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chesphoto
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 05:09 am |
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Sure, there are some bad cops, but most are very good and pro 2nd amendment.
They have a tough job, one that I know that I would not want to do.
Realizing this, I would definitely inform them that I am carrying, so they know that this is one stop that their life is not in danger. Like I said, tough job.
For the record, my son's best friend dad is a cop. He was nice enough to take me and my son out shooting. Because of his kindness, we have another pro 2nd amendment citizen. His son is going to NAU and wants to be a cop like his dad. Of all my son's friends, he is the most level headed, pro 2nd amendment kids that I know. He has told me that all of his dad's cop friends are huge 2nd amendment proponents.
I think that we are lucky to be living in Arizona.
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irish
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 06:20 am |
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| Just a quick thought... I believe you are better off having the officer disarm you if that's the way the stop is going to go. Obviously he's nervous that you're armed so you pulling your gun out of his holster will only add to that apprehension, at least in my mind. It also gives him an out if things were to go bad... "the guy was pulling his gun..." so I shot him. Good to hear things went well, just trying to provide some food for thought.
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ALL 4 NO CCW!
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 09:52 am |
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march 31 st I was cc with no ccw and I was disarmed by a cop leaving the renaissance festival.some guy with a badge(the cop) walked up to me and my family just steps from the exit and pulled my shirt up and snagged my brand new springfield XD40 and slammed me to the wall and put me in handcuffs. all this infront of my 2 year old son and my friends 6 year old. I ask whats going on they respond with, we had many complaints over the day from workers I said theres no way, u just happened to see it pokeing out for a sec. on the way out,he said nothing. I had no issues all day till this happened and this is a big issue that a man can put his hands on another man and take his firearm and keep it and u cant call the police cause there behind it.I was just shot back in jan. of this year by a few guys drunk in a parking lot all over a parking space in glendale never would I think that would happen to me,so now I allways oc and sometimes cc and this will never change! I urge u to do the same, despite the laws!
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Racer X
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:20 am |
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ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: march 31 st I was cc with no ccw
We don't support criminals on this site. This is a forum for law abiding citizens.
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irish
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 01:35 pm |
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Racer X wrote: ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: march 31 st I was cc with no ccw
We don't support criminals on this site. This is a forum for law abiding citizens.
And you'd know Captain 5 post. Get all the facts before you pass judgment.
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Crossfire Jedi
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 03:52 pm |
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Why do you refuse to get a CCW? Is it the idea you have to get something to make it legal to conceal? Why would you urge someone, as you stated below, to do something that is against the law, even if you don't agree with the law?
ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote:
march 31 st I was cc with no ccw and I was disarmed by a cop leaving the renaissance festival.some guy with a badge(the cop) walked up to me and my family just steps from the exit and pulled my shirt up and snagged my brand new springfield XD40 and slammed me to the wall and put me in handcuffs. all this infront of my 2 year old son and my friends 6 year old. I ask whats going on they respond with, we had many complaints over the day from workers I said theres no way, u just happened to see it pokeing out for a sec. on the way out,he said nothing. I had no issues all day till this happened and this is a big issue that a man can put his hands on another man and take his firearm and keep it and u cant call the police cause there behind it.I was just shot back in jan. of this year by a few guys drunk in a parking lot all over a parking space in glendale never would I think that would happen to me,so now I allways oc and sometimes cc and this will never change! I urge u to do the same, despite the laws!
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TOF
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 05:04 pm |
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irish wrote: Racer X wrote: ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: march 31 st I was cc with no ccw
We don't support criminals on this site. This is a forum for law abiding citizens.
And you'd know Captain 5 post. Get all the facts before you pass judgment.
And Captain 91 posts, what is the additional information that makes breaking the law the thing to do?
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Racer X
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 05:58 pm |
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Law enforcement only needs to get one fact straight to prove criminality. One glaring fact was provided in the first sentence. Even a rookie cop who just stepped out of the academy could make that call...I'm not sure what anyone's post count has to do with it. There is a difference between having your rights taken away from you in violation of the law and having your rights taken away from you because you violated the law. Most members here would fall under the former.
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 07:29 pm |
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Sorry, but I have to stand on the side of Racer X, and I myself have very few posts. Not that post count makes someone an authority. It just means they got here first, have more time to post, or possibly like to hear themselves talk. I personally like to hear myself talk.
