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FloridaRob33
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Posted: Fri Nov 28th, 2008 12:34 am |
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Hello. I am looking into obtaining a concealed weapons permit and selecting a weapon for defense, and I had a question.
If you're pulled over for a traffic stop and you have a concealed weapons permit, how do you handle the situation? Do you inform the officer you have a weapon, or only if he asks?
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Hotshot718
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Posted: Fri Nov 28th, 2008 01:33 am |
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There is no duty to inform, but if the officer asks, I usually tell him. Informing has gotten me outta 2 tickets thus far; one because he was in love with the gun and we lost track of time chatting, the other because the newbie was so nervous he called another car plus his supervisor and forgot all about me speeding. 
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Posted: Sun Nov 30th, 2008 07:49 pm |
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most police would be very grateful if you had your carry license and drivers license in hand and said
"I am licensed and carring a weapon. What would you like me to do?"
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Decoligny
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Posted: Sun Nov 30th, 2008 11:54 pm |
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steve33904 wrote: most police would be very grateful if you had your carry license and drivers license in hand and said
"I am licensed and carring a weapon. What would you like me to do?"
And most police would be very grateful if you had your carry license and drivers license in hand and said "I am licensed and carring a weapon. What would you like me to do? And by the way feel free to search the entire vehicle, the trunk, and here's my home address and my front door key, you are welcome to search my whole house too."
If you are not required by law to do something, then don't do it. You are simply adding things into the mix that are irrelevent to the reason you were pulled over, and opening yourself up to possible overreaction/abuse of authority by any rookie who doesn't know any better, or by any cop who wants a reason to hassle you.
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Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2008 03:55 am |
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In my class I was told that if the officer does not ask whether you are carrying a firearm--don't disclose it if it--because where I live we are not required to inform the officer we are armed unless and until they specifically ask.
The reason being--my instructor made the statement that most LEOs are jittery, and most new rookies are really just a bunch of *** holes who don't know the laws they are supposed to be upholding anyway, so disclosing that you are armed is only going to create a problem where one might not ordinarily exist for you.
So bottom line for me--if they don't specifically ask me whether I am armed, I certainly am not going to disclose it to them.
If they ask to search my car my answer will be a polite, but firm NO, because if they have to ask--they have no business searching to begin with.
And once the traffic stop is over--DON'T chit chat with the police--they are only fishing trying to find something to get you on. So once it is over--ask if you can depart, and then promptly depart without commenting further on anything. If they insist on broadening the questions to areas not concerned with the primary reason for the stop--STOP talking--simply SHUT UP and tell them you are not going to answer any more of their questions not originally related to the stop and then if they begin insisting--demand to speak with a shift supervisor immediately, but above all--ANSWER NO QUESTIONS--this is what we were told in my class. Because anything you say will be used against you--and if you think they care about you--you're wrong. Now all of this advice came from a LEO--surprising enough I know.
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WVCDL
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Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2008 07:07 am |
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In the 3 years I have been carrying, I have been pulled over once and described that encounter here. Whether you should disclose when not required by law largely depends on your desire for a break from a ticket (as was my case) and your immediate perception of the officer's attitude. In my case, I needed a break, perceived the officer as being on even keel, chose to disclose, and wound up with a big break on my ticket without asking or suggesting anything.
All police officers are (or should be) instructed to presume a person armed unless and until searched and found otherwise. In Florida, any adult not prohibited by law from possessing firearms may carry a gun in, among other places, a car's glove box or center console without a license. Thus, weapons in vehicles should not be a surprise. However, if you have a CWL and inform the officer, you will generally put him at some ease that you are a "good guy" and that will greatly increase your chances of a better outcome than you could have otherwise received. That does not mean you need to engage in any extraneous conversations or admit to even the alleged traffic violation that triggered the stop.
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Todd Hardy
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Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2008 06:35 pm |
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Hi Rob,
I'm new on here too but I will also tell you what my CCW intstructor told us, which is, do not disclose the information unless directly asked. It could very well cause more problems than it's worth. Kind of like the "what you don't know, won't hurt you" adage.
That said, there is always the exception to the rule as WVCDL stated above.
My $0.02 is don't disclose unless asked.
-Todd
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 10:38 pm |
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| Thanks for the replies guys.
