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Posted: Tue Jan 6th, 2009 11:37 pm |
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LEO229 is back and moved to Tampa, please don't post here like you have me pulled over on the side of the road
we as honest citizens want you to uphold the law and we want you to go home at night
some of the things you posted make me wonder/ponder, this is why we have cop bashers on this site
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| I have been stopped driving twice, and both times handed my CCW with my DL the LEO. For me i have just put the LEO on notice that i am the good guy and there is no probable cause for anything other than why he stopped me . For some reason he felt the same way and forgot why he stopped me. if you can prove your a good guy ( most CCW permits do just that ) why not ? if you get stopped by Barney Fife what better way to nip it in the bud. nothing to see here folkes
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Posted: Wed Jan 7th, 2009 08:48 am |
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ickthus wrote: I have been stopped driving twice, and both times handed my CCW with my DL the LEO. For me i have just put the LEO on notice that i am the good guy and there is no probable cause for anything other than why he stopped me . For some reason he felt the same way and forgot why he stopped me. if you can prove your a good guy ( most CCW permits do just that ) why not ? if you get stopped by Barney Fife what better way to nip it in the bud. nothing to see here folkes
Couldn't agree more!!!!
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Posted: Wed Jan 7th, 2009 09:03 am |
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| I think we got off on the wrong foot. First let me explain that the area I work are not know to be the area law abiding citizen go or want to go. Most in the area I work couldn't get a CCW. I general work a very bad area and due to my assignment do not wear a uniform or drive a marked car. The area I work a white person could not safely drive through unless they are the police and we ride at least two officers in a car sometimes three. We are a little ruff because we have to be to survive. I was a little over zealous starting out and apologize for that. I had just come off shift and had been involved in a big fight where two people resisted arrest. I am all for lawful ownership of any gun and love the fact that you have the ability to carry. I just like to know. Because I deal with drug dealers and thugs all day I am use to them and react to most things like I am dealing with them. It becomes repetitive for me. I can't really say to much more about what agency, unit or area I work for due to my assignment. I think I could use a week going to Bellair and working there, to relax but then again I would be bored out of mine. I think it is about time for a vacation. Have a good night!
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Posted: Wed Jan 7th, 2009 01:43 pm |
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Gotta be somewhere close to Nebraska Ave. 
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mbpe912 wrote: Well yes you did, concealed means just that and if I see it then it is not concealed now is it? If you didn't tell me about it I now think you are trying to hide it from me. Which means I am not taking a chance and will get you out at gun point and have you prone out for my safety. So either make dam sure you don't print or that your shirt doesn't ride up and expose your gun. If you have a valid permit then you should have no problem telling me you have a gun what are you hiding? It is just the right thing to do, I have a family and want to go home tonight. If it means making you uncomfortable in the mean time I am sorry! However you better believe I am going home tonight! I do not an most officers will not ask to see your gun or run the serial number or any of that crap. To be honest I want your hands no where near the gun.
Let me get this straight, and if I'm missing something please say so. If you see--res ipsa loquitur--a non-concealed firearm in a state which allows open carry, you're going to commit false arrest, battery and possibly aggravated assault--under 42 and 18 USC, because the individual didn't tell you he had a gun when he had no clear duty to do so? If you harm the individual it will be you going to jail. If your gun "accidently" goes off and kills him, under Federal Law while doing so in violation of his civil rights under color of authority, you will face the death penalty. And your badge gives you zero immunity in Federal Court. Or did I miss something? Perhaps they don't recognize the Bill of Rights in Tampa. Or model their police training after the NKVD. Just because you wear a badge doesn't make you above the law. You claim to want "courtesy" from the public you supposedly took an oath to "protect and serve," but you have no problem in acting like a Storm Trooper.
18 USC Sec 242 and 42 USC Sec 1983 provides that: Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States,... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; 42 USC Sec 1983 further provides that a violator shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.
