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poothrowingape
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:17 am |
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| Can i OC/CC an expandable baton?
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demnogis
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:23 am |
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AFAIK Expandable Batons or ASPs are LEO-Only.
Actually... I may be quite wrong. The only thing I was able to find relevant to batons or collapsible batons referred to LEOs and security guards and a license to carry one...
Last edited on Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:28 am by demnogis
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poothrowingape
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:26 am |
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| ya but thats while on duty right? Last edited on Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:33 am by poothrowingape
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MudCamper
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:50 am |
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Just about any bludgeoning weapon is illegal per 12020.
Fixed blade knives of any length are legal as long as they are not concealed.
Folding knives of any length are legal, concealed, although some local jurisdictions have restrictions. Assisted opening folders are also legal.
Pepper spray is legal.
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N6ATF
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:52 am |
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poothrowingape wrote: ya but thats while on duty right?
Non-LEO, non-licensed and baton permitted uniformed security guards, or those who don't regularly sell to either are prohibited from possessing batons or clubs of any type.
PC 12020
Last edited on Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:54 am by N6ATF
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bigtoe416
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 06:11 am |
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I think a baton or pr-24 falls under the 12020 "blackjack" exemption. It isn't exactly the most clear statute, so I could very well be wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_(law_enforcement)
12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable
firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a
firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which
contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or
carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst
trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any
short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any
leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol,
any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge
knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice
handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon
of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy,
sandclub, sap, or sandbag. |
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Lead Lobber
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 07:08 am |
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Sandbag? Watch out for floods! 
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CA_Libertarian
State Researcher
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 10:49 am |
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N6ATF wrote: Non-LEO, non-licensed and baton permitted uniformed security guards, or those who don't regularly sell to either are prohibited from possessing batons or clubs of any type.
PC 12020
Double-check your citation there... I can't find where it says "batons or clubs of any type"... and I can't find "expandable baton" anywhere on the list.
(I seem to remember there being a code prohibiting possession of them, but I don't think 12020 is it, and I can't find it, so now I'm second-guessing myself.)
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yelohamr
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 04:59 pm |
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Carry a baseball bat and locate nearby batting cages. Unles you qualify under the below section.
12002. (a) Nothing in this chapter prohibits police officers,
special police officers, peace officers, or law enforcement officers
from carrying any wooden club, baton, or any equipment authorized for
the enforcement of law or ordinance in any city or county.
(b) Nothing in this chapter prohibits a uniformed security guard,
regularly employed and compensated by a person engaged in any lawful
business, while actually employed and engaged in protecting and
preserving property or life within the scope of his or her
employment, from carrying any wooden club or baton if the uniformed
security guard has satisfactorily completed a course of instruction
certified by the Department of Consumer Affairs in the carrying and
use of the club or baton. The training institution certified by the
Department of Consumer Affairs to present this course, whether public
or private, is authorized to charge a fee covering the cost of the
training.
(c) The Department of Consumer Affairs, in cooperation with the
Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, shall develop
standards for a course in the carrying and use of the club or baton.
(d) Any uniformed security guard who successfully completes a
course of instruction under this section is entitled to receive a
permit to carry and use a club or baton within the scope of his or
her employment, issued by the Department of Consumer Affairs. The
department may authorize certified training institutions to issue
permits to carry and use a club or baton. A fee in the amount
provided by law shall be charged by the Department of Consumer
Affairs to offset the costs incurred by the department in course
certification, quality control activities associated with the course,
and issuance of the permit.
(e) Any person who has received a permit or certificate which
indicates satisfactory completion of a club or baton training course
approved by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training
prior to January 1, 1983, shall not be required to obtain a baton or
club permit or complete a course certified by the Department of
Consumer Affairs.
(f) Any person employed as a county sheriff's or police security
officer, as defined in Section 831.4, shall not be required to obtain
a club or baton permit or to complete a course certified by the
Department of Consumer Affairs in the carrying and use of a club or
baton, provided that the person completes a course approved by the
Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training in the carrying
and use of the club or baton, within 90 days of employment.
(g) Nothing in this chapter prohibits an animal control officer,
as described in Section 830.9, or an illegal dumping enforcement
officer, as described in Section 830.7, from carrying any wooden club
or baton if the animal control officer or illegal dumping
enforcement officer has satisfactorily completed a course of
instruction certified by the Department of Consumer Affairs in the
carrying and use of the club or baton. The training institution
certified by the Department of Consumer Affairs to present this
course, whether public or private, is authorized to charge a fee
covering the cost of the training.