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 02:28 am |
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| First off I am a LEO with a very large agency in the TAMPA bay area. If you want to get a gun in your face and get prone out a knee in your neck don't tell me and let it catch me by surprise. Now if you tell me I am aware of it and the respect you have just show for me will most likely lead me to let you go with out a ticket. Why not tell me? If it was you in my shoes Wouldn't you want to know?
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Todd Hardy
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 02:59 am |
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Hey mbpe, welcome to the board!
To answer your question, no, I wouldn't want to know. It doesn't affect me one way or the other if I were in your shoes. We're talking about law-abiding citizens in this post, not criminals. That's also what we're trying to promote with open carry; firearms are commonplace. Nothing to be alarmed about.
So again, no, I wouldn't want to know about a legally concealed firearm anymore than I'd care to know about if you had a cell phone, pocketknife, or pink underwear. I wouldn't see the relevance and could almost take it as a threat. But we're obviously different on that point so if you ever pull over a guy and his license says Todd Hardy, ask if he has a legally concealed firearm on him. Having a gun pointed in my face and being made to lie out prone for doing NOTHING illegal would be a big-time civil rights issue and you know how these scuzbag juries are in central Florida.
Regardless, like I said, welcome to the board; good to have you!
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 03:10 am |
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| That is why I pay my PBA dues. You should really go do a ride a long with an agency like TPD. Then you can see it from our shoes. I have done the above before to someone who didn't tell me. I am not worried about being sued. I AM WORRIED ABOUT GOING HOME. A law abiding citizen should have no reason to hide or not give me the curtsey of knowing you are armed. If you don't tell me about it and I see it I THINK YOU ARE HIDING it. I Would take you on a ride myself but due to my current assignment my unit doesn't allow for non certified law enforcement Officers to ride with me.
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Todd Hardy
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 03:14 am |
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I can see your point. If they are too stupid to properly conceal it, they could quite possibly be carrying it illegally; in which case, you should worry. I pocket carry so no one would ever be able to see it. Either way, you see my name, ask cause I ain't volunteering. Deal? 
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 03:27 am |
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| Hey thats it fine don't tell me but I can tell you this I look at people with a CCW as part of the family and let them slide with a warning. So don't be pissed when I explain the three options to you.
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Todd Hardy
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 03:30 am |
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I wish they all looked at it that way. And deal, no complaining. 
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smoking357
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 10:55 pm |
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Huh? Am I reading this correctly? You would cause a citizen to have a boot on his neck, forced to lie prostrate, while having lethal force pointed at his head for lawfully carrying an item that is a citizen's right to carry, simply because he didn't tell you about it? There are a substantial amount of people for whom the above violence would be fatal, and a knee to the neck is an efficient execution method. What you say you perform was conducted in a Soviet gulag.
Did I misread?
mbpe912 wrote: First off I am a LEO with a very large agency in the TAMPA bay area. If you want to get a gun in your face and get prone out a knee in your neck don't tell me and let it catch me by surprise. Now if you tell me I am aware of it and the respect you have just show for me will most likely lead me to let you go with out a ticket. Why not tell me? If it was you in my shoes Wouldn't you want to know?
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 11:15 pm |
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| Well yes you did, concealed means just that and if I see it then it is not concealed now is it? If you didn't tell me about it I now think you are trying to hide it from me. Which means I am not taking a chance and will get you out at gun point and have you prone out for my safety. So either make dam sure you don't print or that your shirt doesn't ride up and expose your gun. If you have a valid permit then you should have no problem telling me you have a gun what are you hiding? It is just the right thing to do, I have a family and want to go home tonight. If it means making you uncomfortable in the mean time I am sorry! However you better believe I am going home tonight! I do not an most officers will not ask to see your gun or run the serial number or any of that crap. To be honest I want your hands no where near the gun.
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smoking357
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Posted: Tue Jan 6th, 2009 02:36 pm |
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"What am I hiding?" Wrong attitude for a servant. Your correct attitude is "where does the government get off peering into people's lives?"
The primary purpose of government, and thus your primary purpose, is to preserve Liberty. This is more important to you than "going home at night." Further, a citizen is far more concerned with his Liberty than with you "going home at night," and since you serve Liberty, first, you're forced to agree, don't you?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..." - Declaration of Independence
The "right thing to do" is for you to intrude on a citizen's life as little as possible and to act as a servant. If "going home at night" is more important to you than preserving Liberty above all else, then you need to find another job.
A citizen has no obligation to make you feel safe, indeed, we are freer if the government's armed agents fear the public.