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Posted: Wed Jan 7th, 2009 08:58 pm |
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mbpe912 wrote: I think we got off on the wrong foot. First let me explain that the area I work are not know to be the area law abiding citizen go or want to go. Most in the area I work couldn't get a CCW. I general work a very bad area and due to my assignment do not wear a uniform or drive a marked car. The area I work a white person could not safely drive through unless they are the police and we ride at least two officers in a car sometimes three. We are a little ruff because we have to be to survive. I was a little over zealous starting out and apologize for that. I had just come off shift and had been involved in a big fight where two people resisted arrest. I am all for lawful ownership of any gun and love the fact that you have the ability to carry. I just like to know. Because I deal with drug dealers and thugs all day I am use to them and react to most things like I am dealing with them. It becomes repetitive for me. I can't really say to much more about what agency, unit or area I work for due to my assignment. I think I could use a week going to Bellair and working there, to relax but then again I would be bored out of mine. I think it is about time for a vacation. Have a good night!
Ok, I withdraw a bit of my harsh response to your first post. I can understand working in a @#$% hole part of town makes you take more basic survival tools. Still, although dealing with scumbags probably wouldn't let it happen, what I said about Federal Law and rights deprivation under color of authority still applies. Don't become so jaded you lose the distinction between a pos and someone maybe in the wrong place at the wrong time who is lawfully carrying a weapon for his own protection just because of where he finds himself. Be safe.
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Posted: Wed Jan 7th, 2009 10:01 pm |
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mbpe912 wrote: First off I am a LEO with a very large agency in the TAMPA bay area. If you want to get a gun in your face and get prone out a knee in your neck don't tell me and let it catch me by surprise. Now if you tell me I am aware of it and the respect you have just show for me will most likely lead me to let you go with out a ticket. Why not tell me? If it was you in my shoes Wouldn't you want to know?
Wow,
Do they put something in the water in Florida that you think that sort of behavior is acceptable?
If I were in your shoes I would have a lot more respect for the law. Wait I do anyways.
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Mbpe912 would not last a week on any Vermont police force. Not because it is "bad" up here, but b/c here in Vermont the police MUST respect the LAW ABIDING citizens rights. Here if you declare that you are carrying (out of respect), the officer will run your DL for Felonies/PFA, and if you are clean the subject of the firearm is a moot point. I realize that in Tampa there is a lot of gang activity, but come on Mr. Officer you mean to tell me with all your experience that you cannot smell the stink of a gangbanger the minute you pull him over? I am a white guy, I wear polo shirts, I drive a Lumina, my hair is short and I don't have tatoos. I also have a decent command of English and 3 CCW's. You mean to tell me that if I don't inform, you are going to make me "eat pavement"? Last time I looked there was no duty to inform in FL just like Vermont! Now I always inform and expect the same courtesy from you that I give. I don't think that sould get me out of a ticket like some other posters here do since you are doing your job and I am in the wrong. But one thing I learned in my travels, research and from talking to many people, Florida police generally are big bullies who throw thier weight around b/c the courts let them. Come on now Mr. Policeman handcuffing 8 year olds for fighting on the playground? In Vermont you would be out of a job the next day PBA/FOP or not! I am sorry but certain states attract bully cops b/c the law allows them to operare freelance and cover up their actions. Florida, Texas, Lousiana, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Virginia, Ohio all come to mind. Why don't you try a ride along in Vermont, Minnesota, Indiana, Montana, Oregon or Washington and see what fair police are like! That attitude is absolute BS. If you are Mr. PO in a state that requires disclosure and the stop does not, then by all means do what you need to do. Don't inject your personal feelings into a stituation, and interpet the law your way so you can excercise your "power" at random! Berfore you even attempt to flame me I was "on the job" for 2 years in a major city. One of the reasons I left is b/c I didn't like what I saw in my "peers". You number one goal as Mr. Police Officer should be protecting the civil rights of EVERY LAW ABIDING CITIZEN! Do what you want to the "scumbags", but someone back-talking you is not a scumbag. It's called freedom of speech. Let him ramble, drop the ticket in his lap and walk away. Once you think you are so important that no one dare question your perceived authority (verbally) you are then part of the coming "police state", and you know exactly what I am talking about! The traffic stop is the best tool in the world.... For finding the REAL dangerous people who would shoot you just as soon as look at you. Don't get so caught up in "everyone is a bad guy" b/c you chose to work in Tampa that you loose sight of reality. I knew some guys who would set up their own mother if it meant a collar. I respect the job you are doing, I just don't approve of the method applied by many of your colleagues.
