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A step backward in Colorado Springs
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Flyer22
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 Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 06:43 pm
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I was at the Penrose library this morning and saw a new sign prohibiting OC.  I talked to one of the security people about it.  The signs were actually put up this morning and all branches either have them up by now or soon will.

He said that somebody had complained about the absence of signage.  PPLD apparently has had a policy prohibiting OC for some time, but until now they hadn't taken steps to make it valid.  (See "Rules for a Safe Environment" on link.)
http://library.ppld.org/AboutYourLibrary/admin/Policies/CodeofConduct.asp

Back several years ago when that guy (Ortega?) started carrying a shotgun into City Council, PPLD administration talked about posting signs, but never did.

He also told me about an incident that happened several years ago when he was on duty.  A private investigator OC'ed and a panicked sheeple called the police.

He was very friendly and didn't agree with the policy, but he isn't in a position to affect policy.

hansolo
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 Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 04:50 pm
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@#$%! I just asked them about their policies!

Maybe my comments made them put signs up??

WTF!



On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:38 PM, wrote:

Ok. Thanks for all your help!

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Dean, Sydne <sdean@ppld.org> wrote:

Dear Mr.:

The Library Board of Trustees approved a policy prohibiting the open carrying of fire arms in October 2003. The policy is based upon Colorado Revised Statute29-11.7-104. Sincerely, Sydne Dean Associate Director of Public Services


On Monday, June 08, 2009 11:31 AM To: Dean, Sydne Subject: Re: Fire arms in the Library

I do thank you for your reply. I am not understanding the ban of openly carried weapons, because Colorado has no such law against them. Thank you,

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Dean, Sydne <sdean@ppld.org> wrote:

Dear Mr. :

I have received your question about fire arms. The Library policy states that an open display of weapons is not allowed in the library concealed weapons that are not legally licensed are prohibited in the library. This does follow Colorado Revised Statute 18-12-105 on concealed weapons. Sincerely, Sydne Dean Associate Director of Public Services

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 Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 08:45 pm
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hansolo wrote: @#$%! I just asked them about their policies!

Maybe my comments made them put signs up??

WTF!

Are you telling us you ASKED them what their policy was??? 

There is a reason for don't ask don't tell.

hansolo
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 Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 08:47 pm
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I haven't been to the Library since I was like 12, and I remember a metal detector and a guard. I do not want to go, walk through the thing, and get freaking arrested.

Preemption also states that building with metal detectors are gun-free.

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 Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 10:35 pm
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Are you sure those are metal detectors and not just theft deterrent sensors?

Flyer22
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 Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 12:24 am
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The guy I asked about it didn't give too many specifics, but I got a strong impression that whoever it was knew about their written policy and was upset that they didn't have the signs up to make the policy enforceable.

ooghost1oo
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 Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 03:54 pm
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They're not metal detectors. They're anti-theft things.

I guess we can always slip in through the security / book drop entrance. ;)

hansolo
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 Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 04:09 pm
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Flyer22 wrote: The guy I asked about it didn't give too many specifics, but I got a strong impression that whoever it was knew about their written policy and was upset that they didn't have the signs up to make the policy enforceable.
I am relived to know that it was probably not me.


Like I said, I was like 12, so I assumed it was a metal detector because you walked through it on your way in.

Gunslinger
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 Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 06:07 pm
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There are numerous places that prohibit OC, even in the Springs. CCW is the answer.

opencarrybilly
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 Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 11:18 pm
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ccw is not the answer to anything.  It's UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!!!

Woa!! Bill !!  Please, folks, forgive the way I said this.  Not nice.

For some time now, I have been lamenting the rancor we see in discussions in all kinds of forums and have wished we could all be nicer.  Sorry.

I hope you will all accept my apology.

Last edited on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 12:18 am by opencarrybilly


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