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TylerEMT
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 03:36 am |
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My tail light when out again (I think its got to be the fuse) and I got pulled over by a Northern Arizona University cop ( I wasn't on campus so it was ok to have my gun). You could tell he didn't deal with people with guns very often seeing as he's a campus cop. I told him I was armed, he wanted to know what and where. I told him it was on my hip. He said ok, would you mind taking your seat belt off and stepping out just while we do our business? I told him that was fine. Before I reached for my seat belt I let him know I was reaching by the gun to undo my seat belt. He watched me unbuckle and I stepped out. He asked if I had a round in the chamber, i told him I did. He played a little back and forth in his head then decided to have me take the gun out with two fingers and lay it on my seat. He then told me I had a tail light out and he'd just write me a warning and I'd be on my way. He then seemed a little nervous when he realised he was leaving me near the gun to go back to his car and asked if I wouldn't mind letting him hold it while he finished up. I was fine with that. He came back gave me a warning and let me have the gun back. He let me holster it right in front of him. We talked guns for 10 minutes or so, then we were on our way.
All and all, for being disarmed it was actually probably the best stop I've ever been on that end of. I was able to talk guns for a bit and it was mildly entertaining watching someone who was obviously a gun lover try to figure out how to handle a teenager he didn't know with a gun.
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MarlboroLts5150
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 04:18 am |
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TylerEMT wrote: My tail light when out again (I think its got to be the fuse) and I got pulled over by a Northern Arizona University cop ( I wasn't on campus so it was ok to have my gun). You could tell he didn't deal with people with guns very often seeing as he's a campus cop. I told him I was armed, he wanted to know what and where. I told him it was on my hip. He said ok, would you mind taking your seat belt off and stepping out just while we do our business? I told him that was fine. Before I reached for my seat belt I let him know I was reaching by the gun to undo my seat belt. He watched me unbuckle and I stepped out. He asked if I had a round in the chamber, i told him I did. He played a little back and forth in his head then decided to have me take the gun out with two fingers and lay it on my seat. He then told me I had a tail light out and he'd just write me a warning and I'd be on my way. He then seemed a little nervous when he realised he was leaving me near the gun to go back to his car and asked if I wouldn't mind letting him hold it while he finished up. I was fine with that. He came back gave me a warning and let me have the gun back. He let me holster it right in front of him. We talked guns for 10 minutes or so, then we were on our way.
All and all, for being disarmed it was actually probably the best stop I've ever been on that end of. I was able to talk guns for a bit and it was mildly entertaining watching someone who was obviously a gun lover try to figure out how to handle a teenager he didn't know with a gun.
Just a quick question......You stated you Weren't on campus. Were you on University property? If not, what authority did he have to pull you over in the first place? His authority stops at the property line.
And, according to your post, YOU disarmed yourself at his request. He did NOT disarm you. There is a difference.
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TylerEMT
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 04:25 am |
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| I was actually about 2 miles from campus... I don't think jurisdiction is really that big a deal among the police agencies in this area. Everyone seems to really get along. I see county, city, and state pulling over people all over the place. He's still an Arizona POST certified police officer and has the authority to conduct traffic stops when he sees an offence. I think they have take home cars, so he was probably on his way home. I guess I did disarm myself... I don't know what he would have done if I refused, not that I would ever try...
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AZkopper
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 04:38 am |
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MarlboroLts5150 wrote:
Just a quick question......You stated you Weren't on campus. Were you on University property? If not, what authority did he have to pull you over in the first place? His authority stops at the property line.
And, according to your post, YOU disarmed yourself at his request. He did NOT disarm you. There is a difference.
He is certified by the State of Arizona as an Arizona Certified Peace Officer. He can enforce AZ laws throughut the state. Now, you are right, his area of responsibility and concern is the NAU campus.
The School Copper sounds like he was either a) really new, or b) just really sheltered and inexperienced due to his job assignment. He did not have any clue how to handle an armed citizen. At least it ended up rather cordial. At least, with your cooperation, maybe he learned something and will 'do better' next time.
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MarlboroLts5150
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 05:18 am |
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AZkopper wrote:
At least it ended up rather cordial. At least, with your cooperation, maybe he learned something and will 'do better' next time.
True that.
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MarlboroLts5150
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 05:20 am |
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TylerEMT wrote: I was actually about 2 miles from campus... I don't think jurisdiction is really that big a deal among the police agencies in this area. Everyone seems to really get along. I see county, city, and state pulling over people all over the place. He's still an Arizona POST certified police officer and has the authority to conduct traffic stops when he sees an offence. I think they have take home cars, so he was probably on his way home. I guess I did disarm myself... I don't know what he would have done if I refused, not that I would ever try...
Valid point....didn't think of that when I read the origional post.
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smoking357
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 01:48 pm |
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AZkopper wrote: He is certified by the State of Arizona as an Arizona Certified Peace Officer. He can enforce AZ laws throughut the state.
If he were hired by another department, sure. Campus cops typically have jurisdiction only on campus and for one block outside of campus.
He can't drive down to Tucson and start enforcing traffic laws.
