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Decoligny
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 11:48 pm |
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With California's screwy firearm laws is it any wonder they have multiple definitions of what a "Loaded Firearm" is?
Here is a new pamphlet to help determine whether or not a firearm is loaded, depending on where you are at and what you are doing.
AVAILABLE IN PDF FORMAT FURTHER DOWN.
Attachment: IS_IT_LOADED2.doc (Downloaded 631 times) Last edited on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 08:21 pm by Decoligny
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LOW2000
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 03:12 am |
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| Excellent Deco, thanks for helping put these together to help educate us and others. Hopefully, the recent confiscation of a member's unloaded handgun will help our cause in short order.
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Decoligny
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 03:15 am |
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| Yeah, sometimes it takes the cops screwing up and one of us having to fight the good fight to clear the way for more 2A progress to occur in California.
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Mechanic
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Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 09:14 pm |
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| Thanks, that's a great summary.
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Felid`Maximus
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 04:13 pm |
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Thank you....
The last paragraph appears cut off, I'll note.
(b) Every person who carries a loaded or unloaded firearm together with a detachable shotgun magazine, a detachable pistol
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Decoligny
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 07:29 pm |
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Felid`Maximus wrote: Thank you....
The last paragraph appears cut off, I'll note.
(b) Every person who carries a loaded or unloaded firearm together with a detachable shotgun magazine, a detachable pistol
If you print it out and fold it properly you will notice that the last page is not really the last page. The second section of the top page is actually the last page. This was designed to be printed out as a pamphlet, and the standard pamphlet folding requires the columns to be printed in a certain order so they come out right in print.
5 6 1
2 3 4
That is the sequence of pages.
Hopefully that make more sense now.
Last edited on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 08:25 pm by Decoligny
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poothrowingape
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 11:05 am |
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| is there any way of getting it on another program like adobe?
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Mechanic
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 06:45 pm |
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poothrowingape wrote: is there any way of getting it on another program like adobe?
I rendered it in PDF for you. Didn't do a detailed comparison, but it looks the same to me.
Decoligny: You're wecome to take this PDF and repost it back with the original Word doc or wherever you see fit. Not trying to take any ownership, just wanted to help.
Attachment: IS_IT_LOADED2.pdf (Downloaded 168 times)
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Decoligny
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 08:20 pm |
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| I just put them together and anyone can do anything with them. I'll leave the Word doc up and leave your pdf here too. I'll edit the original to direct them further down to find the pdf.
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cato
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 09:50 pm |
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Heller bump! 
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poothrowingape
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 09:30 am |
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Its is a little difficult to follow without Decoligny's direction. im taking and printing these to pass out to citizens as well as possibly calm down any unrully LEOs. so a better order of the folds would be great.
I dont mean to sound ungreatful because these are just stuffed with valuable information.
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BillMCyrus
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:30 pm |
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| Anyone think Heller made loaded OC protected?
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Decoligny
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 08:22 pm |
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BillMCyrus wrote: Anyone think Heller made loaded OC protected?
I think it will eventually have that effect, but until some of the upcoming lawsuits are worked through the California legal system I wouldn't assume that any CA LEOs are just going to say "Screw PC12031, it's unconstitutional now!"
I like the part of the Heller opinion on page 57, although it is only a case law citation from Alabama and not binding in the SCOTUS decision:
State v. Reid, 1 Ala. 612, 616-617 (1840) ("A statute which, under the pretence of regulating, amounts to a destruction of the right, or which requires arms to be so borne as to render them wholly useless for the purpose of defense, would clearly be unconstitutional.")
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LeagueOf1607
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Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 05:54 am |
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cato wrote: Heller bump!
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Decoligny
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Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2008 05:51 am |
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| BUMP
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cato
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 03:15 am |
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| west coast sticky bump
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cato
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 08:47 pm |
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| bump
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MrSigmaDot40
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 09:46 pm |
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| Nice Pamphlet but it cam up all weird on my screen . I have to say as a CA AR-15 owner that I do not like that definition of "Detachable Magazine" It totally undermines the "Fixed Magazine" Definition that allows for the Bullet Button, Prince 50, etc.
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Decoligny
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:54 am |
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The thing to remember is that this definition of "detachable magazine" is an "as used in this section" definition.
It ONLY applies during the commission or attempted commision of any street gang crimes.
If you are using a Bullet Button, or a Prince 50, and you are doing a drive by, you are screwed. However, if you are just a law abiding citizen taking your OLL non-AW long arm to the range for some fun, and you get pulled over, you don't have a detachable magazine.
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MrSigmaDot40
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 07:39 am |
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Decoligny wrote: The thing to remember is that this definition of "detachable magazine" is an "as used in this section" definition.
It ONLY applies during the commission or attempted commision of any street gang crimes.
If you are using a Bullet Button, or a Prince 50, and you are doing a drive by, you are screwed. However, if you are just a law abiding citizen taking your OLL non-AW long arm to the range for some fun, and you get pulled over, you don't have a detachable magazine.
Ah I c, cool! I missed that it was an exception again  maybe I should be a LEO.
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