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Crossfire Jedi
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 09:22 pm |
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| I have been fortunate as well and have never had a bad experience with an LEO. That being said, if I was being followed around I would ignore it. I would not cause a scene, and just move on.
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 11:09 pm |
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| I've never had a bad experience in AZ. I would not 'bait' a cop or play silly games. I'm armed... they're often nervous. I will not make them moreso. This is part of my responsibility in the free exercise of a Right. DO NOT CAUSE A PROBLEM OR AROUSE SUSPICION.
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Citizen
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 01:26 am |
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| edited to delete. Misread a word in the news story. Last edited on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 01:27 am by Citizen
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ixtow
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 01:38 am |
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Sonora Rebel wrote: I've never had a bad experience in AZ. I would not 'bait' a cop or play silly games. I'm armed... they're often nervous. I will not make them moreso. This is part of my responsibility in the free exercise of a Right. DO NOT CAUSE A PROBLEM OR AROUSE SUSPICION.
And if the officer is blatantly provoking and being an ass? I'm sure 'my way' isn't the choice of most people. But what would you do in that circumstance?
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 01:49 am |
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| Walk away.
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ixtow
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 01:58 am |
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Sonora Rebel wrote: Walk away.
And if you can't because they follow you around almost stepping on your heels?
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Citizen
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:01 am |
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ixtow wrote: Sonora Rebel wrote: Walk away.
And if you can't because they follow you around almost stepping on your heels?
Keep a few donuts on you.
"Here, boy! Fetch the donut! Go get it, boy!"
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ixtow
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:03 am |
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Citizen wrote: ixtow wrote: Sonora Rebel wrote: Walk away.
And if you can't because they follow you around almost stepping on your heels?
Keep a few donuts on you.
"Here, boy! Fetch the donut! Go get it, boy!"
At least I'm not the only one who gives the persistently unprofessional and obnoxious a little return...
I have less than zero respect for the person who wants to ignore the asinine behavior of someone in a badge, and accuse me of being the 'punk.'
That's traitor with a broken jaw territory. Really hard to find something that can set me off, but that will do it.
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Citizen
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:13 am |
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ixtow wrote: SNIP And if the officer is blatantly provoking and being an ass?
There is a book available. Lemme see. [How to Arrest-Proof Yourself] or some such title.
Written by an ex-cop turned defense attorney.
In it he relates that some cops are deliberately being provocative to incite the detainee to do something arrestable. Apparently (my words, not his), this is so common as to have a word for it: inciters.
Inciters are the various actions that police do to try to get the detainee to do something arrestable--push the cop, yell and cuss the cop, etc.
Inciters include: literally in-your-face yelling, with or without spittle on your face, a poke in the groin,...(can't recall any others, sorry).
So, the lesson is "don't fall for the inciters". They want you to do something arrestable, or run so they can chase you.
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ixtow
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:16 am |
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Citizen wrote: ixtow wrote: SNIP And if the officer is blatantly provoking and being an ass?
There is a book available. Lemme see. [How to Arrest-Proof Yourself] or some such title.
Written by an ex-cop turned defense attorney.
In it he relates that some cops are deliberately being provocative to incite the detainee to do something arrestable. Apparently (my words, not his), this is so common as to have a word for it: inciters.
Inciters are the various actions that police do to try to get the detainee to do something arrestable--push the cop, yell and cuss the cop, etc.
Inciters include: literally in-your-face yelling, with or without spittle on your face, a poke in the groin,...(can't recall any others, sorry).
So, the lesson is "don't fall for the inciters". They want you to do something arrestable, or run so they can chase you.
Well, I wasn't carrying, wasn't even spoken to by the officer in question, just liked being a turd. I wonder how many career cops are inciters?
I don't fall for it, much the way I don't fall for the "I just want to talk, tell me what's going on here..." line.
I will react, or tell them stuff, but nothing that matters or even relates. I escalate my forms of non-cooperation in consensual encounters until they go away. Top of the list is what I originally posted. A cop has to really REALLY prove they are a degenerate to get me there.
[And don't tell me that I'M the one with the problem when they do it, not if you like your face where it is. I know that's crossing the line. That's just how it is. Deal with it. Note, the next sentence...]
Isn't being spit on or unwanted touching a form of assault?
Anyway, this is way off topic...
Last edited on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:24 am by ixtow
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GWbiker
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:40 am |
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Citizen wrote: ixtow wrote: Sonora Rebel wrote: Walk away.
And if you can't because they follow you around almost stepping on your heels?
Keep a few donuts on you.
"Here, boy! Fetch the donut! Go get it, boy!"
I see you still got the itch to bait people. And your posts are OC related....?
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ixtow
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:44 am |
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GWbiker wrote: Citizen wrote: ixtow wrote: Sonora Rebel wrote: Walk away.
And if you can't because they follow you around almost stepping on your heels?
Keep a few donuts on you.
"Here, boy! Fetch the donut! Go get it, boy!"
I see you still got the itch to bait people. And your posts are OC related....?
Hrm, guess who I'm not riding with...
When an officer baits you for half an hour, acknowledging his/her immature behavior with a little sarcastic insult is completely acceptable. Treat a child like a child.
Stuff it, pal.
Last edited on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:46 am by ixtow
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Crossfire Jedi
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 04:27 am |
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Is it my imagination or is everyone a bit cranky today 
I am curious what AZKOPPER's input would be on this, I stand with walking away. If I was easily able to get upset about things that are silly, I don't think I would carry. A LEO can follow me all day, I don't care, I am not doing anything wrong. If the intention of the LEO is to incite me, well..good luck on that, it takes quite a bit to do that.