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Notso
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 05:17 pm |
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| Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place?
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lostone1413
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 06:41 pm |
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Notso wrote: Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place?
That is a very very good question I for one say nothing never have never will
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ccwinstructor
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 01:15 am |
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lostone1413 wrote: Notso wrote: Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place?
That is a very very good question I for one say nothing never have never will
He was carrying openly. If I thought an officer would observe that I were carrying, and I carry openly a good bit, I would inform him of the fact that I was armed as a courtesy and to prevent surprise.
I have gone both ways on this. It depends on the circumstances. Several states, such as Texas and Utah, require that you inform the officers that you are armed if you are carrying a concealed firearm.
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JoeSparky
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 02:21 am |
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ccwinstructor wrote: lostone1413 wrote: Notso wrote: Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place?
That is a very very good question I for one say nothing never have never will
He was carrying openly. If I thought an officer would observe that I were carrying, and I carry openly a good bit, I would inform him of the fact that I was armed as a courtesy and to prevent surprise.
I have gone both ways on this. It depends on the circumstances. Several states, such as Texas and Utah, require that you inform the officers that you are armed if you are carrying a concealed firearm.
Utah DOES NOT require one to inform and has not for at least a full year. Utah also allows CC Permit holds to carry on campus of ANY state school, that is K-College. Utah also has no concealed requirement.... the permit mearly ALLOWS one to conceal-- it does not require it.
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N00blet45
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 03:35 am |
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At least everyone went home without being put in hand cuffs and without physical injury. What more could you ask for?
I wonder what he would have done if you refused to disarm yourself. Would he have had legal authority to force you to comply? I wouldn't take offense to him stopping me to let me know that my tail light was out but I would question whether he had the authority to officially do so. Since it most likely wasn't an authorized stop he wouldn't have any legal authority to disarm you.
I don't know the laws of Arizona so I may be mistaken.
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AZkopper
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 04:09 am |
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N00blet45 wrote: At least everyone went home without being put in hand cuffs and without physical injury. What more could you ask for?
I wonder what he would have done if you refused to disarm yourself. Would he have had legal authority to force you to comply? I wouldn't take offense to him stopping me to let me know that my tail light was out but I would question whether he had the authority to officially do so. Since it most likely wasn't an authorized stop he wouldn't have any legal authority to disarm you.
I don't know the laws of Arizona so I may be mistaken.
Again, he is a certified law enforcement officer in the State of Arizona. He has the authority to stop you, whether he is on the NAU campus, or driving through Yuma on the way to a training class. I know what I speak of on this, lets please drop this angle.
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ccwinstructor
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 04:16 am |
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JoeSparky wrote: ccwinstructor wrote: lostone1413 wrote: Notso wrote: Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place?
That is a very very good question I for one say nothing never have never will
He was carrying openly. If I thought an officer would observe that I were carrying, and I carry openly a good bit, I would inform him of the fact that I was armed as a courtesy and to prevent surprise.
I have gone both ways on this. It depends on the circumstances. Several states, such as Texas and Utah, require that you inform the officers that you are armed if you are carrying a concealed firearm.
Utah DOES NOT require one to inform and has not for at least a full year. Utah also allows CC Permit holds to carry on campus of ANY state school, that is K-College. Utah also has no concealed requirement.... the permit mearly ALLOWS one to conceal-- it does not require it.
Glad to hear it. It is hard to keep up with all the changes in the law. It is good that most of them are in the right direction for a change (with regards to carry of firearms).
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GWbiker
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 04:59 am |
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AZkopper wrote: N00blet45 wrote: At least everyone went home without being put in hand cuffs and without physical injury. What more could you ask for?
I wonder what he would have done if you refused to disarm yourself. Would he have had legal authority to force you to comply? I wouldn't take offense to him stopping me to let me know that my tail light was out but I would question whether he had the authority to officially do so. Since it most likely wasn't an authorized stop he wouldn't have any legal authority to disarm you.
I don't know the laws of Arizona so I may be mistaken.
Again, he is a certified law enforcement officer in the State of Arizona. He has the authority to stop you, whether he is on the NAU campus, or driving through Yuma on the way to a training class. I know what I speak of on this, lets please drop this angle.
I believe this link will help clear up everything.....
https://www4.nau.edu/police/Mission_Statement.htm#authority
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ixtow
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 06:56 am |
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What would have happened had you refused?
You were rewarded for giving up your rights, and would most likely have been punished for asserting them.
It is merely an assumption, but an educated one, that you would not have gotten a warning, but a citation.
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N00blet45
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 07:06 am |
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GWbiker wrote: I believe this link will help clear up everything.....
https://www4.nau.edu/police/Mission_Statement.htm#authority
My previous argument regarding authority for a stop is now void of a valid point. Thanks for the link.
No one ever said that expressing your rights would be convenient.
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rolexbenz190e
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 07:35 am |
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rolexbenz190e
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 07:36 am |
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This is a little off topic... But I thought I was the only OC forum member up here in Flagstaff!!!! I'm glad to know I'm not the only one  
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smoking357
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 02:52 pm |
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Notso wrote: Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place?
Bingo.
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