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.45acp
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:12 am |
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Hi Folk,
I asked for some Cali CCW info several days ago and got some great responses and info, thanks to all.
Today a new question, I have a Job interview in Colusa on Monday. Since I am driving back up to Utah from Southern Arizona I figured to just drive and go a little out of the way and stop over in Colusa do the interview and head over to Fallon, NV. and visit a friend and do alittle more shooting.
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I have several AR type M4 flattops, several combat shotguns, 10 or so pistols and 10000 rds of 5.56mm, 9mm, and .45acp. I'm transporting in a SUV in various soft cases.
Can I legally take this firearms into Cal without grief if for some reason I get stopped? I don't drink, use drugs or anything else that generally contributes to close encounters with LEO’s. After reading some of the horror stories, I’m extremely leery of taking this load in to Cal for 1 day.
Thanks,
Steve
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wrightme
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:38 am |
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Don't know about in Cali, but they are fine for here in Fallon. 
For Cali, they are all 10-round non-detachable magazines, right? 
Last edited on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:43 am by wrightme
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.45acp
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:49 am |
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wrightme wrote: Don't know about in Cali, but they are fine for here in Fallon.
Yeah they are good to go in Utah and Arizona where I have been visiting to past 2 months. It has been great to OC my favorite 1911 7/24's, the best part is that nobody pays much attention. I'll LOC all the way home, with the exception of the detour into the dark side of the Sierra Nevada’s.
I suspect that Cali will be a problem. I may just stay in Reno, leave the guns and wife in a hotel and drive on over the hill.
I have not been to Cali since the early 80's with good reason.
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Army
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 08:02 am |
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The law allows transport through the state, enroute to other states.
It also allows transport to shooting events in the state.
Only for security do you want to have them cased and out of sight. There is no law forcing you to. You can transport rifles duct-taped to the hood if you like.
Handguns are "special" here. Being from out of state, it would be smart to transport in a LOCKED container (no clear description of the container in the law, but any hard case or can will do). Locks can be key or combo. The law reads; that if the weapon is to be concealed, it must be cased and locked. Legally, you can have an UNloaded handgun on the dash if you like, as long as NO part is covered/concealed in any manner.
You don't live here, so knowing where any K-12 school is not needed (you must have a "reasonable knowledge" of school location for the 1000' law). There is no need to separate ammo, magazines, and guns...but do not have any firearms loaded during transport.
Quick synopsis, but that will keep you legal while here.
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.45acp
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 08:20 am |
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Thanks Army and thanks for your service to our country!
Steve
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bigtoe416
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 08:44 am |
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I'm not really certain about out of state laws regarding possible "assault weapons" but I'd make sure you can either bring assault weapons into the state, or make sure your weapons aren't assault weapons. I believe one of the two links will be able to answer the assault weapon question:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
http://calnra.com/cgi-bin/flowchart.cgi
In addition to the assault rifle question, I'd make sure none of your pistols had threaded barrels as I believe that also counts as an assault weapon. And as wrightme said, no 10+ round mags.
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.45acp
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 10:44 am |
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Thank folks for the replys,
I decided to get a hotel in Reno (live the guns there) and drive to Colusa Monday morning. Should be about a 2.5 hour drive or so. Several of the weapons are considered AW by Cali. I'm a native son of the golden state, and I sure have sympathy for the gunners that live there.
Thanks all, have a safe weekend.
Steve
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poothrowingape
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 08:18 pm |
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bigtoe416 wrote: I'm not really certain about out of state laws regarding possible "assault weapons" but I'd make sure you can either bring assault weapons into the state, or make sure your weapons aren't assault weapons. I believe one of the two links will be able to answer the assault weapon question:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
http://calnra.com/cgi-bin/flowchart.cgi
In addition to the assault rifle question, I'd make sure none of your pistols had threaded barrels as I believe that also counts as an assault weapon. And as wrightme said, no 10+ round mags.
thats wierd, i took the test and i failed even though my gun is legal. I legalized my sks(put a fixed 10 rounder on) and registered it. After my papers got processed the DOJ ATF sent 2 agents to my house to inspect the gun and they said it was completely legal.
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mjones
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 03:31 am |
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poothrowingape wrote: bigtoe416 wrote: I'm not really certain about out of state laws regarding possible "assault weapons" but I'd make sure you can either bring assault weapons into the state, or make sure your weapons aren't assault weapons. I believe one of the two links will be able to answer the assault weapon question:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
http://calnra.com/cgi-bin/flowchart.cgi
In addition to the assault rifle question, I'd make sure none of your pistols had threaded barrels as I believe that also counts as an assault weapon. And as wrightme said, no 10+ round mags.
thats wierd, i took the test and i failed even though my gun is legal. I legalized my sks(put a fixed 10 rounder on) and registered it. After my papers got processed the DOJ ATF sent 2 agents to my house to inspect the gun and they said it was completely legal.
What step caused you to fail? I can say with absolute certainty that if that chart says you have an unregistered AW, then you do.
Not knowing what's stamped on the receiver, a generic (non named in appendix B or C) SKS with a FIXED 10rd mag should be a non-assault weapon.
If you registered it as a CA Assault Weapon then it doesn't matter - just make sure you follow all the Registered Assault Weapon (RAW) Legislation.
I had many of these before my tragic boating accident...I miss them, but I'm happy to have survived.
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Campbell
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 06:07 pm |
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Nothing your carrying is illegal in the State of CA. BUT, the number of weapons and the amount of ammo you have is going to cause great suspicions if your stopped for something. But still perfectly legal.
Good luck.
.45acp wrote:
Hi Folk,
I asked for some Cali CCW info several days ago and got some great responses and info, thanks to all.
