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Dahwg
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 06:13 pm |
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Here's the AZCDL alert I received from azcdlfred:
SB 1070, the AzCDL-requested bill that makes it easier for lawful gun owners who have satisfactorily completed training to obtain a permit, or renew an expired one, was signed by the Governor on Tuesday, June 10, 2008.
SB 1070 makes changes to ARS 13-3112 regarding the process for obtaining a concealed weapons permit. It provides that if an applicant has adequate documentation that they satisfactorily completed the required firearms safety training, they have met the training requirement for a permit. Current law (ARS 13-3112.E.6) does not place any time limit on when a person must complete training. However, the Department of Public Safety (DPS) has established arbitrary dates for training validation. In 2007, DPS stated that training must occur within 12 months of an application. Prior to 2007, DPS set this period to be only 6 months. Once a person has obtained a permit, the initial training is good as long as a permit holder submits timely renewals. The language in SB 1070 recognizes that the training has no expiration date, and aligns the initial permit requirements with the permit renewal requirements.
When SB 1070 becomes law later this year, and you are one of the many gun owners who let their CCW permits expire because of the onerous pre-2006 renewal requirements (eliminated thanks to AzCDL requested bills), you will be able to renew your expired permit without having to start over, as long as you still have your expired permit or can show proof that you completed training with the last 5 years. The same law applies to those who took their CCW training within the last 5 years but never followed through to obtain a permit.
SB 1070 also codifies a DPS Administrative Rule that National Rifle Association (NRA) certified instructors meet the eligibility requirements for DPS certification. It allows that training can be conducted by NRA certified pistol and personal protection instructors, as well as DPS certified instructors.
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BobCav
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 06:20 pm |
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Great news and a step forward!
Funny how they'll accept training from the NRA, but not from prior military service. Perhaps they should let the NRA defend them?
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lostone1413
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 10:50 pm |
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We should be like Alaska or Vermont were you don't even need a permit. If we had a Pro Gun Gov instead of one from New York it would be that way in Arizona
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whiskaz_55
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 06:57 am |
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To bad she didn't sign the other half dozen pro rights bills that were passed by the house and senate. Oh well, I'll still take the win.
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azcdlfred
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 04:20 pm |
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BobCav wrote: Great news and a step forward!
Funny how they'll accept training from the NRA, but not from prior military service. Perhaps they should let the NRA defend them?
I'm the guy behind the language in SB 1070. The NRA Instructor bit merely codified an Administrative rule of DPS. Same with ability to renew expired permits. NOTHING in the existing law sets a shelf-life on training, but the law alllows DPS to legislate via administrative fiat. It takes statutory language to put limits on that.
Subsituting a DD214 for most of the training is something I'd like to see. We tried it a couple of years ago and the bill was still-born. Change takes time. The court decision to ban CCW was in 1990. The CCW law was passed in 1994, then over a decade of "gun-rights" apathy occured. Overcoming that takes a slow and steady approach.
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azcdlfred
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 04:24 pm |
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lostone1413 wrote: We should be like Alaska or Vermont were you don't even need a permit. If we had a Pro Gun Gov instead of one from New York it would be that way in Arizona
It's AzCDL's #1 goal.
But, it takes a slow and steady approach and tons of support from gun owners. The bigger AzCDL is, the more clout we have. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem. Sitting on the side-lines is the same as supporting the anti-gunners.
Join!
Fred
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azcdlfred
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 04:26 pm |
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whiskaz_55 wrote: To bad she didn't sign the other half dozen pro rights bills that were passed by the house and senate. Oh well, I'll still take the win.
Don't worry, we'll have those bills on her desk next year 
Meanwhile, we're exposing her true feelings about gun owners. You'd be surprised at the number of people on this forum that probably voted for Janet believing she was pro-gun.
Fred
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Dahwg
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 04:32 pm |
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azcdlfred wrote: whiskaz_55 wrote: To bad she didn't sign the other half dozen pro rights bills that were passed by the house and senate. Oh well, I'll still take the win.
Don't worry, we'll have those bills on her desk next year
Meanwhile, we're exposing her true feelings about gun owners. You'd be surprised at the number of people on this forum that probably voted for Janet believing she was pro-gun.
Fred
Fortunately for us, she's term-limited. And unfortunately for her, she aspires to the potential vacancy in the senate were McCain to become President. I think the gun-owners in this state will remember all the times she showed her true colors. 
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mzbk2l
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 01:03 pm |
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Dahwg wrote: Fortunately for us, she's term-limited. And unfortunately for her, she aspires to the potential vacancy in the senate were McCain to become President. I think the gun-owners in this state will remember all the times she showed her true colors.
Unfortunately for us, she just vetoed another good bill. Here's the link to her veto letter on HB2389, which would have clarified the currently unclear standards on whether you are concealing a weapon by wearing it in a vehicle.
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/070708_HB2389%20Veto%20Letter.pdf
I'll be so glad when she's gone.
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Notso
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 01:41 pm |
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| It's funny, in Texas your handgun in the vehicle must be concealed(regardless of CCW status), here, it must be in the open(unless you have a CCW). Shows how screwed up legislators and governors can be. Last edited on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 01:42 pm by Notso
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p19768
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 01:35 am |
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I was amazed at the number of bills in this year's legislative session dealing with gun control! As a result I just bought a life membership to AzCDL ! We need to lobby AZ legislature continually!
Gary
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azcdlfred
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 02:54 pm |
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p19768 wrote: I was amazed at the number of bills in this year's legislative session dealing with gun control! As a result I just bought a life membership to AzCDL !
