScottyT wrote: If there are in fact signs at Sky Harbor prohibiting firearms from the entire building, you guys should do something to get them removed!
SGT Jensen and his wife recently got the signs at the SLC International Airport removed, since the ticket counters and baggage claim are not secured areas. I picked up a friend a couple weeks ago, OCing into the baggage claim and nothing happened.
Airports are NOT federal buildings, and the mere presence of federal employees does not make it so.
The term ``Federal facility'' means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, ______ where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
Notice there is no "or" where I marked with the red line...
As long as AZ law does not mention Airports (it should only mention secured areas) you should be good to go.
The TSA, Phoenix Police Dept, the FAA, the CPB, and Federal Air Marshalls all lease break rooms and offices at the airport along with a few other federal agencies.
The word OR doens't need to be there in that case.
It's against federal law, a federal law which I enforce as well as the police officers in the airport bureau at sky harbor. If you come packing into Sky Harbor, and a police officer sees you doing it you will be detained and questioned. I promise.
Great then we won't go into the break rooms, and offices....
In SLC the city owns and operates the building, allowing the feds to occupy some space because of the federal laws regarding air traffic... The rest of the space is NOT considered a federal building.
I didn't mention Salt Lake City, nor do I care about it. SLC is not the topic of discussion. This is the ARIZONA section of the forum.
It's this simple.. Carry into Sky Harbor and you will be arrested. Ontop of that, Behavior Detection Officers roam the entire airport.. That makes it federal. Don't test this, I promise you wont like the outcome.
You don't need a gun in an airport, there are PLENTY of Phoenix pd and other Federal Officers that would love the oppertunity to take someone out.
Last edited on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 06:15 pm by goldfishcb
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ScottyT
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 06:29 pm |
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goldfishcb wrote:
I didn't mention Salt Lake City, nor do I care about it. SLC is not the topic of discussion. This is the ARIZONA section of the forum.
It's this simple.. Carry into Sky Harbor and you will be arrested. Ontop of that, Behavior Detection Officers roam the entire airport.. That makes it federal. Don't test this, I promise you wont like the outcome.
You don't need a gun in an airport, there are PLENTY of Phoenix pd and other Federal Officers that would love the oppertunity to take someone out.
I realize this is the Arizona section. The SLC International Airport and the Sky Harbor airports are similar in that they are BOTH owned by the city. Sky Harbor was purchased by the city of Phoenix in 1935. So again, unless it is prohibited by Arizona State Law or an ordinance of the City of Poenix (but you guys have state preemption, right?), IT IS NOT ILLEGAL to carry on the UNsecured side of the security checkpoint.
I was merely pointing out that you are WRONG, and I don't need to live in arizona to comment on Federal Law. IT IS NOT A FEDERAL BUILDING, even if a few rooms are, that doesn't make the whole building Federal property. Many people have OCd there without incident and as long as they stay out of those break rooms and offices, they are good to go (again, based on Arizona State law).
But thanks anyway for doing your part to promote the police state...
Last edited on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 06:29 pm by ScottyT
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jaredbelch
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 06:40 pm |
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Edit: Wow Scotty, you beat me to it by a lot... I gotta learn to refresh...
My comments in blue
goldfishcb wrote:I didn't mention Salt Lake City, nor do I care about it. SLC is not the topic of discussion. This is the ARIZONA section of the forum.
Your right this is an Arizona topic, but I found it prudent to share a similar situation in Utah. (This is what lawyers and courts do when there is no case law from their own state... They look to other states for similar circumstances.)
It's this simple.. Carry into Sky Harbor and you will be arrested.
TSA has no arresting powers, so I'd like to see how you can make such a promise...
Ontop of that, Behavior Detection Officers roam the entire airport.. That makes it federal. Don't test this, I promise you wont like the outcome.
So by your logic (in bold) anywhere a federal officer "roams" is a federal area: I'm confused... Federal officers roam my local grocery store, does that make it a federal building? Federal officers rent apartments, does that make the complex a federal facility?