Today a new question, I have a Job interview in Colusa on Monday. Since I am driving back up to Utah from Southern Arizona I figured to just drive and go a little out of the way and stop over in Colusa do the interview and head over to Fallon, NV. and visit a friend and do alittle more shooting.
Question
I have several AR type M4 flattops, several combat shotguns, 10 or so pistols and 10000 rds of 5.56mm, 9mm, and .45acp. I'm transporting in a SUV in various soft cases.
Can I legally take this firearms into Cal without grief if for some reason I get stopped? I don't drink, use drugs or anything else that generally contributes to close encounters with LEO’s. After reading some of the horror stories, I’m extremely leery of taking this load in to Cal for 1 day.
Thanks,
Steve
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 04:44 pm |
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.45acp wrote: Thank folks for the replys,
I decided to get a hotel in Reno (live the guns there) and drive to Colusa Monday morning. Should be about a 2.5 hour drive or so. Several of the weapons are considered AW by Cali. I'm a native son of the golden state, and I sure have sympathy for the gunners that live there.
The last thing I would do is leave that stuff in a hotel room. Maybe find a gun store with a safe and have them lock the guns up. Even if you had to pay something. It would be a lot better than having all those guns stolen and trying to explain to the cops why you left that much firepower in the hotel room.
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wrightme
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 01:06 am |
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crazyinca wrote: .45acp wrote: Thank folks for the replys,
I decided to get a hotel in Reno (live the guns there) and drive to Colusa Monday morning. Should be about a 2.5 hour drive or so. Several of the weapons are considered AW by Cali. I'm a native son of the golden state, and I sure have sympathy for the gunners that live there.
The last thing I would do is leave that stuff in a hotel room. Maybe find a gun store with a safe and have them lock the guns up. Even if you had to pay something. It would be a lot better than having all those guns stolen and trying to explain to the cops why you left that much firepower in the hotel room.
Back up a few posts.....
.45acp wrote: I suspect that Cali will be a problem. I may just stay in Reno, leave the guns and wife in a hotel and drive on over the hill.
I have not been to Cali since the early 80's with good reason.
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crazyinca
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 03:55 pm |
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Sorry, didn't see that.
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poothrowingape
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 08:03 pm |
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mjones wrote:
What step caused you to fail? I can say with absolute certainty that if that chart says you have an unregistered AW, then you do.
Not knowing what's stamped on the receiver, a generic (non named in appendix B or C) SKS with a FIXED 10rd mag should be a non-assault weapon.
If you registered it as a CA Assault Weapon then it doesn't matter - just make sure you follow all the Registered Assault Weapon (RAW) Legislation.
I had many of these before my tragic boating accident...I miss them, but I'm happy to have survived.
I failed because of the question(is it in apendix A?) When i have the norinco type 56.
However i noticed lower on the list it says "SKS with detatchable Mag". So what does that cancel it out or something?
ANYHOW i know its legal because well...its legal. lol and an ATF agent inspected it. that has to mean something.
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mjones
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 08:51 pm |
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poothrowingape wrote: mjones wrote:
What step caused you to fail? I can say with absolute certainty that if that chart says you have an unregistered AW, then you do.
Not knowing what's stamped on the receiver, a generic (non named in appendix B or C) SKS with a FIXED 10rd mag should be a non-assault weapon.
If you registered it as a CA Assault Weapon then it doesn't matter - just make sure you follow all the Registered Assault Weapon (RAW) Legislation.
I had many of these before my tragic boating accident...I miss them, but I'm happy to have survived.
I failed because of the question(is it in apendix A?) When i have the norinco type 56.
However i noticed lower on the list it says "SKS with detatchable Mag". So what does that cancel it out or something?
ANYHOW i know its legal because well...its legal. lol and an ATF agent inspected it. that has to mean something.
Unfortunately for you, no it doesn't cancel out - if your upper is stamped Norinco 56 and you didn't register it as an assault weapon with the state of CA, you are in possession of an unregisterd AW (per CA law as noted on the flowchart)
There is no exemption for 'detachible magazine' for that specific model that I've ever heard of - I would recommend looking for further advice at CalGuns.net.
Also keep in mind that a BATF agent is very unlikely to know the specifics of CA State Law as a Federal Agent. He might have looked at it and gave it the go-ahead so far as the (now expired) federal AW ban was concerned. Either way I highly suggest that you investigate this as discreetly as possible - again, CalGuns.net is the place to get definitive info.
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poothrowingape
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 09:08 pm |
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| update! its actually not a 56 its just an sks. doesnt say 56 on the gun. Last edited on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 09:08 pm by poothrowingape
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.45acp
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 07:43 pm |
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Hi Folks,
Well the trip to Colusa was uneventful and successful, now I need to start thinking about what guns I'll take with me and a CCP. Since LOC is out of the question in Cali, I'm looking in to living in Sutter county as it seems that the issuance of CCP's is more liberal that some of the surrounding counties. Does anybody have insight they can share regarding this.
As side note; we stayed at Circus Circus in Reno, they have a no firearms on the premises policy. I found this out fairly quickly when I got out a valet parking and headed for the door. They do not allow even a pistol in your room. Of course if I had only one pistol, it would have been a moot issue, but I had an entire luggage cart of gun cases I thought about explaining that they were musical instrument cases . The security guys were great, polite and respectful of OC but explained the hotel policy. I checked my arms into their gun cabinet and went on about our business.
Thanks to all that have participated in this thread.
Steve
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CA_Libertarian
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 11:39 pm |
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Interesting... I wonder if this is a new policy. Last year when I went to Reno I openly carried around Circus Circus for about 2 hours with no problems. And I know at least one uniformed guard noticed... maybe he was new?
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