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CA_Libertarian
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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 08:29 am |
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***Deleted reply to off-topic discussion.***
Let's try to get back on topic or make a new thread... though I'm not sure that discussion even has a place on this forum. I'm all for free speech, but I have a feeling the owners of this board want to keep the forum on the topic of open carry.
Last edited on Fri Aug 8th, 2008 08:31 am by CA_Libertarian
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Mechanic
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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 11:17 pm |
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Update: SB 1171 just passed the third reading on Wednesday, which, if I remember my civics class, now goes to the scheduleing committe for inclusion on the floor agenda for reading and debate. It can still be sent back to committee for revisions, however, but that would push it into the next legislative session.
With Arnold announcing that he will not sign any legislation until the budget passes, it wouldn't be without precedent that the legislative session will be extended into September to permit that passage. Substantive movement on SB1171 is unlikely in August. A lot depends on how the Senate takes Arnold's announcement.
Just for laughs, though, since this topic is awfully heavy, I accidentally found AB1171 while searching for SB1171. I thought you guys were nuts for worrying about legislation about necrophilia.  There's a joke in there somewhere, but I can't seem to make it work.
Edited to correct: the current legislative session goes through September, not August.
Last edited on Fri Aug 8th, 2008 11:37 pm by Mechanic
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demnogis
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Posted: Sat Aug 9th, 2008 02:07 am |
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I just read the amendments in SB1171... It really doesn't do anything to curb crime. If anything it looks like it will "create" more criminals by making something, situationally marginal at best, illegal.
Carrying a "loaded" firearm, of any type in public (walking, driving, etc) will be completely illegal, unless you are on hunting grounds, on a "special hunt" approved by the fish and game committee.
The wording of this bill says that it necissarily bridges a gap in current penal code that allows a person to carry loaded in unincorporated areas where there are no ordinances dictating so.
I think it's a waste. This law won't actually stop those criminally intent on doing something brash with a firearm - it just gives them another thing to nail you for.
Also... Why do bill amendments to penal codes have "Provides that a person is guilty of..." No more innocent until proven guilty? And where can I find the contact information for the state senators that voted Aye for this bill?
Solorio, De La Torre, Ma, Caballero, Davis, DeSaulnier, Furutani, Huffman, Karnette, Krekorian, Lieu, Ma, Nava, Solorio...
Also, some names are listed twice under the Ayes. Is our Senate like that of Texas, where the same state senator will vote 2 or 3 times on an absent senator's desk?
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Lonnie Wilson
State Researcher
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Posted: Sat Aug 9th, 2008 02:38 am |
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So it basically bans loaded open carry entirely except for special circumstances such as hunting grounds and special hunts
Sorry to say this, but GOOD. It makes the eventually lawsuit against it even easier to win. 
Silver linings, my friends, silver linings.
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marshaul
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Posted: Sat Aug 9th, 2008 02:09 pm |
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gravedigger wrote:
It is sad to see that some people still cling to the Jeffersonian definition of "liberal' and point to Webster's definition and other misleading sources.
A "liberal" in today's world refers to a very specific type of ... person, and I use that term loosely.
People say I cannot define a "liberal." Well, if someone asks me to define a "liberal," my response is:
"The Clintons, the Gores, The Kerrys, Rosie O'Donnell, Michael Moore, Al Franken, Ed Asner, Sean Penn, Nancy Pulosi, George Soros, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakan, Al Sharpton, Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, Chicago's Mayor Daley and Illinois' governor Rod R. Blagojevich, and on and on ... partial birth abortion, gay marriage, removing God from EVERYTHING, gun banning and gun-confiscation, the energy crisis, forcing all of us into tiny cars in the name of saving fuel, Global Warming, The ACLU, NAMBLA, the forced redistribution of wealth, spitting on returning soldiers, AIDS, the desire to SHRED the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, pimps, drug dealers, gangs, illiteracy, welfare, crime, drugs, alcoholism, rape, robbery, burglary, murder, muggings, insurance fraud, car alarms, the need for tamper-proof seals on our food products, the NEA, the corruption of our public education system, students graduating high school unable to write their own names or read a traditional clock with hands, or make change for a simple transaction at a cash register, teaching American students all about ISLAM while forbidding them to say a Christian prayer in class and trying to remove the celebrations of Christmas and Easter from our society while promoting inferior pagan replacements, Socialism, Marxism, Communism, working HARD to make America fall on it's knees before the U.N. and ask for their permission to exist, Telling America to APOLOGIZE to the world for our success, looking to Europe as a model of what America should strive to become, allowing career criminals to re-enter society after a slap on the hand, REPEAT rapists being let out of jail for "good behavior," Child molesters walking free among our society, ... "
That is how *I* define a "liberal."