Gary - I'm the AzCDL Treasurer and turned on my PC a few minutes ago and spotted your life membership. Thank you for your generous donation! We intend on giving you, and all members, a big return on your invenstment in the form of hard core legsiative activism. Welcome aboard!
Fred
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lostone1413
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 05:43 pm |
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Tp19768 wrote: I was amazed at the number of bills in this year's legislative session dealing with gun control! As a result I just bought a life membership to AzCDL ! We need to lobby AZ legislature continually!
Gary
That is because of all the people moving into AZ from Ca,Illinois, and the East Coast.
Guess they wern't happy in the states they come from but t hey won't be happy untill they make Arizona like the state that they left. Then people in AZ worry about the illegals. Heck the people from out of state moving into Arizona are a way biiger threat to the way of life we have then the illegals
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bobernet
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 06:18 pm |
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lostone1413 wrote: Tp19768 wrote: I was amazed at the number of bills in this year's legislative session dealing with gun control! As a result I just bought a life membership to AzCDL ! We need to lobby AZ legislature continually!
Gary
That is because of all the people moving into AZ from Ca,Illinois, and the East Coast.
Guess they wern't happy in the states they come from but t hey won't be happy untill they make Arizona like the state that they left. Then people in AZ worry about the illegals. Heck the people from out of state moving into Arizona are a way biiger threat to the way of life we have then the illegals
We hear that logic in Nevada a lot too. The truth is that the big majority of pro-gun and pro-liberty activists that I know in Nevada are not native-born. I doubt it would be a stretch to assume the same might be true in Arizona.
There are quite enough native-born leftists without the need to blame everyone from another state.
FWIW, a lot of folks migrating to the Mountain West from commie-controlled states are doing so because their "home" state is a cesspool. I'm a native Californian living in Nevada. My involvement here speaks for itself.
Good luck in AZ. I visit a lot and would love to see you all make progress. As a favor to a neighbor, please work on the stupid ban against guns where alcohol is served. :-)
We'll keep pushing for AZ reciprocity on this end.
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azcdlfred
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 06:43 pm |
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bobernet wrote: We hear that logic in Nevada a lot too. The truth is that the big majority of pro-gun and pro-liberty activists that I know in Nevada are not native-born. I doubt it would be a stretch to assume the same might be true in Arizona.
None of the directors or officers of AzCDL are native Arizonans. We all moved here from somewhere else. Three are from New York.
I lived in Northern Virginia (and worked in Washington, DC) for 15 years prior to retiring in AZ. After being appalled at the LOSS of RKBA in AZ compared to what I had in VA, I helped create AzCDL.
The loss of RKBA in AZ has been like the example of slowing boiling a frog. Many who have lived here a long time tend to think it's still like the olden times before the state became the western suburbs of California. Not all of us making AZ our new home are gun-grabbers. Many of us moving here seeking freedom and work to make AZ even more free.
Fred
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AZkopper
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 08:06 pm |
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AZCDLFred,
This may not be the right place for this, but does AZCDL have any feeling on canidate Steve Pierce for LD1? I ask because his website and pamphlets are suspiciously quiet on RKBA issues. I've emailed him twice, asking for his positions on gun rights and the numerous gun rights bills AZCDL supported last session. So far he has not answered me.
I'm not inclined to support him because of this. Do you have any additional information.
Thanks
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p19768
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 08:31 pm |
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Bobernet, Thanx for supporting reciprosity with AZ. I contacted a pro-gun rights AZ legislator about this. The response was that NV must decide whether or not to grant reciprosity. Please write your state legislators! 
Gary
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azcdlfred
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 08:59 pm |
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AZkopper wrote: This may not be the right place for this, but does AZCDL have any feeling on canidate Steve Pierce for LD1? I ask because his website and pamphlets are suspiciously quiet on RKBA issues. I've emailed him twice, asking for his positions on gun rights and the numerous gun rights bills AZCDL supported last session. So far he has not answered me. I'm not inclined to support him because of this. Do you have any additional information.
Our non-profit status prevents us from endorsing (or opposing) individual candidates.
On thing we can and want to do is get out candidate questionnaires and post the responses on our website. We're not there yet. I'll pass this on to Dave Kopp our president.
Fred
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azcdlfred
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 09:12 pm |
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p19768 wrote: Bobernet, Thanx for supporting reciprosity with AZ. I contacted a pro-gun rights AZ legislator about this. The response was that NV must decide whether or not to grant reciprosity. Please write your state legislators!
Two years ago, AzCDL got legislation passed and signed that requires AZ to honor CCW permits from all other states.
The burden of AZ permit recognition is on NV but AZ DPS plays "the" role in cooperating with NV requirements to get recognized by NV.
Fred
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 09:28 pm |
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Fred,
I understand the need to not endorse or oppose candidates, but does that include providing a listing of how each of the candidates have voted on bills that concern RKBA?
I'm a new member also, as well as a recent transplant to AZ (came from CO but lived in NM for a while too), and I honestly don't have much knoweldge of the background of politicians around here, and I want to make informed decisions in November. Also in CO, you get to vote to decide whether or not judges get to keep their jobs. If there is something similar here, I'd definitely be interested in how each of those judges rules on cases that pertained to the RKBA.
I don't need any organization to tell me who to vote for, but some information on how a candidate REALLY views the 2nd Amendment, and not just their canned policy statement about it, would be mighty helpful.
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