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Alec411
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 04:28 pm |
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Tim:
Your piece was extremely well written. Your was more than a mere expression of an opinion, it was the expression of an opinion that was long thoughtout, and carefully researched; brfore being offered. This Sir earns my respect. Rather that wrap yourself in highly emotionally charged opinion, one easily defended; you presented a non-flawed , logic laden statement (s) I was very fortunate in my life in having had the opportunity to service as direct peraonal counsel to two recent Presidents; Mr. Ford and Mr. Regan. The relationship that formed among the three of us resulted from my having been an aide to Ford when he was the Speaker or the house. From them on I was introduced to Mr. who remains the finest President, in my opinion, and warmest, most instructive person I've ever known.
A phrase of yours struck me as having one I've heard before, so I did a little research. You words were in no way borrowed, rather they embodied a train of thought of thought the the President was attempting in a cabinet level meeting. The idea that our focus must remain on the maintenance of a way of life, as being far more important than preserving a life, or group of lives.
When our way of life is destroyed, or even grossly modified - WE HAVE LOST!
You put yourself at a level, in terms of your thoughts and thought processes, that would have been invaluable to Mr. Regan. He needed to hear, in those forums, more voices like your own. (and mine)
Respectfully
Alec, Ph.D.
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Gunslinger
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 04:47 pm |
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Alec411 wrote: Tim:
Your piece was extremely well written. Your was more than a mere expression of an opinion, it was the expression of an opinion that was long thoughtout, and carefully researched; brfore being offered. This Sir earns my respect. Rather that wrap yourself in highly emotionally charged opinion, one easily defended; you presented a non-flawed , logic laden statement (s) I was very fortunate in my life in having had the opportunity to service as direct peraonal counsel to two recent Presidents; Mr. Ford and Mr. Regan. The relationship that formed among the three of us resulted from my having been an aide to Ford when he was the Speaker or the house. From them on I was introduced to Mr. who remains the finest President, in my opinion, and warmest, most instructive person I've ever known.
A phrase of yours struck me as having one I've heard before, so I did a little research. You words were in no way borrowed, rather they embodied a train of thought of thought the the President was attempting in a cabinet level meeting. The idea that our focus must remain on the maintenance of a way of life, as being far more important than preserving a life, or group of lives.
When our way of life is destroyed, or even grossly modified - WE HAVE LOST!
You put yourself at a level, in terms of your thoughts and thought processes, that would have been invaluable to Mr. Regan. He needed to hear, in those forums, more voices like your own. (and mine)
Respectfully
Alec, Ph.D.
Jerry was Republican Minority Leader, never Speaker--unfortunately. I always thought him to be a great man. I remember when Dirkson was Minority Leader of the Senate-- I grew up in Illinois, and Ford of the House. I was a kid back then, but learned a lot about what makes a leader a patriot from their weekly "Ev and Jerry" shows. Two great men, and it goes without saying that Reagan was another.
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Alec411
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 06:04 pm |
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ARMED4LIFE:
There is a major attack on individual rights in a county just to your North. I am sure you have heard many of the allegations against our "Sheriff". He tramples on Constitutional rights daily. Even ignoring the current issue of "illegals", he has been totally autocratic for years. The cost to Maricopa county..........people convicted of no crime are dying! We've lost $41 million in wrongful death suits!
We no longer ask ourselves, Is this possible? Yes, even at the county level, when accountability is a dirty word. If this sounds like merely a local issue having no place here, I would beg to question. This is an example to the country to how this can gain a foot hold.....and like mold, it grows, and broadens. If people in this county literally "fear for their life"........ is it possible across a country???
Any one doubting the reality of real people "afraid to DEATH" to speak out, it can be verified by a visit to, ARPAIO.COM
There was a HUGE lesson to be learned from "Katrina". The government's first official act, a to begin to confiscate the guns of honest citizens! LA, BTW was supposed to be a "shall issue" state for CC. After the storm hit, about 500-700 evacuees were housed in Phoenix, and we were glad to help. At that same time I ran a Classified AD in the PHX paper wishing to sell a NIB Winchester 1200, 12 gauge shotgun. The Ad indicated: 18" barrel, full stock, capacity of 9 within the gun, six round Side Saddle, 5 shot butt cuff, and a 50 bandolier. This is a fairly common Phoenix 12 gauge. I asked for $325 OBO. MY very first caller had a 'Naw Leans' accent. He told me he'd take it, site unseen, and we arranged a mtg in the parking lot at a police station. With the gun still in my trunk, I asked to see his LA ID. Everything matched (pictured) driver lic., ccw, and a deputy sheriff ID and badge. (one clean sale) I got the gun out, he worked the action, etc., and you could tell he was no stranger to a pump.