Now some of you may be Libertarian! but I doubt there are any "liberals" on this board.
I think it's sad that you perpetuate the misappropriation of a valid term, especially when the purpose of said appropriation is to distort and discredit the underlying philosophy. Shame on you.
Edit: Sorry for the off-topic. But I'm not going to delete my post.Last edited on Sat Aug 9th, 2008 02:10 pm by marshaul
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mkl
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Posted: Sat Aug 9th, 2008 02:46 pm |
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| **posted before finishing the thread and realized it had been covered** Last edited on Sat Aug 9th, 2008 02:48 pm by mkl
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MrSigmaDot40
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 12:42 pm |
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 um... When is it ok to exercise my rights in CA again? Is it still 1-4 months out???
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Mechanic
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 07:04 pm |
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demnogis wrote:
Also, some names are listed twice under the Ayes. Is our Senate like that of Texas, where the same state senator will vote 2 or 3 times on an absent senator's desk?
When you look at the voting table, there are two columns, one for the Public Safety Committee and one for the Appropriations Committee. Some of these clowns are on both committees.
Should be a conflict of interest, but they mostly set their own rules regarding this kind of stuff.
I also noticed that they did read this on the floor. I think that gives it one more reading on the floor before the final reading and vote.
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CA_Libertarian
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 08:38 pm |
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MrSigmaDot40 wrote: um... When is it ok to exercise my rights in CA again? Is it still 1-4 months out???
I was told that the legislative session is over at the end of August. Some may push for us to hold off longer, but for now I've only agreed to wait until Sept 1. Doesn't mean I won't listen to reason, but that's all I'm convinced is worth while for now.
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demnogis
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 05:03 am |
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Well... If that's the case, maybe by the first of September we should organize a "slush fund" for some members. Or at least get members on retainer with a pro-2A legal firm in CA for the comin months. After my anniversary in Vegas in Sept, I plan on having my Sig by October. I'd like to be ready in most all aspects should the best or worst happen.
Be prepared, is what we were taught, no?
CA_Libertarian wrote: MrSigmaDot40 wrote: um... When is it ok to exercise my rights in CA again? Is it still 1-4 months out???
I was told that the legislative session is over at the end of August. Some may push for us to hold off longer, but for now I've only agreed to wait until Sept 1. Doesn't mean I won't listen to reason, but that's all I'm convinced is worth while for now.
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CA_Libertarian
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 07:37 am |
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8/11/08 UPDATE:
At tonight's Madison Society meeting, the organization's president Virgil McVicker gave us an update on the Nordyke case, and the news sounds very good!
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals will rehear the case in the coming months. The deadline to file briefs is early September, and we can expect a ruling in the next 6-9 months, maybe as early as December. The good news is that now the court must consider this case in light of Heller. This means a likely reversal of the long-standing Silveira v Lockyer "collective right" decision is looming. Further, since it will almost certainly be citing the Heller ruling (as I'm sure the majority of briefs will raise the issue) - it will be very likely that this case will give us incorporation of Heller.
The very mild chance that the court would affirm Silveira v Lockyer would create a situation that would give us a good chance of getting SCOTUS to grant certiori, since we would have yet another decision that contradicts various other circuit courts' decisions.
This is the most excited I've been about Heller so far. Thanks to The Madison Society, among other groups, we are rapidly moving toward our goals.