The whole thing smacks of Nazi Germany..... Papers please!
Chew on this: http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts224.html
You would not like this decision either: http://libraries.vermont.gov/sites/libraries/files/supct/current/op2007-100.html
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vermonter wrote: Mbpe912 would not last a week on any Vermont police force. Not because it is "bad" up here, but b/c here in Vermont the police MUST respect the LAW ABIDING citizens rights. Here if you declare that you are carrying (out of respect), the officer will run your DL for Felonies/PFA, and if you are clean the subject of the firearm is a moot point. I realize that in Tampa there is a lot of gang activity, but come on Mr. Officer you mean to tell me with all your experience that you cannot smell the stink of a gangbanger the minute you pull him over? I am a white guy, I wear polo shirts, I drive a Lumina, my hair is short and I don't have tatoos. I also have a decent command of English and 3 CCW's. You mean to tell me that if I don't inform, you are going to make me "eat pavement"? Last time I looked there was no duty to inform in FL just like Vermont! Now I always inform and expect the same courtesy from you that I give. I don't think that sould get me out of a ticket like some other posters here do since you are doing your job and I am in the wrong. But one thing I learned in my travels, research and from talking to many people, Florida police generally are big bullies who throw thier weight around b/c the courts let them. Come on now Mr. Policeman handcuffing 8 year olds for fighting on the playground? In Vermont you would be out of a job the next day PBA/FOP or not! I am sorry but certain states attract bully cops b/c the law allows them to operare freelance and cover up their actions. Florida, Texas, Lousiana, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Virginia, Ohio all come to mind. Why don't you try a ride along in Vermont, Minnesota, Indiana, Montana, Oregon or Washington and see what fair police are like! That attitude is absolute BS. If you are Mr. PO in a state that requires disclosure and the stop does not, then by all means do what you need to do. Don't inject your personal feelings into a stituation, and interpet the law your way so you can excercise your "power" at random! Berfore you even attempt to flame me I was "on the job" for 2 years in a major city. One of the reasons I left is b/c I didn't like what I saw in my "peers". You number one goal as Mr. Police Officer should be protecting the civil rights of EVERY LAW ABIDING CITIZEN! Do what you want to the "scumbags", but someone back-talking you is not a scumbag. It's called freedom of speech. Let him ramble, drop the ticket in his lap and walk away. Once you think you are so important that no one dare question your perceived authority (verbally) you are then part of the coming "police state", and you know exactly what I am talking about! The traffic stop is the best tool in the world.... For finding the REAL dangerous people who would shoot you just as soon as look at you. Don't get so caught up in "everyone is a bad guy" b/c you chose to work in Tampa that you loose sight of reality. I knew some guys who would set up their own mother if it meant a collar. I respect the job you are doing, I just don't approve of the method applied by many of your colleagues.
The whole thing smacks of Nazi Germany..... Papers please!
Chew on this: http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts224.html
You would not like this decision either: http://libraries.vermont.gov/sites/libraries/files/supct/current/op2007-100.html
Ted Bundy was also well educated and nice looking. But you won't be able to convince the soriety sisters at FSU or the 12 year old he killed around Gainnesville/Lake City that he was a law abiding citizen. You go 912. After 15 years on the job I know exactly what you are talking about.
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Gunslinger wrote: mbpe912 wrote: Well yes you did, concealed means just that and if I see it then it is not concealed now is it? If you didn't tell me about it I now think you are trying to hide it from me. Which means I am not taking a chance and will get you out at gun point and have you prone out for my safety. So either make dam sure you don't print or that your shirt doesn't ride up and expose your gun. If you have a valid permit then you should have no problem telling me you have a gun what are you hiding? It is just the right thing to do, I have a family and want to go home tonight. If it means making you uncomfortable in the mean time I am sorry! However you better believe I am going home tonight! I do not an most officers will not ask to see your gun or run the serial number or any of that crap. To be honest I want your hands no where near the gun.
