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gruntpain1775
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Posted: Sat Feb 21st, 2009 06:58 pm |
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Max Brantley of the Arkansas Times has published the full list of CHCL holders. It has names and Address of everyone in Arkansas holding a CHCL. the report can be viewed here.
http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2009/02/annals_of_gun_nuttery.aspx
If you would like to contact Mr Brantley to express your displeasure here is his Home address and personel phone number:
Max F. Brantley
3210 Edgerstoune Lane
Little Rock, AR 72205-4312
(501)663-6758
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Arkyhog
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Posted: Sat Feb 21st, 2009 07:02 pm |
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| Great job, Tim! Everyone should call this guy and make sure he knows you are displeased about the disclosure of our names.
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Arkyhog
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Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 11:51 pm |
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Here is his email address, also.
max@arktimes.com
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TFred
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Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 03:33 am |
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According to the data compiled at this page: http://handgunlaw.us/documents/CCWFAQApp.pdf permit holder information is not public in Arkansas. But this would not appear to be correct. Anyone know if there is a law on the subject?
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Arkyhog
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Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 03:49 am |
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We are trying to find out if any laws have been broken at this time. The problem with the law is it says the Arkansas State Police has to make the database available to law enforcement agencies. It doesn't say it can't make it available to anyone else.
If anyone else knows of any laws have been broken by this, please post them!
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emansplz
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Posted: Tue Feb 24th, 2009 04:06 am |
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| What I think is going to be interesting is how long the Arkansas Times will stay in Publication considering that about 20% of his advertisers were on the list, not just any but the major donors.
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Arkyhog
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Posted: Tue Feb 24th, 2009 04:18 am |
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| Yeah, I heard that today... Also, there are about 5,000 permit holders that aren't on that list because of its age. I'm not on it. But, that adds up to about 60,000 people who aren't happy with the Arkansas Times. That is a BIG chunk of the total population of Arkansas.
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TFred
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 11:03 pm |
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It appears that he has removed the direct link to the file from the original blog.
If that was discussed elsewhere, sorry for the duplicate info, I missed it.
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Arkyhog
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 11:10 pm |
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Sorry about that, TFred. We have been very busy in Arkansas with this issue. He took the link off Monday morning, and was on a talk radio show on Tuesday whining about death threats and the crazed gun crowd. I believe he got the reaction he wanted and is the main reason for releasing the database. We had legislation introduced today to make the database private, and it may be voted on this week.
You can read lots of posts and news reports on http://www.ArkansasCarry.com.
This guy is a terrorist. I also believe the death threats are made up. If it is true, it is very unfortunate. If some gun owners lost their cool, they played right into his hands. If they did make threats, they should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Last edited on Wed Feb 25th, 2009 11:12 pm by Arkyhog
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TFred
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 11:24 pm |
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Arkyhog wrote: Sorry about that, TFred. We have been very busy in Arkansas with this issue. He took the link off Monday morning, and was on a talk radio show on Tuesday whining about death threats and the crazed gun crowd. I believe he got the reaction he wanted and is the main reason for releasing the database. We had legislation introduced today to make the database private, and it may be voted on this week.
You can read lots of posts and news reports on http://www.ArkansasCarry.com.
This guy is a terrorist. I also believe the death threats are made up. If it is true, it is very unfortunate. If some gun owners lost their cool, they played right into his hands. If they did make threats, they should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Ah, thanks for the update! I hadn't kept up. We had a nearly identical incident here in Virginia in 2006/2007, I believe, except it was the actual newspaper's web site, and an editorial decision, not just one crazy employee. The reaction was swift and furious, as expected.
The source for that database was a FOIA request to the State Police, and the Attorney General issued an opinion saying he believed it was illegal for them to release the entire list. However, (and this is a big however) in Virginia, the applications are taken by the local courts, and are thus public record. So newspapers in some jurisdictions go around to all the courts once a month, collect and publish the names of new applicants.
The legislators are about to pass a sham of a bill that purports to protect this information, but only from release by the State Police, leaving it open at the courts. It's a waste of the paper it is printed on.
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 11:32 pm |
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I noticed on the ArkansasCarry site that the information is still available on a web page called http://www.arkansasgunpermits.com/
They are using Google's AdSense program to make money on the dissemination of this information.
The last I checked, Google's Terms of Service were quite clear on forbidding any gun related web sites using their ads, in fact they rejected this very site as a violation of these terms.
I suggest you report this violation to Google, and their account and any unpaid funds they may have earned will likely be canceled!
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Posted: Thu Feb 26th, 2009 12:23 am |
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thanks! we will do that!
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Posted: Thu Feb 26th, 2009 06:06 am |
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I heard the guy on the radio Tuesday and he told his reason for posting it, saying that he felt hat people had the right to know who and if the person next to them was carrying or not.
He was saying that there were people on the list that should not have a CC and I would not argue that point but in the same respect, there are a lost of people driving cars everyday down the highway that should not have a drivers license as well
Statistically you have a better chance of being killed in an auto accident by a driver that is operating a vehicle on either a suspended or revoked license.
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Arkyhog
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Posted: Thu Feb 26th, 2009 05:04 pm |
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emansplz wrote:
I heard the guy on the radio Tuesday and he told his reason for posting it, saying that he felt hat people had the right to know who and if the person next to them was carrying or not.
He was saying that there were people on the list that should not have a CC and I would not argue that point but in the same respect, there are a lost of people driving cars everyday down the highway that should not have a drivers license as well
Statistically you have a better chance of being killed in an auto accident by a driver that is operating a vehicle on either a suspended or revoked license.
Man, I love that point you just made! I used it on Max's blog. I hope you don't mind!
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Posted: Thu Feb 26th, 2009 10:45 pm |
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emansplz wrote: I heard the guy on the radio Tuesday and he told his reason for posting it, saying that he felt hat people had the right to know who and if the person next to them was carrying or not. Leaving aside the silly notion that anyone has such a "right", his stunt did nothing towards his stated goal.
There are more people illegally carrying than legally carrying, and the criminals aren't on that list.
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Posted: Thu Feb 26th, 2009 11:00 pm |
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TFred wrote: I noticed on the ArkansasCarry site that the information is still available on a web page called http://www.arkansasgunpermits.com/
They are using Google's AdSense program to make money on the dissemination of this information.
The last I checked, Google's Terms of Service were quite clear on forbidding any gun related web sites using their ads, in fact they rejected this very site as a violation of these terms.
It's gone. 
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 07:43 am |
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Arkyhog wrote: Great job, Tim! Everyone should call this guy and make sure he knows you are displeased about the disclosure of our names. another thing that works is calling the advertisers and TELLING them you need
THEIR HOME ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER, no need to be polite, they are paying the bills for that disgusting rag and need to be held accountable.
EVERYONE that works there needs to have THEIR HOME PHONES/CELL PHONES & ADDRESS published across all the gun forums.
The only way to stop this is take the fight into their homes, they are hoping criminals KILL YOU, they are helping stalkers find their prey.
What disgusting foul evil creatures they are.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13th, 2009 05:15 pm |
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Comments and recommended solution to this situation posted Fed 26:
"Mad" Max Brantley No Friend of Gun Owners
Also, a list of advertisers was provided by a commenter in comments section of the post.
ARRA News Service
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