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ixtow
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 11:29 pm |
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Sonora Rebel wrote: Just enter any bar and pull a 'Jedi' on the barkeep. "You do not see a gun. There's no gun here. I am free to imbibe... "
Seriously... how many (especially woman) who CC more so than men in AZ... have complied with this already? How many people who CC have ever complied at all? Then... there certain states where even a 'CC" permit is rarer than a Blue Unicorn... and women (especially) will CC somethin' for their own defense... regardless of what a bunch'a milque-toast, candyassed, hoplophobic control freaks in the gummint (State or local) decree otherwise.
This is just 'something on paper'... whereas the actual dynamic has been something 'people do' anyway for years. 'Think politicians are cognizant of actualities? Not on this planet.
1) I am quite sure that politicians are cognizant, they just have other plans...
2) I've never met a woman who DIDN'T carry a concealed weapon of some kind. They, more than most, understand the need to bear arms. They simply choose to carry an ineffective weapon to 'feel' safe instead of 'be' safe. "steak knife in the purse" being the most common useless 'feel good' weapon I've found them to have.
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TOF
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 11:47 pm |
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So what are the rules in your location Count.
It is not necessary to go through the NRA to address your Senators or Congress person, state or national. The following link gets you to State Legislators. Click on Senate or House then click on members and you will have contact data for all members.
http://www.azleg.gov/
Write them now as the votes are coming up very soon.
I am not going to muddy the waters I have asked all of them to support the pertinent bills. If they must compromise a little till next year I can live with it. I am convinced we are making progress in Arizona. We are certainly doing better than many states.
Stay safe
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Notso
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 06:01 pm |
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| SB1113 was just defeated in the Senate vote, but apparently can be reconsidered again for another vote.
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 06:12 pm |
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Well... that sucks! Kommiefornian influence strikes again. 
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ccwinstructor
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 06:34 pm |
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Notso wrote: SB1113 was just defeated in the Senate vote, but apparently can be reconsidered again for another vote.
Nasty. Last year it passed with nearly 2/3rds of the vote!
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Notso
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 07:15 pm |
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| The reasons the anti's gave was just bizarre. One said 'My cousin was in a fight in a bar and got shot and killed - I vote no'. That had a lot to do with this. Some people have no ability to think logically.
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Crossfire Jedi
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 07:36 pm |
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The Senate continues with its accelerated schedule and voted on SB 1113 (Restaurant Carry) and SB 1243 (Defensive Display) in today's (June 15, 2009) Third Read after passing them out of the Senate Committee of the Whole (COW) just last Friday (June 12, 2009).
Unfortunately, SB 1113, which limited the carrying of concealed weapons in certain restaurants serving alcohol to CCW permit holders, providing signs are not posted forbidding firearms and the person possessing the firearm does not consume alcohol, failed by a tie vote of 14-14 with two Senators not voting. One of the Senators not voting was Republican Senator John Nelson, a supporter of SB 1113, who was unable to be at this session due to a family emergency. Unfortunately, a number of Senators who indicated to AzCDL that they supported SB 1113 voted against it on the Senate Floor. However, there is still hope for SB 1113. Senator Harper, the sponsor of SB 1113, seeing how the vote was going, switched his vote to "Nay" to create the tie vote. This will enable Senator Harper to ask for a reconsideration vote so that SB 1113 can be voted on again in an upcoming Third Read, probably tomorrow, June 16, 2009. You can see how each Senator voted here: http://tinyurl.com/SB1113Senate3rd .
SB 1243, the AzCDL-requested bill that clarifies when a defensive display is justified, sailed through today's Senate Third Read by a vote of 21-7 with 2 not voting. Vote details are here: http://tinyurl.com/SB1243Senate3rd . From here, SB 1243 will be transmitted to the House where the process starts all over again.
Stay tuned! When critical legislation moves, we will notify you via these Alerts.
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ixtow
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 07:38 pm |
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Notso wrote: The reasons the anti's gave was just bizarre. One said 'My cousin was in a fight in a bar and got shot and killed - I vote no'. That had a lot to do with this. Some people have no ability to think logically.
Why was no one there to debunk it?
If possessing a gun meant that a person was in a violent state of mind, there would be millions of 'gun deaths' every day. The population of the country would be cut in half by the end of the week.
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Notso
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 11:10 pm |
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| As the vote was being taken, each Senator could speak for or against the bill. I think the time for debate was over. I wanted to just reach out and slap someone everytime I heard an emotional plea to not pass that bill. Another Senator just kept saying that 'guns and alcohol don't mix' regardless of the fact that gun carriers won't be allowed to drink. Grrrrr, just pisses me off. I can imagine what the sponsors of the bill felt like.
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TOF
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 12:17 am |
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It's not over yet. We have some good people working for passage. Senator Harper will if possible have his ducks lined up better when he calls for reconsideration.
I am quite certain they will be talking to some of the nay votes in an attempt to shift the vote our way.
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AZkopper
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 06:14 am |
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Thank God my new Senator, Steven Pierce, voted Yes.
I hope the next vote goes better.
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Notso
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 10:26 pm |
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| SB1113 passed out of the Senate today. Now, on to the House. I understand it will move quickly through there and to a vote.
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GWbiker
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 10:49 pm |
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Notso wrote: SB1113 passed out of the Senate today. Now, on to the House. I understand it will move quickly through there and to a vote.
Vote was 18-10-2. The usual liberal minded suspects voted against SB1113.
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Dahwg
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 12:30 am |
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Notso wrote: SB1113 passed out of the Senate today. Now, on to the House. I understand it will move quickly through there and to a vote.
The Arizona Red Star will be none too pleased about it. HA! Can't wait to read the letters to the Editor... WAAAAHHHH
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chesphoto
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 05:22 am |
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My Senator, Jim Waring voted to pass the bill. He has been great, constantly updating me on the votes.
I just wrote to my representatives to ask them to support the two senate bills.
I also wrote the Senate Judiciary Committee to pass the bill to allow law abiding citizens to carry concealed. I have my ccw permit, but I would like to have more law abiding citizens carrying. The more carrying, the safer I am.
I have lived in Arizona since 1980 and have never contacted a state official. Now that have a gun, (12/08) I have become an activist!
We have a real chance to get some great laws passed, but we need to be vocal. Contact you representatives now!
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Count
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 08:57 am |
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"So what are the rules in your location Count."
TDF
If a location derives more than 51% of the business from the sales of alcohol they have to post a 51% sign here in Texas. You can consume but you cannot be intoxicated. You can only carry concealed there's no open carry here. ( you could open carry your rifle into a bar ) but that wouldn't fly....
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TOF
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 04:05 pm |
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It sounds like you could use a bit of improvement also. Are your legislators working on it?
Do you still have dry counties?
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 04:11 pm |
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| Yes, we have dry counties. The prohibition is for a 51% establishment only. If you are not in one (such as a restaurant) you can sit at the bar carrying and drinking, but the definition of intoxication can be stretched if you make the cop mad....
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Notso
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 04:51 pm |
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| I believe SB1113 started out with a '51%' rule, but it was dropped and replaced with the 'onsite kitchen' wording. Not sure how they worked that.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 05:02 pm |
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| I am so mad the NRA watered it down from the original version because they don't want to put up a good fight. It is absurd to create one tier of laws for open carriers and another tier of laws for concealed permit holders carrying concealed. I rather see this bill be killed and start over with guts. This is why I do not donate to the NRA anymore.
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