Let me get this straight, and if I'm missing something please say so. If you see--res ipsa loquitur--a non-concealed firearm in a state which allows open carry, you're going to commit false arrest, battery and possibly aggravated assault--under 42 and 18 USC, because the individual didn't tell you he had a gun when he had no clear duty to do so? If you harm the individual it will be you going to jail. If your gun "accidently" goes off and kills him, under Federal Law while doing so in violation of his civil rights under color of authority, you will face the death penalty. And your badge gives you zero immunity in Federal Court. Or did I miss something? Perhaps they don't recognize the Bill of Rights in Tampa. Or model their police training after the NKVD. Just because you wear a badge doesn't make you above the law. You claim to want "courtesy" from the public you supposedly took an oath to "protect and serve," but you have no problem in acting like a Storm Trooper.
18 USC Sec 242 and 42 USC Sec 1983 provides that: Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States,... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; 42 USC Sec 1983 further provides that a violator shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.
Since this is in the Florida forum, I would assume he was talking about Florida, and Florida is one of the 6 NO OPEN CARRY states.
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Posted: Thu Jan 8th, 2009 11:50 pm |
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Ahhhh. It warms the heart of this ardent pro-rights citizen to see so many attacking vigorously.
I'll just chip in one little thought that I didn't come across while scanning the thread.
Its in regard to his, "What do you have to hide" question. The 4th and 5th Amendment were and are intended to protect the innocent, meaning those WITH NOTHING TO HIDE. Meaning they are there particularly and specifically for use by those with nothing to hide.
We're not stupid, sir. We know all about how some police automatically seize lawfully carried handguns rather than use judgement about whether the person is giving some indication of dangerousness--a willful and knowing suspension of judgement if one asks me. And, we know all about how police, having automatically seized a lawfully carried firearm then run the serial number to see if it was stolen. And we know all about how some police are anti-gun and like to criticize and lecture law-abiding, gun carrying citizens.
No, thank you. I think I'll just keep right on omitting to disclose whether I'm armed.
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Decoligny wrote: Gunslinger wrote: mbpe912 wrote: Well yes you did, concealed means just that and if I see it then it is not concealed now is it? If you didn't tell me about it I now think you are trying to hide it from me. Which means I am not taking a chance and will get you out at gun point and have you prone out for my safety. So either make dam sure you don't print or that your shirt doesn't ride up and expose your gun. If you have a valid permit then you should have no problem telling me you have a gun what are you hiding? It is just the right thing to do, I have a family and want to go home tonight. If it means making you uncomfortable in the mean time I am sorry! However you better believe I am going home tonight! I do not an most officers will not ask to see your gun or run the serial number or any of that crap. To be honest I want your hands no where near the gun.
Let me get this straight, and if I'm missing something please say so. If you see--res ipsa loquitur--a non-concealed firearm in a state which allows open carry, you're going to commit false arrest, battery and possibly aggravated assault--under 42 and 18 USC, because the individual didn't tell you he had a gun when he had no clear duty to do so? If you harm the individual it will be you going to jail. If your gun "accidently" goes off and kills him, under Federal Law while doing so in violation of his civil rights under color of authority, you will face the death penalty. And your badge gives you zero immunity in Federal Court. Or did I miss something? Perhaps they don't recognize the Bill of Rights in Tampa. Or model their police training after the NKVD. Just because you wear a badge doesn't make you above the law. You claim to want "courtesy" from the public you supposedly took an oath to "protect and serve," but you have no problem in acting like a Storm Trooper.
18 USC Sec 242 and 42 USC Sec 1983 provides that: Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States,... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; 42 USC Sec 1983 further provides that a violator shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.
Since this is in the Florida forum, I would assume he was talking about Florida, and Florida is one of the 6 NO OPEN CARRY states.
