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entartet17
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 06:04 am |
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I just thought I would post a recent experience I had at a local Burger King while open carrying. I went into the place with my friend around 9:00 PM (we were the only ones there) and walked up to the counter. The cashier noticed my gun and seemed quite interested. He didnt know that one can open carry in Colorado without a permit. He was actually really impressed. He went and told everyone else that was working because he thought it was cool. And then he said that he hoped that if they ever were to get robbed that I would be there. It was actually a pretty nice change from the usual negative responses I get here in Aurora.
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FogRider
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 06:22 am |
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Cool! Which BK if you don't mind my asking?
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entartet17
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 06:45 am |
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It was the BK on Iliff and Buckley.
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Evil Ernie
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 06:55 am |
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Good job Ent!!!
I kinda wish sometimes that the one you just educated would keep it to themselves, at least til you leave. That many employees (5-10) plus a shift super, there's bound to be a whistleblower, buzzkill, or just plain anti looking to start trouble.
Good job regardless!!!!
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Anubis
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 10:02 pm |
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entartet17 wrote: ...It was actually a pretty nice change from the usual negative responses I get here in Aurora.
I am particularly interested in any other OC experiences and locations in the Aurora area you have had. If you have the time, please report. Thanks.
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FogRider
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 10:52 pm |
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I think that might be the only one in Aurora I haven't been in. On the whole, my experiences in Aurora/Centennial have been pretty good. Except for the one incident with anti-OC cops in a theater, everyone has been at least neutral if not positive. Assuming of course they even notice.
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entartet17
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 01:29 am |
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Anubis wrote
I am particularly interested in any other OC experiences and locations in the Aurora area you have had. If you have the time, please report. Thanks.
I open carry pretty much everywhere and most of the time either nobody notices or they dont care. Recently, however, I've had a lot of negative experiences even in places that I've carried before with no problems.
I've been asked to leave the properties of Target (Alameda and Sable), Sam's Club (on Abilene), Century 16 Theaters (by the mall), King Soopers (an anti complained to a manager at the one on Tower and Hampden), the Walmart at Southlands (by a cop who was there), Barnes and Noble, and a few other places in only the past month or so. I have carried in all of these places before with no problems until now. They all said pretty much the same thing: that CC is fine but no OC. Of course, none of these businesses have it posted.
Before this string of problems, the only part of Aurora that I ever had trouble in was Old Aurora.
I followed up with some of these incidents (Walmart, Target, Barnes and Noble) and they all said that their policy was to allow OC and that I shouldnt have been asked to leave. I havent been back to any of these stores yet.
I've also had a couple problems in central Aurora with some anti-OC cops (District 2). Obviously I wasnt doing anything illegal but they were quite persistant in that I should only CC.
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FogRider
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 08:14 am |
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Century 16 was where I was asked to conceal. Being new to OC, and really wanting to see the movie, I went ahead and concealed.
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Anubis
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 02:19 pm |
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| The experiences reported above confirm other anecdotes about OC in Aurora. Apparently the Aurora Police Department has an unwritten policy to suppress OC. A few weeks ago, I emailed Chief Oates specifically asking how the APD would react to a MWAG call on someone who was OCing (would he be charged with disturbing the peace, etc.). I didn't really expect any result, just wanted to see what his reaction was, if any, to my query. He replied that APD's policy was not to state in advance what they would do in any particular situation Last edited on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 02:19 pm by Anubis
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entartet17
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 05:04 pm |
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Anubis wrote: He replied that APD's policy was not to state in advance what they would do in any particular situation
Well that's a great non-answer. That certainly doesnt bolster my confidence in the APD.
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SANDCREEK
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 06:28 pm |
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I would personally not OC into a movie theatre. During the showing of the movie (lights out) you are no longer OC'ing. The weapon is concealed by darkness. If I were operating the theatre- I would not allow OC either. Bad location. Remembering that even the First Amendment is restricted in crowded theatres ???
The other locations cited suggest something other than a holstered side-arm may be creating concern.
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FogRider
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 06:31 pm |
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1: So, how would I OC at night?
2: It doesn't matter how alarmed someone gets, a peaceably carried sidearm does not warrant alarm.
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centsi
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 08:56 pm |
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OC means that YOU are not making any attempt to conceal your weapon, regardless of your surroundings. OC at night or in a dark place is still OC. Being cited for illegal CC while OCing in a dark theater makes as much sense as a blind cop citing you for CC because he couldn't "see" your weapon.
