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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 01:03 am |
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airgunner23 wrote: JUMPMASTER wrote: She is lucky you didn't have her arrested for causing you annoyance, alarm, inconvience, and grief. : )
HE is VERY lucky he didn't get arrested had she called in "man with a gun". According to the SFLU and BFPE, you are to make EVERY effort to keep your firearm concealed because if you don't and it "causes alarm" to another person, you risk arrest and losing your permit. This was a direct response on the BFPE FAQ section on their website. There was a lot of good stuff there but, unfortunately, they took most of it down because people were citing it as legal advice, which it was NOT. Remember the guy at Chili's who went in to pick up his take out and his pistol was exposed? A LOT of legal trouble for that guy.
I know it isn't in the LAW, but those two units, especially the SFLU, make the rules and that's what they go by. Just like defining the AK-47 "type" and what qualifies under the assault weapons ban. Show me where that is codified in the law ANYWHERE. You can't...because it's not there...
Let's not turn this into a flame war - I understand what airgunner is saying and I think he's right.
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This is also exactly the thing that we've all been trying to change. I respect the law and those who are charged with enforcing it, but they've started to enforce rules that very clearly have not been written into law.
Our system of government intentionally puts a sharp dividing line between the people who make the laws and the people who enforce them. This prevents any one person or group of people from obtaining too much power and walking all over your liberties.
If they pass a law stating that I cannot carry open, I'll stop doing it (or I'll move out of the state). But so far they haven't.
The way I see it, open carry is a form of peaceful protest against an unjust set of restrictions invented by the DPS. My decision is to choose liberty over a little temporary safety and to continue to open carry, ignoring any imaginary laws that have not been passed by the CT legislature. Maybe we will succeed in changing things in CT, or maybe I'll get arrested and people will call me an idiot.
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 01:27 am |
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Decoligny wrote: airgunner23 wrote: Decoligny wrote:
If you aren't willing to stand up for your rights, you are in effect laying down and willingly allowing them to be trampled.
Thank God for those of us who are willing.
And exactly how much activism/standing up for your rights have you done in one of the most firearm restrictive states in the nation? Hmmm? Statewide concealed carry? Get rid of those retarded looking AR-15s because you can't even have a pistol grip? 
Well, for one of the most restrictive states in the nation there is a hell of a lot going on here as California is indeed the front lines of the 2nd Amendment battles in the nation right now.
The Nordyke v. Kings County case just got the 2nd Amendment Incorporated at the state and local level. This was the stepping stone we have been waiting for to start overthrowing many of the restrictive gun laws here. There are several Federal lawsuits that have just been filed that are addressing "Shall Issue" versus "May Issue" and getting the "approved" handgun list thrown out.
I have open carried in my own neck of the woods for a couple of years now.
My open carry pamphlet (downloaded 5,000 times) has given other Californians vital information necessary to legally open carry and not go to jail. It has been distributed to all 57 District Attorney's Offices, and to almost all of the County Sheriff's Offices.
I have open carried in San Diego at many of the group get togethers and spoken with many police officers to help educate them about the legalities of open carry.
What exactly have you done? Other than Trolling on this site? Not much is what I would say.
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it."
--chinese proverb
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MGoduto
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airgunner23 wrote: JUMPMASTER wrote: She is lucky you didn't have her arrested for causing you annoyance, alarm, inconvience, and grief. : )
HE is VERY lucky he didn't get arrested had she called in "man with a gun". According to the SFLU and BFPE, you are to make EVERY effort to keep your firearm concealed because if you don't and it "causes alarm" to another person, you risk arrest and losing your permit. This was a direct response on the BFPE FAQ section on their website. There was a lot of good stuff there but, unfortunately, they took most of it down because people were citing it as legal advice, which it was NOT. Remember the guy at Chili's who went in to pick up his take out and his pistol was exposed? A LOT of legal trouble for that guy.
I know it isn't in the LAW, but those two units, especially the SFLU, make the rules and that's what they go by. Just like defining the AK-47 "type" and what qualifies under the assault weapons ban. Show me where that is codified in the law ANYWHERE. You can't...because it's not there...
There's no requirement in CT state law to conceal, and no where in state law is OC prohibited. Nothing in the language on the permit mentions 'concealed' and it isn't titled as a CCW.
The SLFU doesn't make the law, and have gotten away with spreading that 'alarm' bulls*** far too long. If you read the breach-of-peace statute it's a huge stretch to apply it to someone who's OC-ing.
Actually, the whole 'Goldberg at Chili's' situation turned out ok for the guy. Judge Norko threw the charges out, he got his permit back without having to go before the review board, and his federal lawsuits are in process.
I OC quite a bit, and have never had a problem.
stay safe....
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 08:25 am |
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Can she ask me what I do for a living and why I'm armed? Let me think a moment.
Ahh, I've got it. HELL, NO!
It does no good to toady to the likes of her. They won't be mollified by a courteous demeanor and a calm recitation of the laws. Civility is viewed as weakness and merely encourages their hostility.
On top of all that, I loathe being accosted in public by strangers.
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 05:33 pm |
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Lank wrote:
Let's not turn this into a flame war - I understand what airgunner is saying and I think he's right.