Evidently I am incorrect about lawful carry in a vehicle to the extent it must not be readily available. I have read case law that says glovebox, loaded, is ok in FL, but that doesn't apply in the instant case and I don't know what the final adjudication of inferior court cases has been. Thanx for the heads-up Decol. Never been too concerned because I always had a CCW recognized in FL.
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mbpe912 wrote: First off I am a LEO with a very large agency in the TAMPA bay area. If you want to get a gun in your face and get prone out a knee in your neck don't tell me and let it catch me by surprise. Now if you tell me I am aware of it and the respect you have just show for me will most likely lead me to let you go with out a ticket. Why not tell me? If it was you in my shoes Wouldn't you want to know? Perfect example of why everyday, law abiding business people are disgusted with our police, myself included. The incident in California that is currently causing disturbances, the " I'll blow your head off " thread on this very site (video of police misconduct) and the murder by police of an eye doctor in Fairfax County, VA. has created an atmosphere where law abiding citizens have to fear police thugs like mbpe912. These are not peace officers but tyrant criminals with a badge, gun and low IQ.
I no longer support the police at all. I will not cooperate with them in any investigation, will assume they are lying if I'm on jury duty and litigate any violation of my RIGHTS.
Hey mbpe912, you may want to research US v. John Bad Elk before you go drawling your weapon on citizens, like you claim you would. Many people will think nothing of shooting you if they feel threatened by your irresponsible use of deadly force. We can protect ourselves from criminal officers like you. You have no more legal right to drawl a weapon on someone than any other citizen.
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Great comments. I wonder, is America truly a free country?
Sure, we're better than some other places, but "being better" isn't the standard of freedom. I've been considering all the things I do, and I can find nowhere into which government does not intrude.
All my life, I've been told I'm free, but was this just brainwashing? There has to be better than this.
no carry permit ? wrote: Perfect example of why everyday, law abiding business people are disgusted with our police, myself included. The incident in California that is currently causing disturbances, the " I'll blow your head off " thread on this very site (video of police misconduct) and the murder by police of an eye doctor in Fairfax County, VA. has created an atmosphere where law abiding citizens have to fear police thugs like mbpe912. These are not peace officers but tyrant criminals with a badge, gun and low IQ.
I no longer support the police at all. I will not cooperate with them in any investigation, will assume they are lying if I'm on jury duty and litigate any violation of my RIGHTS.
Hey mbpe912, you may want to research US v. John Bad Elk before you go drawling your weapon on citizens, like you claim you would. Many people will think nothing of shooting you if they feel threatened by your irresponsible use of deadly force. We can protect ourselves from criminal officers like you. You have no more legal right to drawl a weapon on someone than any other citizen.
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mbpe912 wrote: First off I am a LEO with a very large agency in the TAMPA bay area. If you want to get a gun in your face and get prone out a knee in your neck don't tell me and let it catch me by surprise. Now if you tell me I am aware of it and the respect you have just show for me will most likely lead me to let you go with out a ticket. Why not tell me? If it was you in my shoes Wouldn't you want to know? I am late into this discussion, but here is my two cents:
First, and this is said with all due respect--if law enforcement is scared to death of the people, then the best thing they can do, and should do is--find another profession. There have been more soldiers and Marines killed since 2001 than law enforcement. The military in Iraq and Afghanistan has a job 100 times as difficult as any police officer, and by and large I don't seem them acting like thugs--but in the last little while there have been several deaths of citizens at the hands of law enforcement, rights trampled on, citizens detained without cause, or harassed because they chose to carry a gun, and were within the law when they did so--citizens who basically were either not resisting the police, or were on their own property at the time they were killed. The most notable being the death of the unarmed man in California by police on New Years Eve. We're not the enemy--please quit treating us like we are.
The police are afraid of the people--and I would dare to say that the people are afraid of the police. Our rights are inalienable, and yet for many, it seems as if they are something to be gotten around. Yes, you have the power to detain a citizen--but when that citizen refuses to consent to a search, or refuses to answer questions--respect that. If you detain a citizen and violate their rights--don't be surprised when you get dragged into a civil rights lawsuit, or when the citizen tries to have the feds investigate you.