There are some cases in which you can break the law in order to get the laws changed. Or to get law enforcement to stop enforcing the laws because the general public continues to participate in the crime so often that it becomes accepted behavior, so law-enforcement and public office-holders start to look the other way.
I don't believe that breaking the law on carry is ever going to be a "look the other way" situation. Violating carry laws too closely borders violent crimes and associates otherwise peaceful carriers with the criminals who perform those crimes. As a result, we have too much at risk to try and participate in any form of civil disobedience as part of an effort to liberalize (classical meaning, not Leftist modern meaning) gun laws.
Rather than run around at the Renaissance Festival with guns illegally stuffed down the backs of our pants, we need to have a CCW for that type of carry (until we get Vermont Carry), if the weapon is to be concealed, or simply Open Carry, to remind the citizenry that the Right to Bear Arms is in fact a protected right.
I do not think that we on this forum, or anyone else for that matter, are going to accomplish anything if we are breaking the law in order to make new laws.
The pro-gun lobby (whether concealed or not) is fighting an uphill battle, and at the moment, there are too many in governments across the country who are either fearful of guns, or simply don't understand peacefully carrying gun-owners. Let's not tarnish our image as law-abiding citizens by breaking the laws on the way to changing them.
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 07:52 pm |
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ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: march 31 st I was cc with no ccw and I was disarmed by a cop leaving the renaissance festival.some guy with a badge(the cop) walked up to me and my family just steps from the exit and pulled my shirt up and snagged my brand new springfield XD40 and slammed me to the wall and put me in handcuffs. all this infront of my 2 year old son and my friends 6 year old. I ask whats going on they respond with, we had many complaints over the day from workers I said theres no way, u just happened to see it pokeing out for a sec. on the way out,he said nothing. I had no issues all day till this happened and this is a big issue that a man can put his hands on another man and take his firearm and keep it and u cant call the police cause there behind it.I was just shot back in jan. of this year by a few guys drunk in a parking lot all over a parking space in glendale never would I think that would happen to me,so now I allways oc and sometimes cc and this will never change! I urge u to do the same, despite the laws!
Two things: 1. Was the event premises posted 'No Firearms'?
2. You were carrying concealed w/o a CWP/CCW.
You don't say 'where' this event happened. AZ is a Shall Issue' state regarding CWP. There's no excuse. 'Despite the laws' is what got you locked up and your pistol siezed. Now... you'd prob'ly have a problem obtaining a CWP. You are the cause of your own problem. Don't expect sympathy here.
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 09:35 pm |
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Wow you dont sound very smart to me.I broke no laws and Im not a criminal,he came up from behind me and pulled my shirt up and took my gun, didnt say that he was a cop before he put his hands on me and my weapon, thats dangerous!he didnt give me a ticket or take me to jail nothing,The guy even told his fellow cops right in front of me that my "XD40 was nicer than his glock 9mm".Now 3 months later still no paper work and I call the courts and the station and they dont show anything about me or the case.Thats called stealing last time I checked.You say you dont support breaking laws, do you support stealling just because your a cop? And apparently the cop said there was a sign somewhere in the front but I sure didnt see it.he told me the sign said no weapons, but its funny that people are walking around with 3 ft. swords, hatchetts, ball and chians, big knifes and even bow and arrows. Im pretty sure those are weapons so Im confused and they even sell weapons inside. And no this dosent effect my ccw at all there are no charges with me, just a theft!I support safety for yourself and others you care about and thats why I say everybody who can leagally carry a gun should carry however and wherever you want to! shall I remind you Phx. AZ. is # 2 in the WORLD for kidnaping and ransom!
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TOF
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 09:55 pm |
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| Edit Got sidetracked and screwed up. Forget it Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:26 pm by TOF
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:26 pm |
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Stuck on Stupid. 
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Crossfire Jedi
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:52 pm |
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You are incorrect sir, you have to get a CCW if you plan on carrying a concealed handgun regardless of your or my feelings on that subject. The rest of your story I won't comment on.
ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote:
Wow you dont sound very smart to me.I broke no laws and Im not a criminal,he came up from behind me and pulled my shirt up and took my gun, didnt say that he was a cop before he put his hands on me and my weapon, thats dangerous!he didnt give me a ticket or take me to jail nothing,The guy even told his fellow cops right in front of me that my "XD40 was nicer than his glock 9mm".Now 3 months later still no paper work and I call the courts and the station and they dont show anything about me or the case.Thats called stealing last time I checked.You say you dont support breaking laws, do you support stealling just because your a cop? And apparently the cop said there was a sign somewhere in the front but I sure didnt see it.he told me the sign said no weapons, but its funny that people are walking around with 3 ft. swords, hatchetts, ball and chians, big knifes and even bow and arrows. Im pretty sure those are weapons so Im confused and they even sell weapons inside. And no this dosent effect my ccw at all there are no charges with me, just a theft!I support safety for yourself and others you care about and thats why I say everybody who can leagally carry a gun should carry however and wherever you want to! shall I remind you Phx. AZ. is # 2 in the WORLD for kidnaping and ransom!
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TylerEMT
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:32 pm |
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If your story is true. Then you broke the law and the cop broke the law. Sucks to be you. If I ever met someone I knew was concealing without a permit I'd probably either draw down on you or have your face in the dirt as quick as I could. You were a criminal with a firearm. You deserved to go to jail for that incident. I don't care if you're a clean cut father out with your family, or a punk gang banger with their penis enlarger shoved down their pants. If you are illegaly carring a firearm you deserve to go to jail. Its people like you that make it so much harder for the rest of us to practice our rights.
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ccwinstructor
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:23 pm |
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ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: Wow you dont sound very smart to me.I broke no laws and Im not a criminal,he came up from behind me and pulled my shirt up and took my gun, didnt say that he was a cop before he put his hands on me and my weapon, thats dangerous!he didnt give me a ticket or take me to jail nothing,The guy even told his fellow cops right in front of me that my "XD40 was nicer than his glock 9mm".Now 3 months later still no paper work and I call the courts and the station and they dont show anything about me or the case.Thats called stealing last time I checked.You say you dont support breaking laws, do you support stealling just because your a cop? And apparently the cop said there was a sign somewhere in the front but I sure didnt see it.he told me the sign said no weapons, but its funny that people are walking around with 3 ft. swords, hatchetts, ball and chians, big knifes and even bow and arrows. Im pretty sure those are weapons so Im confused and they even sell weapons inside. And no this dosent effect my ccw at all there are no charges with me, just a theft!I support safety for yourself and others you care about and thats why I say everybody who can leagally carry a gun should carry however and wherever you want to! shall I remind you Phx. AZ. is # 2 in the WORLD for kidnaping and ransom!
The Arizona Constitution is quite explicit in your right to carry a weapon for your defense. Unfortunately, the liberal judges in our courts have interpreted this to mean that you cannot carry a weapon that is concealed without a permit, no matter what the evidence to the contrary in the minutes of the Arizona Constitutional Convention. Bob Corbin, who was the attorney general of Arizona did the research on this, and detested the refusal of the judges on the Supreme court of Arizona.
But, being right doesn't mean that you would not be fined and put into jail. The cost of your XD40 is probably small compared to the cost that the legal system would have put you through had you been arrested. I know that it may be galling, but I would recommend that you obtain a ccw as a way to prevent your going to jail in the future. We are slowly regaining our rights in Arizona. The AZCDL has a "constitutional Carry" bill in the Senate SB1270, right now. It has passed the first committee. If you are willing to risk jail to exercise your rights, why not fight to get them back through the legislature? Join AZCDL and help us fight to regain our rights.
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| "detested the refusal of the judges" .... Should be "detested the refusal to enforce the Arizona Constitution of the judges".
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TylerEMT wrote: If your story is true. Then you broke the law and the cop broke the law. Sucks to be you. If I ever met someone I knew was concealing without a permit I'd probably either draw down on you or have your face in the dirt as quick as I could. You were a criminal with a firearm. You deserved to go to jail for that incident. I don't care if you're a clean cut father out with your family, or a punk gang banger with their penis enlarger shoved down their pants. If you are illegaly carring a firearm you deserve to go to jail. Its people like you that make it so much harder for the rest of us to practice our rights. 1st off of course my story is true I have better things to do than lie and make up stories. and second you say"If I ever met someone I knew was concealing without a permit I'd probably either draw down on you or have your face in the dirt as quick as I could." What are you talking about? how would you know if you didnt ask? are ccw permits tatooted on people now or are you a mind reader, whats the deal you? people like you with a chip on there sholder are the kinda people I hate! draw down on me huh? thats funny I bet you dont know the first thing about shooting somebody or getting shot! If I were you Id stay in flagstaff with that attitude if you come down to phx. leave your gun and that attitude at home otherwise you wont make in long!
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