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Mike
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 01:54 pm |
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go to http://oct.dc.gov/services/on_demand_video/channel13/april2009/04_07_09_STATEHOOD.asx
Start time hack 3.04.50 for my panel start (Brady Bunch speakers lead off).
Start time for my testimony: 3:16:40
Panel then stayed up there for a while council members made anti-gun statements and asked me weird questions about prostitution in Nevada.
Quote of the night: "How do you feel Mr. Ramsey . . . when you have to compete against groups like the NRA [and] OpenCarry.org . . . to try to get as much of a level playing field as you can?" - DC At Large Council Member Michael Brown at time hack 03.39.50.
Mike Stollenwerk
co-founder, OpenCarry.org
& DC Gun Rights Examiner for The Examiner.com
Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:22 pm by Mike
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ChinChin
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:59 pm |
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I love the councilmen's comment about how it is "extreme" to have an outsider try to govern them.
He doesn't take into account the RIFE corruption and city mismanagement which populates the first 5 minutes of local news at least once a month, if not more.
Last night it was the DC DMV inspectors taking bribes to pass DC taxis. Previously it was the city controller’s office and the embezzlement of millions of dollars.
It's obvious to all but them that they need outsider's to govern them given the half-baked job they do of governing themselves. Illinois has nothing on the District when it comes to political corruption and mismanagement.
Get your own house in order; THEN you may be indignant on being able to govern yourself.
Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:00 pm by ChinChin
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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:33 pm |
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Ok... Why should DC be allowed to regulate prostitution but not guns? Answer is simple: Prostitution is not a constitutionally protected right, gun ownership is.
If America creates a amendment stating "The rights of the people to pay for sex shall not be infringed" I would also support prostitution preemption for DC as well.
Also, his belief that Stollenwerk does not pay taxes to DC is FALSE. Every US citizen pays taxes to the treasury. Congress then allocates at LEAST several HUNDRED million dollars to DC as part of the yearly "District of Columbia Appropriations Act".
And what's up with Mendelson's beef with semi-automatic shotguns? No problems with semi auto rifles, but shotguns are bad? What gives with that?
Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 05:00 pm by nakedshoplifter
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Smurfologist
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 06:04 pm |
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Mike wrote: go to http://oct.dc.gov/services/on_demand_video/channel13/april2009/04_07_09_STATEHOOD.asx
Start time hack 3.04.50 for my panel start (Brady Bunch speakers lead off).
Start time for my testimony: 3:16:40
Panel then stayed up there for a while council members made anti-gun statements and asked me weird questions about prostitution in Nevada.
Quote of the night: "How do you feel Mr. Ramsey . . . when you have to compete against groups like the NRA [and] OpenCarry.org . . . to try to get as much of a level playing field as you can?" - DC At Large Council Member Michael Brown at time hack 03.39.50.
Mike Stollenwerk
co-founder, OpenCarry.org
& DC Gun Rights Examiner for The Examiner.com
Eight (8) against one (1) is not fair (smile)!! You held your own, Mike!! You hang in there and keep up the fight.
Maybe one day, everyone will be able to protect themselves inside and outside of their homes! The council members (in my opinion) need to understand that their are guns in the District already that are being used for criminal purposes. Since 1974, guns have been banned in the District and there were still murders with guns!!! THEY DO NOT GET IT!!! That Mr. Brown was dumbfounded when you told him that you wanted his kids to have the right to carry guns (to make them the same......paraphrasing, of course).
Stay the course, Mike! You're DA Man!!
The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!!
Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 06:36 pm by Smurfologist
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Citizen
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 06:18 pm |
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I like your style, Mike.
I also like that you introduced the political elements about critical mass, and we'll be back.
I wonder if there is any utility in pointing out the ridiculous disconnect between claiming a basic right to congressional representation, yet denying a basic human right to self-defense, or burdening it so much as to discourage its exercise.
And, I wonder if a little plain speaking might not be useful. A little bit of, "Lets be honest here, you all want congressional representation not for the people of DC but for your own political power."
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Smurfologist
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 06:21 pm |
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Citizen wrote: I like your style, Mike.
I also like that you introduced the political elements about critical mass, and we'll be back.
I wonder if there is any utility in pointing out the ridiculous disconnect between claiming a basic right to congressional representation, yet denying a basic human right to self-defense, or burdening it so much as to discourage its exercise.
And, I wonder if a little plain speaking might not be useful. A little bit of, "Lets be honest here, you all want congressional representation not for the people of DC but for your own political power."