You are stretching the laws to your liking, and as you already admitted, you and your friends are looking for an opportunity to "take someone out".
You don't need a gun in an airport, there are PLENTY of Phoenix pd and other Federal Officers that would love the oppertunity to take someone out.
I do need a gun everywhere I go, and I'll be darned if a TSA agent is going to tell me I don't!
Last edited on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 06:50 pm by jaredbelch
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goldfishcb
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:09 pm |
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jaredbelch wrote: Edit: Wow Scotty, you beat me to it by a lot... I gotta learn to refresh...
My comments in blue
goldfishcb wrote:I didn't mention Salt Lake City, nor do I care about it. SLC is not the topic of discussion. This is the ARIZONA section of the forum.
Your right this is an Arizona topic, but I found it prudent to share a similar situation in Utah. (This is what lawyers and courts do when there is no case law from their own state... They look to other states for similar circumstances.)
It's this simple.. Carry into Sky Harbor and you will be arrested.
TSA has no arresting powers, so I'd like to see how you can make such a promise...
Ontop of that, Behavior Detection Officers roam the entire airport.. That makes it federal. Don't test this, I promise you wont like the outcome.
So by your logic (in bold) anywhere a federal officer "roams" is a federal area: I'm confused... Federal officers roam my local grocery store, does that make it a federal building? Federal officers rent apartments, does that make the complex a federal facility?
You are stretching the laws to your liking, and as you already admitted, you and your friends are looking for an opportunity to "take someone out".
You don't need a gun in an airport, there are PLENTY of Phoenix pd and other Federal Officers that would love the oppertunity to take someone out.
I do need a gun everywhere I go, and I'll be darned if a TSA agent is going to tell me I don't!
The TSA does infact have arresting powers.. Ever heard of a Federal Air Marshal? Under AATSA, they can arrest you under pure suspicion
Federal Officers don't roam the grocery store in a job related capacity where they perform their duties.
I am not looking to take anyone out, I can't speak for my friends. The TSA doens't have to arrest you, the Phoenix PD will though.
If you seriously think I am lying, then go into Sky harbor packing and walk up to a cop and strike up a conversation.. Then post his name and badge number on the forum with a physical description and ill talk to him about what local jail you are in
Now that I have joined this forum and seen the kinds of morons that frequent it I will not be coming back. Please remove my username and ban my IP address from the domain so I can't accidentally come back.
Goodbye, idiots.. @#$%ing morons.
Last edited on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:13 pm by goldfishcb
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ScottyT
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:15 pm |
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Goldfish: You have done a very good job in showing that you don't have a rational or law-based leg to stand on and so you have to resort to threats. Typical police state gov't employee.
Americans: 3 Communist fishy: 0
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jaredbelch
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 07:36 pm |
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goldfishcb wrote:
The TSA does infact have arresting powers.. Ever heard of a Federal Air Marshal? Under AATSA, they can arrest you under pure suspicion
So which is it?
goldfishcb wrote:
We couldn't do our jobs without LEO support. TSO's (Transportation Security Officers) are indeed law enforcement. We are 1801 Series Federal Officers (Same as FBI, Border patrol, ICE, and CPB Agents.)
Fact is, we are Federal Officers without powers of arrest. Thats what cops are for.
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Notso
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 10:26 pm |
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I believe Sky Harbor is owned by the city. As a matter of fact, right now, it's not illegal to have a firearm behind the security area, I believe the illegality is a firearm passing through the TSA security. Just this year, the state legislature has passed a law and I believe the governor has already signed it, to make it illegal to have a gun in the secure area. I was at the legislative meeting where all this was discussed. Had to do with contractors bringing firearms in through the other gates that are not controlled by the Feds and previously all security could do was to ask them to remove it.
Also, I've never seen a firearms sign posted other than those warning about the secure area.
Last edited on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 10:38 pm by Notso
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