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MudCamper
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:17 pm |
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yelohamr wrote: Carry a baseball bat and locate nearby batting cages. Unles you qualify under the below section.
Careful. People get charged and successfully convicted for carrying baseball bats all the time. Not worth it IMO, especially considering you can legally carry a knife.
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N6ATF
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 06:25 pm |
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CA_Libertarian wrote: N6ATF wrote: Non-LEO, non-licensed and baton permitted uniformed security guards, or those who don't regularly sell to either are prohibited from possessing batons or clubs of any type.
PC 12020
Double-check your citation there... I can't find where it says "batons or clubs of any type"... and I can't find "expandable baton" anywhere on the list.
(I seem to remember there being a code prohibiting possession of them, but I don't think 12020 is it, and I can't find it, so now I'm second-guessing myself.)
Billy, short for billy club, also known as cudgel, baton, truncheon, night stick, sap and bludgeon.
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yelohamr
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 08:02 pm |
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MudCamper wrote: yelohamr wrote: Carry a baseball bat and locate nearby batting cages. Unles you qualify under the below section.
Careful. People get charged and successfully convicted for carrying baseball bats all the time. Not worth it IMO, especially considering you can legally carry a knife.
I meant that as sarcasm, sorry I didn't indicate it that way.
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pullnshoot25
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 08:26 pm |
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Snake whips, bull whips, sjamboks, hiking staffs, canes are legal and umbrellas are all legal.
Anyone up for making a collapsible monopod for a camera?
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Decoligny
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 08:30 pm |
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I personally carry my cane with me most everywhere. My knee doesn't always bother me, but if I am walking and it starts to hurt, I am always glad that I have my cane with me.
If confronted by a situation that requires me to defend myself from attack, then I will use whatever ordinary implements I have on hand as "improvised weapons". They are not weapons, but can be used as weapons if needed.
A ball point pen is not a stabbing weapon, however, you can stab someone with a ball point pen.
A leather belt with a heavy buckle is not a "slung shot", however, it can be used effectively in the same manner as a slung shot. For those who don't know what a slung shot is, it is pictured below.
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yelohamr
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 08:48 pm |
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Wear a tool belt and open carry a hammer.
When I fly to MO every year, I carry2 golf balls and a pair of socks in my carry on bag...along with a cane.
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Decoligny
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 08:52 pm |
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yelohamr wrote: Wear a tool belt and open carry a hammer.
When I fly to MO every year, I carry2 golf balls and a pair of socks in my carry on bag...along with a cane.
A nice glass paperweight works well in a sock.
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MudCamper
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 10:22 pm |
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OK. Somebody had to post the unbreakable umbrella sooner or later:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO8G5zsQohg
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Sons of Liberty
Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 06:18 am |
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MudCamper wrote: OK. Somebody had to post the unbreakable umbrella sooner or later:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO8G5zsQohg
Does it come in white?
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CA_Libertarian
State Researcher
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 08:46 am |
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N6ATF wrote: CA_Libertarian wrote: N6ATF wrote: Non-LEO, non-licensed and baton permitted uniformed security guards, or those who don't regularly sell to either are prohibited from possessing batons or clubs of any type.
PC 12020
Double-check your citation there... I can't find where it says "batons or clubs of any type"... and I can't find "expandable baton" anywhere on the list.
(I seem to remember there being a code prohibiting possession of them, but I don't think 12020 is it, and I can't find it, so now I'm second-guessing myself.)
Billy, short for billy club, also known as cudgel, baton, truncheon, night stick, sap and bludgeon.
Citation?
Most of your list are different items, though all are bludgeoning weapons. Some of them are enumerated in the statute, which IMO indicates only enumerated forms of bludgeoning weapons are intended to be prohibited.
I'm still fairly certain batons are banned, but I'm interested in seeing the proof.
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Lead Lobber
Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 09:38 am |
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California pretty much prohibits persons defending themselves - weapons like this are generally outlawed. You can't order one of those, or a sword cane, for example. Gold Knuckles? Forget it. Move to Venus - weapons for self-protection are allowed there, and at other ports in the universe, if you can swing the import tax.
I bought one of those Irish "black thorn" canes because I'm a diabetic with failing lower limbs - it's one tough stick, but I'd rather have a gun.
But only a long gun would help my dying legs.Last edited on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 09:46 am by Lead Lobber
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