+1!!
The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!!
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Notso
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 06:22 pm |
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I'm not at all familiar with how things work in DC, but I'm wondering how much(if any) of my federal taxes goes to support the district's infrastructure - money that would(or at least should) go away if they became a state.
And also, what part of 'criminals will have guns anyway' don't they understand?
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Smurfologist
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 06:35 pm |
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Notso wrote: I'm not at all familiar with how things work in DC, but I'm wondering how much(if any) of my federal taxes goes to support the district's infrastructure - money that would(or at least should) go away if they became a state.
And also, what part of 'criminals will have guns anyway' don't they understand?
That's just it, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND!! IMHO, the DC Council equates criminals with law-abiding citizens. In their discussions, they do not distinguish between the two, which is not fair to us law-abiding citizens!!
There is so much that Mike could have said. It is regrettable that he only was given three (3) minutes to do it. The fact is that the DC Council could care less about what he says.........I am just glad that he said it in the manner that he did and he made it clear that the fight will continue (at least that is how I understood him)!
The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!!
Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 07:00 pm by Smurfologist
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demnogis
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 08:23 pm |
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It seems to me that the main points of the Panel's arguments (against RKBA) hangs on:
1) DC's right to institute regulation as a "state" under their own home rule.
2) 2nd amendment only applies to self defense.
3) Mike was not a resident of DC and therefore should not have a valid opinion.
4) Gun control reduces violence.
I don't see any of these, logically, as valid argument points.
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Smurfologist
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 08:28 pm |
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demnogis wrote: It seems to me that the main points of the Panel's arguments (against RKBA) hangs on:
1) DC's right to institute regulation as a "state" under their own home rule.
2) 2nd amendment only applies to self defense.
3) Mike was not a resident of DC and therefore should not have a valid opinion.
4) Gun control reduces violence.
I don't see any of these, logically, as valid argument points.
My sentiments exactly!
The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!!
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NightOwl
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 10:34 pm |
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I can already see that holding off on commenting till the end is more than I can bear. Ms. Chen sounds completely off her rocker. Every single sentence she says is so...out there. "We cannot be complicit in this attempt to pass laws for our own protection and safety". What the...? "Yet, we're told, as the price of possibly getting voting rights we're required to give up that protection". Is she...aware she's in the USA? Has she ever heard of the Constitution? I'm flabbergasted by everything she had to say. If any of you skipped past it, give her a listen, she's the first person after Mr. Brown opens up the discussion. She thinks that the post Heller laws are reasonable!?
Mike, your restraint is far greater than mine. I would have been standing up yelling at her for being looney right off the bat. These people...they all seem to want the perks of an actual state, yet don't want to have to stick to the Constitution...anyhow, thanks for posting this video, after seeing these people I can only start seriously considering contacting my congressmen/senators and advising that they deny statehood to this bunch of...people, since they're clearly out of touch with reality.
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ghostrider
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 12:02 am |
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NightOwl wrote: I can already see that holding off on commenting till the end is more than I can bear. Ms. Chen sounds completely off her rocker. Every single sentence she says is so...out there. "We cannot be complicit in this attempt to pass laws for our own protection and safety". What the...? "Yet, we're told, as the price of possibly getting voting rights we're required to give up that protection". Is she...aware she's in the USA? Has she ever heard of the Constitution? I'm flabbergasted by everything she had to say. If any of you skipped past it, give her a listen, she's the first person after Mr. Brown opens up the discussion. She thinks that the post Heller laws are reasonable!?
Mike, your restraint is far greater than mine. I would have been standing up yelling at her for being looney right off the bat. These people...they all seem to want the perks of an actual state, yet don't want to have to stick to the Constitution...anyhow, thanks for posting this video, after seeing these people I can only start seriously considering contacting my congressmen/senators and advising that they deny statehood to this bunch of...people, since they're clearly out of touch with reality.
I believe it is Ms. Cheh. It's hilarious that she would even have the audacity to quote Patrick Henry when her intent is to strip citizens of their rights.
It's nothing but a power grab.
Last edited on Thu Apr 9th, 2009 12:04 am by ghostrider
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oilfieldtrash11
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 06:24 am |
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why no semi auto shotguns? they are awesome for dove hunting......
either way, the gun shoots the bullet, it doesnt matter what weapon it is, it will shoot the bullet. if they take guns away, people will build zip guns, i just dont think that they know enough about guns to really make a good case, if they knew about guns, they would realize they all do the same thing.
edit- i love the way the room was silent when you told him that you want his kids to have the right to carry and own firearms. his points made no sense, the brady campaign was talking about common sense laws and mike, you have more common sense than every one of those people testifying in that room. i like how they say you basically slapped the people of D.C. in the face, when really all they did all night was slap you in the face.
