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ConditionThree
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 02:07 am |
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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_1601-1650/ab_1645_bill_20070910_enrolled.html
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:
SECTION 1. Section 8571.5 is added to the Government Code, to
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8571.5. Nothing in this article shall authorize the seizure or
confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is
lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm or ammunition, or
authorize any order to that effect, provided however, that a peace
officer who is acting in his or her official capacity may disarm an
individual if the officer reasonably believes it is immediately
necessary for the protection of the officer or another individual.
The officer shall return the firearm to the individual before
discharging the individual, unless the officer arrests that
individual or seizes the firearm as evidence pursuant to an
investigation for the commission of a crime.
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CA_Libertarian
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 09:16 am |
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Score one for the good guys.
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ConditionThree
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 02:47 pm |
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CA_Libertarian wrote: Score one for the good guys.
Okay- just playing Devil's Advocate, but-
What would happen if a Federal, State or local government agency does begin confiscating weapons in a state of emergency? Crack open the code and tell them they cant?
I believe that this legislation is well intended, however I dont believe that it really strengthens the 2A, since the language stipulates a peace officer may seize a weapon pending an investigation of an arrestable offense. Further, this law is somewhat redundant, in that its intent to preserve liberty is already cannonized in the 2A. If we were to really benefit from this, I think it would be necessary to have this law reaffirm a true individual right to keep and bear arms without abrigdement by any govermnent agency.
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dng
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 02:52 pm |
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| If I am an innocent civilian, have done nothing wrong, and the government comes to my house like during Katrina, I'm sorry, but I am not handing my gun over. I couldn't live with myself if I do exactly what the people of GB and Australia did. If you can't live free, why would I want to live. Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty or give me death." That call is starting to ring louder and more clearly, and I fear some day soon we will be forced to make difficult choices.
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Agent19
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 03:56 pm |
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Molōn labe! 
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stingray4540
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 04:03 pm |
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ConditionThree wrote:
What would happen if a Federal, State or local government agency does begin confiscating weapons in a state of emergency? Crack open the code and tell them they cant?
Tell them that it is against the law, they can't take them, and you won't give them, slam the door shut, lock it, and load everything you've got, and waite for the door to get kicked in.
If the founding fathers thought freedom worth dying for, then so do I. I will die before I give them to the government, but hopefully I wouldn't be the only one, and I won't have to die, and the government will be reminded that it is the people who run this country, not a fascist government.
I'm not using my computer, so I don't have it, but I believe that there is a quote from one of our founding fathers that says something to the effect that there should be an uprising ever 20 years, to keep the Government in check. Unfortunately, not to many U.S. citizens out there have the balls or organizational capacity to stand up to a Government that's gotten too big for it's britches.
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dng
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 04:09 pm |
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stingray4540 wrote: I'm not using my computer, so I don't have it, but I believe that there is a quote from one of our founding fathers that says something to the effect that there should be an uprising ever 20 years, to keep the Government in check.
I am doing this from memory*
Thomas Jefferson said "the Liberty Tree must be watered with the blood of patriots every 20 years."
Or something like that...
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stingray4540
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 06:19 pm |
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"... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950) Here it is.
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MudCamper
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 06:31 pm |
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I just purchased a 600 pound gun safe. Honestly, one of the reasons I did was because of the news stories I saw where cops were disarming citizens. If they come to my house they might get the one or two guns that I have out of the safe, but I will not open it for them. That's my simple solution.
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CA_Libertarian
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Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2007 03:41 am |
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I love the responses here. My reply was a bit tongue-in-cheek; I'm just trying not to sound so pessimistic as I usually do.
I share the general sentiment you all have shared.
Live Free or Die.
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cato
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Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2007 04:25 am |
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And I welcome eveybody to the no fly list.
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ConditionThree
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Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2007 04:28 am |
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cato wrote: And I welcome eveybody to the no fly list.
Now why would anyone want to fly without being armed against a possible terrorist highjacking?
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stingray4540
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Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2007 05:19 am |
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cato wrote: And I welcome eveybody to the no fly list. Unnecessary rant about a joke. Never mind.
Last edited on Wed Oct 17th, 2007 05:20 am by stingray4540
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Agent19
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Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2007 02:33 pm |
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| I hate being searched and refuse to travel without a sufficient means of defense. Last edited on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 08:35 pm by Agent19
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Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2007 11:43 pm |
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| NRA says," From my cold dead hands", I say, "NOT EVEN from my cold dead @#$%ing hands." They will never take my guns. "Give me liberty or give me death." I''ve already made my choice!
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preacher
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Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 12:58 pm |
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ConditionThree wrote: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_1601-1650/ab_1645_bill_20070910_enrolled.html
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:
SECTION 1. Section 8571.5 is added to the Government Code, to
read:
8571.5. Nothing in this article shall authorize the seizure or
confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is
lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm or ammunition, or
authorize any order to that effect, provided however, that a peace
officer who is acting in his or her official capacity may disarm an
individual if the officer reasonably believes it is immediately
necessary for the protection of the officer or another individual.
The officer shall return the firearm to the individual before
discharging the individual, unless the officer arrests that
individual or seizes the firearm as evidence pursuant to an
investigation for the commission of a crime.
Whew!!!
I'm sure glad they made it illegal to infinge the right of the people to keep and bear arms. They did the same thing in many states because of what happen here in New Orleans.
Ultimately though, the laws do not seem to stop them. Consider how many times members here get arrested for legally going about their business.
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crazyinca
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 11:45 pm |
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16 State Senators voted against this bill. I have tried to find their names but can't. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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Sons of Liberty
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Posted: Sat Jul 4th, 2009 04:18 am |
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dng wrote: ... Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty or give me death." That call is starting to ring louder and more clearly, and I fear some day soon we will be forced to make difficult choices.
Every newborn comes with the pains of labor. I can hear the bells way over here.
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ConsideringOC
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Posted: Sat Jul 4th, 2009 06:35 am |
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| Ok.... but you and your spouse get into an argument. She convinces a judge that she is afraid of you. You havent done anything wrong.... But he issues a DV Temporary Restaining Order.... You now have to turn over your weapons!
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Sons of Liberty
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Posted: Sat Jul 4th, 2009 07:54 am |
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ConsideringOC wrote: Ok.... but you and your spouse get into an argument. She convinces a judge that she is afraid of you. You havent done anything wrong.... But he issues a DV Temporary Restaining Order.... You now have to turn over your weapons!
Rule #1: Your wife is always right.
Rule #2: Refer to rule #1 if you ever feel like arguing with her.
Result: You get along with your wife and you keep your guns!
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