Why not tell you? For the exact reason you have already stated--over zealous police who would try to run in and act like we are public enemy number one. Using your own logic--"if I have nothing to fear, why not consent to a search of my vehicle and person"? That is the point--it isn't just a right to look at--it is one to be respected. If the state does not require me to inform you I am armed then I am most definitely not going to do so unless they ask, and if they then want to see my permit--fine, I'll show it to them. If they stick a gun in my face and assault me just because they think they can and get away with it--you can bet your *** I am going to do everything I can to have you arrested and locked up, ESPECIALLY if I have not done anything other than to lawfully possess a firearm. If you violate other rights--then you can also assure yourself a lawsuit.
When I took my class, my instructor told me that "there are so many rookies out now, and the vast majority don't know and don't want to know the laws they are supposed to enforce"--his words were--DON'T inform unless they ask you, or you travel through a state that requires it, because you may get a gun shoved in your face when you do, and be subjected to even further violations of your rights--and this came from a POLICE OFFICER, shockingly enough.
Yet another major-MAJOR problem with the police today is that they are vastly too militarized--they are soldier wannabes, they dress like it, act like it, talk like it and arm themselves like they are at war with the people and this mentality is part of what is making it so difficult to trust any of them. Contrary to popular belief--law enforcement is not the military, and should stop acting like it--because you act as if you are at war with us--and we are the law abiding citizens from whom you derive your powers to begin with....
The one thing you should be assured of--your conversations with a citizen will almost certainly be recorded for our safety and to help in the preservation of our rights--CYOA, because no one else will.
Finally-if you want respect--give us the same, show us, the PEOPLE the same level courtesy that you claim to want.
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god bless mbp3. there is no safer place than under one of us hereo's boots.
you deserve a medal
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ickthus wrote: I have been stopped driving twice, and both times handed my CCW with my DL the LEO. For me i have just put the LEO on notice that i am the good guy and there is no probable cause for anything other than why he stopped me . For some reason he felt the same way and forgot why he stopped me. if you can prove your a good guy ( most CCW permits do just that ) why not ? if you get stopped by Barney Fife what better way to nip it in the bud. nothing to see here folkes Why don't you invite the police into your homes and let them tap and bug your phones, and let them just search you whenever they feel like it?
The fundamental flaw--one of them anyway when your argument is :Why should we, the people have to "prove" anything to the police? They are the ones acting like we are the enemy of the state.
If they want to mistreat us and violate our rights--I say SUE...and sue big....
The police need MORE public oversight and need to be held legally and financially accountable a LOT more than what they are.
What is next-- "your papers are not in order"....
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mbpe912 wrote: Hey thats it fine don't tell me but I can tell you this I look at people with a CCW as part of the family and let them slide with a warning. So don't be pissed when I explain the three options to you. I just want to be treated with the same level of respect and courtesy that you want--no more and no less.
If you want to know if I have a gun in my car if you run my license plate and license--be nice enough to ask me instead of sticking a glock in my face--because I assure you, I would be more than happy to file assault charges against you and sue you and have you arrested if you did stick a gun in my face for simply no justifiable reason...
If you are nice enough to ask--"hey, I ran your license and you have a permit--are you carrying today?"--and if I am carrying I will simply say--"yes I am actually"--would you like to see my permit--and then I would be nice enough to hand it to you....but if you want to walk up and act like the gestapo, don't be surprised when I am filing charges against you and doing everything in my power to have a warrant issued for your arrest and then end up filing a lawsuit against you as well.
Simply show me the common courtesy and respect that YOU want--that is NOT too much to ask.
Last edited on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 09:05 pm by suntzu
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Posted: Mon Jan 12th, 2009 09:06 pm |
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steve33904 wrote: most police would be very grateful if you had your carry license and drivers license in hand and said
"I am licensed and carring a weapon. What would you like me to do?"
I'm sure most would also be grateful if we submitted to every request to search our person, homes and things as well in absence of articulable probable cause.....
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