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buketdude
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 04:59 pm |
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I am not responsible for someone who breaks into my car and steals my firearm.(I think thats a felony) My doors are locked and my windows/sunroof are closed and I have an alarm...In terms of storage from minors...its a law here in CT...I don't believe its constitutional and its a complete waste...which is why the majority of states don't have this stupid law...but government always knows whats best...
just my opinion...
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 06:11 pm |
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buketdude wrote: I am not responsible for someone who breaks into my car and steals my firearm.(I think thats a felony) My doors are locked and my windows/sunroof are closed and I have an alarm...In terms of storage from minors...its a law here in CT...I don't believe its constitutional and its a complete waste...which is why the majority of states don't have this stupid law...but government always knows whats best...
just my opinion...
You seem to be confusing ethics and morality with the law. They aren't the same thing. Your responsibility, and its absolute, is to prevent your gun from getting into the wrong hands. Period.
I'm intentionally vague because there are ways to go about it that don't involve locking, but generally thats the easiest way to do things.
My old subaru has a space where if you unzipped a portion of the passenger side seat cover, you could store a gun. Before I had kids, I would on rare occasions stash a holstered gun in there for a few minutes.
Just look at NC Jones, for $30 he has a positive deterrent if someone breaks into his car. Most likely, they will not even attempt to steal the box.
Its very simple. If someone ends up with your gun, you @#$%ed up. Period. Its your responsibility to be an adult, judge the risks and do the right thing. If that means leaving it at home, then so be it.
I'll give you an example. I recently did consulting work for a fortune 50 company. I was working with the executive protection and the business continuity folks. I was NOT going to carry into their corporate headquarters in NY. I was catching the train in New Haven and usually carry when I'm in New Haven. On those trips I didn't carry. Why? Because the parking garage had a high risk of a break-in and I was not going to leave a gun in my car. The only ethical choices were to carry into NY or to leave the gun home.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 07:59 pm |
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And I have one of those $30 little lock boxes..I use it when i travel through Mass/NY, its in my trunk...I was just trying to confirm the legality of simply leaving it in my center console while at work/traveling (in ct). Its legal, thats fine. I am NOT responsible, morally or otherwise, if someone smashes my window and takes my gun..they committed the crime, not me.
What if someone leaves their car running and runs in a store....someone steals that car and kills people with it? are they responsible?? what if they locked their car but someone still stole it right from a driveway and killed people?? Are we going to hold them responsible for not having a garage to put it in??? Obviously not and it comes back to the "new american way" we blame the victim, never the criminal.....
If someone steals it, I will know and I will report it (because my nanny state govt says i have to)..and guess who is F*&^%D...them for stealing it..not me..
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 08:16 pm |
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I hope Santa brings me on of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiEeee42bMY&feature=related
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 09:43 pm |
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bucket,
clearly we're not going to reach consensus. Thats fine. I'm never going to convince you that you have an ethical responsibility to protect against your guns being stolen. (after all its the thief who is breaking the law) You're never going to convince me otherwise.
Good luck. I hope you never have a gun stolen from you and then used in a crime.
Don
p.s. one other story. When I was in college in New Haven, I used to carry a 6906 Smith. I carried in an IWB holster so I usually removed it from my pants and kept it in the center console when I drove.
One day I stopped at my father's office in Branford for just a couple of minutes. When I came out the passenger's side window was smashed, my stereo had been levered out of the dash, the glove box was open and tossed and the center console was open.
After I was done @#$%ting myself about having my gun stolen I realized that it had not been stolen. The stereo thieves must have been some punks who didn't want the heat that stealing a gun would have brought down on them and just left it.
I felt terrible. I felt stupid. I felt like I had broken the contract I have with society as far as my right carry a handgun. That was 18 years ago. I haven't made the same mistake since then. I'm just trying to pass on some wisdom so that others don't do the same stupid thing that I did.
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buketdude
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 11:06 pm |
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I respect your opinion!!!
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buketdude wrote: Thanks everyone...I just wanted to check if anyone saw the legality of it any diff...in terms of leaving it "unsecured"..that does not really bother me..I have family in NH/Maine who never carry..just have a loaded pistol in there trucks/cars all the time...and i talked with a friend from FLA who said since no permit is needed..lots of people just leave it in there glove compartment...18-20 year olds who cannot get permit yet esp...
NH requires a license to carry a loaded handgun in a vehicle.
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Posted: Thu Nov 19th, 2009 12:11 pm |
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A quick check of the NH law shows that it must not only be unloaded while in the vehicle, but exposed, or locked up.
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buketdude
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Posted: Fri Nov 20th, 2009 02:07 am |
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Yes it does, I was directly referring to FLA (which does not and you must be 21 to get a permit..so 18-20 year olds must have the gun in glove compartment/center console)....Maine also requires a permit to have a loaded handgun in a vehicle....not sure what the penalty is in either state for doing it without a permit...
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