Bingo! 
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 05:35 pm |
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Lank wrote: My decision is to choose liberty over a little temporary safety and to continue to open carry, ignoring any imaginary laws that have not been passed by the CT legislature. Maybe we will succeed in changing things in CT, or maybe I'll get arrested and people will call me an idiot.
I highly suspect the latter would happen. And I will agree that OC is inherently legal because it's not prohibited. Is it smart? No, but consider this. They can't make an OC charge stick, but they CAN make a breach of peace or public disturbance charge stick. That's what you'd be arrested for and that IS against the LAW.
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 05:39 pm |
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airgunner23 wrote: Lank wrote: My decision is to choose liberty over a little temporary safety and to continue to open carry, ignoring any imaginary laws that have not been passed by the CT legislature. Maybe we will succeed in changing things in CT, or maybe I'll get arrested and people will call me an idiot.
I highly suspect the latter would happen. And I will agree that OC is inherently legal because it's not prohibited. Is it smart? No, but consider this.
That is strictly opinion. It is not agreed by all. You feel that way. Others feel differently. To expect others to agree with you is to project YOUR opinion onto others. Suppressing lawful behavior.
In the words of Lank, "my decision." Not YOUR decision.
airgunner23 wrote: Lank wrote: My decision is to choose liberty over a little temporary safety and to continue to open carry, ignoring any imaginary laws that have not been passed by the CT legislature. Maybe we will succeed in changing things in CT, or maybe I'll get arrested and people will call me an idiot.
They can't make an OC charge stick, but they CAN make a breach of peace or public disturbance charge stick. That's what you'd be arrested for and that IS against the LAW.
And arguably leave themselves open to a hefty lawsuit. That is a severe warping of any "breach of peace: or "public disturbance" law I have read. Lawful activity without intent to incite does not fit the definitions. Arrest and charge for such is not within statute.
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 05:49 pm |
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What is it with these CA and NV guys giving a sh^t about OC in CT???
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 06:12 pm |
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airgunner23 wrote: What is it with these CA and NV guys giving a sh^t about OC in CT???
OC and/or CC is a national issue, not a regional. it is key to 2nd Amendment, as in "bear arms." Some concepts such as lawful activity vs disorderly conduct are universal concepts.
pointing out where someone is from has nothing to do with these stated ideals.
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 06:22 pm |
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I understand. Abortion, gay marriage, firearms ownership/carry etc are national issues, too, but you won't see me b!tching in, say, a CA or NV or MO or FL forum about it. What started these 'tards even commenting on little bitty ol' CT?
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 06:59 pm |
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airgunner23 wrote: I understand. Abortion, gay marriage, firearms ownership/carry etc are national issues, too, but you won't see me b!tching in, say, a CA or NV or MO or FL forum about it. What started these 'tards even commenting on little bitty ol' CT?
Your abrasive attitude, and your wish to project YOUR desires upon others. You do not have a "lock" on the topic. Remember how we do not want to turn this into "flame wars?" Or is that your desire?
When you try to force others to agree with your chosen "smart" definition of actions, you attempt to deny the lawful activity of others. You also attempted to place law-making activity outside of a law-making body as a valid point. I do not agree, and freely point it out. It knows no state boundaries. Pointing it out is a simple ad hominem argument that does not hold water.
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:03 pm |
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Why are you out of staters making racket in the CT forum? Nobody seems to be able to answer that. Do you have so little to do in life that you b!tch in the NY, MA, MD, NJ, RI, IL, etc forums, too?
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:29 pm |
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airgunner23 wrote: Why are you out of staters making racket in the CT forum? Nobody seems to be able to answer that. Do you have so little to do in life that you b!tch in the NY, MA, MD, NJ, RI, IL, etc forums, too?
Why do you care? Who made you the "thread nanny?"
Why do you persist in badmouthing others for that reason? Do you have so little to do that you get some pleasure from doing so?
Back to the topic.
Who makes the laws in CT?
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:34 pm |
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Since you're so concerned about CT, YOU tell me.
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:34 pm |
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double tap...
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:56 pm |
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airgunner23 wrote: Since you're so concerned about CT, YOU tell me.
Since you seem to lack that tidbit, it is the legislative body of the State of Connecticut, except for any applicable Federal Statutes that may apply.
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:58 pm |
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I don't lack any "tidbit". YOU asked the question so YOU do the research.
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 08:21 pm |
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airgunner23 wrote: I don't lack any "tidbit". YOU asked the question so YOU do the research.
You seem to still lack that "tidbit." I provided it for you, and you seem to have missed that, eh?
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 08:24 pm |
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I think that I will unwatch this topic now. It started as a story of OC by a guy from CT in CT. Now it has turned to moronic chatter across state lines!
My final statement here is if you want to OC where it is legal, than do it. If a legal problem arises from it, THAN FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS, LIKE MANY HERE ARE WILLING TO DO.
If you are not willing to fight for the cause than shut up and just read about people who are !!!
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 08:26 pm |
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THE LOVER wrote: If you are not willing to fight for the cause than shut up and just read about people who are !!!
Settle down, Beavis. Everyone else has just as much right to say whatever they want as you do.
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