If you haven't already, scroll up and click the link and check out the Madison Society. They're a completely non-profit organization with the sole purpose of forwarding 2A litigation in CA. They have their plate full right now, but the leadership of this organization (as well as the general membership) are very interested in open carry. Please visit a meeting, join, or just donate to help them forward their litigation. Unlike the big for-profit organizations (won't name names, you all know who they are), these guys pinch every penny.
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gravedigger
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 07:58 am |
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marshaul wrote: I think it's sad that you perpetuate the misappropriation of a valid term, especially when the purpose of said appropriation is to distort and discredit the underlying philosophy. Shame on you.
I think it is a shame when people who use the word "liberal" as an adjective cannot differentiate between that, and using the word as a NOUN. To be 'liberal' on some issues does not make you 'A' liberal. But as someone else said, this is not the board for this discussion.
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MrSigmaDot40
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 11:14 am |
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CA_Libertarian wrote: 8/11/08 UPDATE:
At tonight's Madison Society meeting, the organization's president Virgil McVicker gave us an update on the Nordyke case, and the news sounds very good!
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals will rehear the case in the coming months. The deadline to file briefs is early September, and we can expect a ruling in the next 6-9 months, maybe as early as December. The good news is that now the court must consider this case in light of Heller. This means a likely reversal of the long-standing Silveira v Lockyer "collective right" decision is looming. Further, since it will almost certainly be citing the Heller ruling (as I'm sure the majority of briefs will raise the issue) - it will be very likely that this case will give us incorporation of Heller.
The very mild chance that the court would affirm Silveira v Lockyer would create a situation that would give us a good chance of getting SCOTUS to grant certiori, since we would have yet another decision that contradicts various other circuit courts' decisions.
This is the most excited I've been about Heller so far. Thanks to The Madison Society, among other groups, we are rapidly moving toward our goals.
If you haven't already, scroll up and click the link and check out the Madison Society. They're a completely non-profit organization with the sole purpose of forwarding 2A litigation in CA. They have their plate full right now, but the leadership of this organization (as well as the general membership) are very interested in open carry. Please visit a meeting, join, or just donate to help them forward their litigation. Unlike the big for-profit organizations (won't name names, you all know who they are), these guys pinch every penny.
Let me make sure I'm on the same page still. All this is for stuff is about being able to OC "L" right? Because it is already legal in CA to OC "U" correct? I'm sure whatever this thing is about, it is also to further the entire 2A movement in CA but I kind of fell off track with this whole situation.
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Prophet
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 05:06 pm |
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| Not to be a nay sayer per se...but you are pinning your hopes on the 9th Circuit Court? I wouldn't be holding your breath if you expect them to actually listen to the Supreme Court. Most likely a higher appeal will be needed. But here's to hoping you're right!
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demnogis
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 07:06 pm |
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CA_Libertarian, thanks for posting the info on Madison Society. It looks like they're doing quite a bit of work on 2A matters. I'll definitely be signing up and donating to their cause.
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CA_Libertarian
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 07:19 pm |
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Prophet wrote: Not to be a nay sayer per se...but you are pinning your hopes on the 9th Circuit Court? I wouldn't be holding your breath if you expect them to actually listen to the Supreme Court. Most likely a higher appeal will be needed. But here's to hoping you're right!
I share your skepticism to some extent. While this court has a reputation for being overturned, and has a reputation for contradicting the other circuit courts, I'm not sure they're going to thumb their noses at SCOTUS.
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Mechanic
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 10:15 pm |
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Also remember that all the democrats will be in Denver for the DNC the end of the month, which may shut down the legislature due to lack of quorum.
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marshaul
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 08:27 am |
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| Well, seeing as I just joined the VCDL a couple weeks back, I figured I should join the Madison Society. So I did.
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PRC-E6
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 10:39 pm |
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| So..... anyone else OC-ing again on Monday the 1st?
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LeagueOf1607
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 11:27 pm |
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No, on Fri. Aug 29th!!! 
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