CARRY ON MIKE!
Last edited on Thu Apr 9th, 2009 06:36 am by oilfieldtrash11
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Dianosis
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 02:20 pm |
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nakedshoplifter wrote: Ok... Why should DC be allowed to regulate prostitution but not guns? Answer is simple: Prostitution is not a constitutionally protected right, gun ownership is.
Took the words outta my mouth. And to Mr Mendelson, if I had the choice between your ideas of safety & security, or my freedom, I'll take my freedom thank you.
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DanM
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 03:42 pm |
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NightOwl wrote: Mike, your restraint is far greater than mine. I would have been standing up yelling at her for being looney right off the bat.
The calmness that Mike displayed--putting out the facts, sitting back to let the officials make fools of themselves with everything they said, and answering only direct questions with short, sensible answers--actually does far more to highlight anti-gunner's looniness than being verbally confrontational with them.
There is an old truism in the arena of public discussion/debate: if your opponents are falling down, simply step back and get out of the way. I'm sure Mike realized how foolish those guys sounded to any reasonable person and he simply let them take themselves down instead of being verbally confrontational and going down with them in the eyes of sensible folks.
Most of the time, letting fools be fools without dignifying their foolishness with a response is the most effective thing you can do.
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Mike
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 12:40 am |
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oilfieldtrash11 wrote: why no semi auto shotguns? they are awesome for dove hunting......
Can you expand on this? Last time I hunted it was with my dad using a pump action 20 guage for hunting for pheasnats in PA.
What states let you use semi-auto shotguns for hunting and for what game? Slugs for deer?
And what sports use semi-auto shotguns?
I will be following up my comments to the DC City Council with a memo as soon as I have some time.
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Mike
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 12:40 am |
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oilfieldtrash11 wrote: why no semi auto shotguns? they are awesome for dove hunting......
Can you expand on this? Last time I hunted it was with my dad using a pump action 20 guage for hunting for pheasants in PA.
What states let you use semi-auto shotguns for hunting and for what game? Slugs for deer?
And what sports use semi-auto shotguns?
I will be following up my comments to the DC City Council with a memo as soon as I have some time.
Last edited on Fri Apr 10th, 2009 12:41 am by Mike
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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 01:31 am |
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Mike wrote: What states let you use semi-auto shotguns for hunting and for what game? Slugs for deer?
And what sports use semi-auto shotguns?
Kansas:
http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/news/Hunting/Hunting-Regulations
Deer
Legal shotgun for deer - 20 gauge or larger, using only slugs.
Migratory birds:
Bow and arrow, falconry, or shotgun no larger than 10-gauge. Shotguns shall not be able to hold more than three shells.
Turkey:
http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/news/Hunting/Hunting-Regulations/Turkey/General-Information
Legal Equipment: Shotguns 20 gauge or larger using shot sizes 2-9; long, recurve or compound bows
Sports:
Trap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_shooting
Semi-autos are popular due to the low recoil and versatility because they can be used for singles, handicap, and doubles
Skeet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeet_shooting
Many shooters of American skeet and other national versions still use inexpensive semi-auto and pump action shot guns with great success
Clays:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_clays
Although the sport is challenging, it is quite popular with novice shooters and ordinary hunters. While many shooters opt for expensive double-barreled shotguns, the game is equally enjoyable with an inexpensive pump-action shotgun or autoloading (semiautomatic) shotgun.
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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 01:38 am |
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Closer to D.C. here are VA's regulations off the DGIF site:
http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/general.asp
- No restrictions on shot size except for spring gobbler season when it is unlawful to have any shot in possession larger than number 2 fine shot while hunting.
- Shotguns must not be larger than 10 gauge.
- Unplugged shotguns are legal for hunting non-migratory game.
- Shotgun barrels must be at least 18 inches long.
- Shotguns with rifled barrels are permitted in areas where slugs may be used.
- All game birds and animals, except deer, may be hunted with shotguns from boats. Hunters must have permission from the landowner to hunt/ retrieve game located on private land.
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Mike
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 01:40 am |
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| OK, let's focus on the semi-auto shotghun issue - are semi-auto shotguns banned for hunting in many or most states? i need some kind of link proving semi-autos are generally legal to use in hunting.
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