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SANDCREEK
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 10:18 pm |
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| Split those fine "hairs" any way you wish - OC'ing in a crowded movie theatre - bumping up against other bodies - what's the point ? Demonstrating that you CAN ? OK... keep pushing - and it won't be long the Colorado General Assembly will remove the OC option altogether. If the concept of "prudence" is beyond your grasp - have at it.
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centsi
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 10:33 pm |
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I'm not trying to offend you, I just don't understand your point as it relates to darkness in a theater. If it's just the aspect of a crowded venue, I understand that and extra caution should always be taken when OCing in those situations. But why avoid OC because it is dark?
Last edited on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 10:35 pm by centsi
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FogRider
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 11:10 pm |
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SANDCREEK wrote: Split those fine "hairs" any way you wish - OC'ing in a crowded movie theatre - bumping up against other bodies - what's the point ? Demonstrating that you CAN ? OK... keep pushing - and it won't be long the Colorado General Assembly will remove the OC option altogether. If the concept of "prudence" is beyond your grasp - have at it.
What's not prudent about it? Beyond the police not liking it, I've never had a problem.
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entartet17
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Posted: Tue Sep 9th, 2008 02:40 am |
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Just one more recent encounter. Earlier this morning my wife and I were doing some shopping around Arapahoe Crossing. We went in 5 or 6 stores while I was OCing and we didnt have any problems (we never have). We then went over to the TGI Friday's at Chambers and Parker for lunch. It was only 11:15 so there werent very many people. They seated us but then the manager came up to our table and asked me if I had a permit to carry my gun. I briefly explained the law and that no permit was required for OC. He was fine with that, but he said if another customer complained he would ask us to leave. I asked him why our patronage wasnt as important as some anti's but he wouldnt answer.
Last edited on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 02:41 am by entartet17
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SANDCREEK
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Posted: Tue Sep 9th, 2008 03:09 pm |
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entartet17 wrote: We then went over to the TGI Friday's at Chambers and Parker for lunch. It was only 11:15 so there werent very many people. They seated us but then the manager came up to our table and asked me if I had a permit to carry my gun. I briefly explained the law and that no permit was required for OC. He was fine with that, but he said if another customer complained he would ask us to leave. I asked him why our patronage wasnt as important as some anti's but he wouldnt answer.
Perhaps your response could be ... "As a matter of fact I do(if you have a CHP), but a "permit" is not required to lawfully wear an unconcealed firearm in Colorado. Now, are YOU going to take our order, or is someone else responsibile for that? If not this conversation is over, and we'll take our business to another resturaunt."
He has inquired as to whether or not you have a "permit". You are not required to show him or anyone else for that matter - a "permit" to lawfully wear a firearm unconcealed in Colorado. If he insist that you present for his satisfaction some "official authority" for being lawfully armed on premises under his control , he's not going to "get it" - so just depart with your wallet. We here shall make note of TGI Friday's "difficulty" with civil rights and spend our $$$$ elsewhere.
Your "official" status for OC is none of his business. I think we need to "cut to the chase" with these civil rights violators and boycott them. Sometimes that is the best "education". Communication with "corporate" also to give them the option of respecting civil rights - or not.
Last edited on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 03:47 pm by SANDCREEK
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Chief_of_Scouts
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 01:14 pm |
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I think it is still more of a case of "uninformed" than "civil rights violators".
I have several coworkers that have a Colorado CHP and have no idea they can carry openly, even without a permit. They are now informed.
Last edited on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 01:15 pm by Chief_of_Scouts
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SANDCREEK
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 02:44 pm |
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It's often said that approximately 85 % of the population never have a clue. Being knowledgeable on matters of the law are not a priority for them. They pay attention (usually) to traffic signs, but that's about it. Ignorance of the OPTION or concerns over potential hassles if they excercise the option - That's why we who OC are so few.
I had a bit of trepidation on the first couple occassions. I'll admit that my being retired enables me to excercise the option more than the guys & gals that have to punch a time clock, but they can still OC when out and about. There are days and occassions where I don't feel up to the "task" of OC, but that is rare anymore.
I was OC at a SUBWAY the other day - a frequent target of armed robberies in last year - had no problems - was very well received. Everyone in the sandwich shop took notice. NONE took exception or seemed "alarmed" or even disturbed. People are very busy in their life routines. The notion that OC is going to stand out like a neon billboard is just not the case. One CAN attract unfavorable attention to themselves I suppose, but most likely - they'll be virtually unnoticed.
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