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AZkopper
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 05:09 am |
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ixtow wrote: Sonora Rebel wrote: Walk away.
And if you can't because they follow you around almost stepping on your heels?
Stop. Talk to them. Ask whey they are following you. Be civil. You do not know why they are following you. Did a store clerk point you out because he felt nervous. Do you match someone they are looking for. Did the cop just get that 'wiggy feeling' about you and is checking you out further.
If the cop is being a true ass after that, use your cell phone and call his department, right in front of him. Tell the Watch Commander or whomever is in charge that you are being harassed and verbally abused by Ofc. Smith, and wish for a supervisor to come down immidately. True asses need to be sent up the chain for re-education.
But no, don't play cutesie games. Don't get in to a battle of wills. Be polite. Be straight forward. Be the squeeky wheel to the brass and/or city hall. If Ofc. Smith is being a True Ass because of his own personality defects, your civil behavior and non-escallation of the incident will only highlight his improper behavior, and give him nothing to fall back on.
My 0.02 worth, only.
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Citizen
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 05:26 am |
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AZkopper wrote: SNIP Stop. Talk to them. Ask whey they are following you. Be civil. You do not know why they are following you. Did a store clerk point you out because he felt nervous. Do you match someone they are looking for. Did the cop just get that 'wiggy feeling' about you and is checking you out further.
This advice is contradicted by the advices in these two videos:
Busted by FlexYourRights.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA
Talking to Police by Prof. James Duane of Regent University Law School
http://www.regent.edu/admin/media/schlaw/LawPreview/
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ixtow
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 05:27 am |
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AZkopper wrote: ixtow wrote: Sonora Rebel wrote: Walk away.
And if you can't because they follow you around almost stepping on your heels?
Stop. Talk to them. Ask whey they are following you. Be civil. You do not know why they are following you. Did a store clerk point you out because he felt nervous. Do you match someone they are looking for. Did the cop just get that 'wiggy feeling' about you and is checking you out further.
If the cop is being a true ass after that, use your cell phone and call his department, right in front of him. Tell the Watch Commander or whomever is in charge that you are being harassed and verbally abused by Ofc. Smith, and wish for a supervisor to come down immidately. True asses need to be sent up the chain for re-education.
But no, don't play cutesie games. Don't get in to a battle of wills. Be polite. Be straight forward. Be the squeeky wheel to the brass and/or city hall. If Ofc. Smith is being a True Ass because of his own personality defects, your civil behavior and non-escallation of the incident will only highlight his improper behavior, and give him nothing to fall back on.
My 0.02 worth, only.
Fair advice I suppose.
I opted for calling her Princess on my way back out to the bike. She followed me about half-way and then realized, crap, she can't chase a sportbike if she's not in her car...
But it was too late: Ninja 1, Crown Vic 0.
I'm pretty sure inciters know I can operate a phone and make a complaint. If they didn't have their bases covered, they wouldn't do it. Especially the FHP. Lots of people want that job, and they know it. They wouldn't take the chance if they weren't certain
The last thing I want is to call up her buddies and make a complaint, then I'll have 20 of them harassing me. I just want to make the pest go away. I didn't get all riled up or macho like she was hoping for. It turned out to be a huge waste of time that involved the opposite of the ego trip she was looking for. hoping people would watch her kick my ass and drag me away, turned into making an ass of herself, me adding insult to injury, and still having no way to cross the line without screwing herself. Standing there looking like a jackass (and rightfully so) and nothing she can do.
I haven't been bothered since. It's not about cop or not. It's about a see you en tea being put in her place. The cop thing is peripheral.
One thing the academy beats into your head "It's the uniform, not you." In this case, it's the opposite.
anyways...........
Glad this fool got shot! I presume this officer isn't the sort I've dealt with.
Last edited on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 05:32 am by ixtow
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ixtow
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 05:30 am |
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Citizen wrote: AZkopper wrote: SNIP Stop. Talk to them. Ask whey they are following you. Be civil. You do not know why they are following you. Did a store clerk point you out because he felt nervous. Do you match someone they are looking for. Did the cop just get that 'wiggy feeling' about you and is checking you out further.
This advice is contradicted by the advices in these two videos:
Busted by FlexYourRights.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA
Talking to Police by Prof. James Duane of Regent University Law School
http://www.regent.edu/admin/media/schlaw/LawPreview/
Consider the source.... ;-)
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Citizen
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 05:50 am |
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ixtow wrote: Citizen wrote: AZkopper wrote: SNIP Stop. Talk to them. Ask whey they are following you. Be civil. You do not know why they are following you. Did a store clerk point you out because he felt nervous. Do you match someone they are looking for. Did the cop just get that 'wiggy feeling' about you and is checking you out further.
This advice is contradicted by the advices in these two videos:
Busted by FlexYourRights.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA
Talking to Police by Prof. James Duane of Regent University Law School
http://www.regent.edu/admin/media/schlaw/LawPreview/
Consider the source.... ;-)
I did. That's why I posted the video links--in case any new guys were reading.
If I am being followed by a cop, the last thing I am going to do is talk to him.
He is right. I don't know why I am being followed. But, unless I'm bleeding unknowingly or something, I can safely assume I am under investigatory observation.
Besides, since I automatically invoke all rights during a police encounter, it would be a really short conversation anyway. 
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Crossfire Jedi
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 11:10 pm |
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Just so everyone here is clear, the forum rules state
"6) LEO bashing of any sort will NOT be tolerated on OCDO in any form".
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ixtow
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 03:17 am |
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Crossfire Jedi wrote: Just so everyone here is clear, the forum rules state
"6) LEO bashing of any sort will NOT be tolerated on OCDO in any form".
Interesting you would play that card when it is so obviously not taking place...
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