He took out ten $100 bills. I told him the asking price was only $350. He said that when I got home I would receive tons of calls from people tryin to get back home, and his "buying price" was a Grand. SOLD!! He had heard of the confiscations, and wasen't going home unprepared. Before he left, he had 20 rounds in or on the gun, and 50 rounds around his waste. Almost laughable............BUT DAMN SAD! Never in America??
When the gov't begins to confiscate, I will have to OC, my dad told me, if you intend to shoot, you must unholster the gun!
NOT ONE MORE RIGHT WILL I COMPROMISE! TO DEPRIVE ME OF ONE MORE RIGHT, WILL MEAN TRYING TO TAKE IT FROM ME! Trust me, after a whole adult lifetime of going armed on behalf of this country, takin' won't be a cake walk!
Members forgive me for wandering, but while we speak of gun rights, we speak of all rights. Tis the 2nd Amend. that insures all others!
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 06:15 pm |
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GUNSLINGER:
Please excuse me for misspeaking my self. Jerry and I "bonded" while he was still in the house as "minority leader", and the Viet Nam Vets Against The War, possed what Jerry a major threat, because (while still secret) he knew of the Saigon pull out. History reflects that I was the President of MACV, the Mich. Ass'n. of Collgiate VETS at the time. Since I was on sound footing with the VNVATW politically, and Jerry wanted me to arrange a sit down, at which the Vets against the War were brought up to date on with withhdrawl plans. This group and my group had worked togeather, in differing ways, to end the conflict. They knew me as a man not to BS them, and sell out my honor.
ALEC, Ph.D.
Once I embarked upon my career, he requested that I be assigned TDY to him. We remained friends, up till his passing. To the folks in Grand Rapids, MI, that day had as much impact as did, 11-22-63
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 04:27 am |
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Tim,
We the People created Congress, and it is subordinate to We the People.
Congress created the US Citizen (14th Ammendment/Enactments of Congress (priveleges,not rights)) making them subordinate to Congress.
To be a 'US Citizen' is a privelege not a Right, to be a 'US National' is your Right.
Please look at the table on page 20 of the PDF.
To be covered by the Bill of Rights and Constitution you must be a 'US National/State Citizen' not a 'US Citizen'.
Just as there is a big difference between a 'US Citizen' and a 'US National/State Citizen' there is a big difference between Rights vs. priveleges.
There is a good video/class on the Constitution by Michael Badnarik.[ link : http://www.archive.org/details/Michael_Badnarik ] There are 7 videos of the class each about an hour long.
They(govt) play on words to trick you into giving up your Rights. I was merely posting it to make others aware of the difference between the two.
I'm not sure where you read that I said your Rights are limited based on location. If it was from the excerpt, it is a misunderstanding.
It doesn't say you don't have Rights because you are on federal property, it is because you claim to be a 'US Citizen' and are on federal property.
Everyone has Rights regardless of location, it's if you don't know the rules to the 'game' when they get you and you are left looking like a deer in headlights.
Again, if you never get 'bored' enough to read the PDF, PLEASE watch the videos.
As for the rest of your post, I agree wholeheartedly. I'm sure we could talk for days about 911 and the erosion of our Rights. The Patriot Act is not Patriotic.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 04:32 am |
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Just remember, the guys stopping you are just like you and me. They're trying to earn a living for themselves and their families. And they're just taking orders from their bosses. Right or wrong, these guys are just trying to keep their jobs.
Nonsense. When they are not upholding the laws themselves such as those protected by the Constitution, they are criminals disguised as law enforcement. Such individuals are not worthy of respect. I don't care if they are just "trying to do their job." The Nazis also were "trying to do their job" but there becomes a point where you stand up for what is right and not just what is popular. If they care about values, justice, and righteousness, they will turn in their badges and get a different job. Period.
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