"I am not taking a chance and will get you out at gun point and have you prone out for my safety."
What you describe as "your safety" horribly violates Liberty and your subservient role, necessitating some manner of response. If you've ever pointed a gun at citizen
who did not have one pointed at you, you are no better than the worst thugs of the worst governments. You could have served in the Khmer Rouge. Wow, what a scary country we have become.
You are the reason why the People must always keep their inalienable right to keep and bear arms.
Lastly, what does this mean? "So either make dam sure you don't print..." I presume you're not taking offense to one's preference of penmanship.
mbpe912 wrote: Well yes you did, concealed means just that and if I see it then it is not concealed now is it? If you didn't tell me about it I now think you are trying to hide it from me. Which means I am not taking a chance and will get you out at gun point and have you prone out for my safety. So either make dam sure you don't print or that your shirt doesn't ride up and expose your gun. If you have a valid permit then you should have no problem telling me you have a gun what are you hiding? It is just the right thing to do, I have a family and want to go home tonight. If it means making you uncomfortable in the mean time I am sorry! However you better believe I am going home tonight! I do not an most officers will not ask to see your gun or run the serial number or any of that crap. To be honest I want your hands no where near the gun.
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Posted: Tue Jan 6th, 2009 03:38 pm |
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mbpe912 wrote: First off I am a LEO with a very large agency in the TAMPA bay area. If you want to get a gun in your face and get prone out a knee in your neck don't tell me and let it catch me by surprise. Now if you tell me I am aware of it and the respect you have just show for me will most likely lead me to let you go with out a ticket. Why not tell me? If it was you in my shoes Wouldn't you want to know? That is why I pay my PBA dues. You should really go do a ride a long with an agency like TPD. Then you can see it from our shoes. I have done the above before to someone who didn't tell me. I am not worried about being sued. I AM WORRIED ABOUT GOING HOME. A law abiding citizen should have no reason to hide or not give me the curtsey of knowing you are armed. If you don't tell me about it and I see it I THINK YOU ARE HIDING it. I Would take you on a ride myself but due to my current assignment my unit doesn't allow for non certified law enforcement Officers to ride with me.
Well yes you did, concealed means just that and if I see it then it is not concealed now is it? If you didn't tell me about it I now think you are trying to hide it from me. Which means I am not taking a chance and will get you out at gun point and have you prone out for my safety. So either make dam sure you don't print or that your shirt doesn't ride up and expose your gun. If you have a valid permit then you should have no problem telling me you have a gun what are you hiding? It is just the right thing to do, I have a family and want to go home tonight. If it means making you uncomfortable in the mean time I am sorry! However you better believe I am going home tonight! I do not an most officers will not ask to see your gun or run the serial number or any of that crap. To be honest I want your hands no where near the gun.
QFT. You, sir, are a dangerous man.
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Posted: Tue Jan 6th, 2009 04:01 pm |
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What are you hiding? That is a great question, If you keep it concealed which Florida law requires then you have no problem. You can bitch and moan all you want, I do fear the people every time I make a traffic stop. Because I never know if you are a law abiding citizen or just killed you ex wife! Now I have never had the problem of seeing a concealed weapon this far thank God. Trust me I am all for the 2nd amendment as well as the ability to carry. I personally prefer concealed carry, but think you should be able to choose to OC. I did have someone who had a securely incases firearm in there glove box and they went for the info in the glove box. They didn't notify me that they had a gun. I saw it and was a little surprised pulled my gun told them to freeze and had them come out the car. I explained later why I had done what I did. The gentlemen was very sorry and totally understand and thanked me for not shooting him. I am not a trigger happy person to be honest. So yes I may seem ruff to some of you. But then some of you think the Feds are personally trying to destroy you. I to am a fan of limited government.
However I have to do the job I was hired to do and the law allows me to temporarily detain you for a great number of reasons. The law also protects you with a clause that says it must be a reasonable amount of time. So me stopping you for speed can't take and hour and a half if I find nothing other than the traffic violation. I think you guys mistook my words as I want to catch you or want to put a knee in your neck! This is not the case at all I am always trying to better the relationship between the citizens and the Police. We need your help you are the eyes in the community. If you knew half of what goes on you would be totally amazed. I hope everyone has a great new year.
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smoking357
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mbpe912 wrote: Now I have never had the problem of seeing a concealed weapon this far thank God.
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