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USN_MA1
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Posted: Fri Jul 6th, 2007 09:50 am |
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Besides that fact that it takes a deal with the Devil himself to get a carry permit here...has there been any forward movement on making it easier to do so?
I recall something being pushed in the right direction by some local females because they wanted something to protect themselves from the jackass ice heads there on the islands.
Any news?
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Anubis
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Posted: Sun Jul 15th, 2007 02:35 pm |
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I have an interest in HI, because I have relatives there and sometimes visit. I couldn't find anything newer than this from last year, which you already saw, based on your comment. http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?f63ec11c-c076-43bc-9d0f-5d834043964d
I think the cited bill was introduced and quickly defeated.
The NRA's Hawaii firearm news page http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/State/Specific.aspx?st=HI
has nothing more recent either.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 02:10 am |
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I really dig Hawaii, lived there for 8 years...I just don't get why they are so backwoods when it comes to gun laws. Its not like the crime could get WORSE or anything...
I guarantee that if they let people carry guns, less people would be robbed or anything else of the like.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 08:17 am |
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I just had one of my 'If I could do...' thoughts. Since the anti-gun-nuts think one of the elements of state/city/district gun ban failures is the easy availability of firearms in adjacent gun-friendly states, why not try a complete gun-ban in Hawaii? 
I'm sure they'd think of some other reason why their methods weren't working...
On second thought, bad idea. That would deny an entire state their rights and leave them defenseless. Except of the criminal element... 
Please note... this is hypothetical! This idea runs along the same line as using 'that rectangular state' as a prison and televising the results.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 04:44 pm |
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CPL_in_WA wrote: I just had one of my 'If I could do...' thoughts. Since the anti-gun-nuts think one of the elements of state/city/district gun ban failures is the easy availability of firearms in adjacent gun-friendly states, why not try a complete gun-ban in Hawaii?
I'm sure they'd think of some other reason why their methods weren't working...
On second thought, bad idea. That would deny an entire state their rights and leave them defenseless. Except of the criminal element...
Please note... this is hypothetical! This idea runs along the same line as using 'that rectangular state' as a prison and televising the results.
if I never thought of going back, I'd agree...
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Jared
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Posted: Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 06:35 pm |
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No news, because they are lazy. I'm being blunt, they are lazy.
The Hawaii Supreme Court affirmed that their is a state constitutional right to keep and bear arms in 1995 in State v Mendoza. They said registration is reasonable and not a violation of the right; HOWEVER, no one followed up on the bear part.
Hawaii requires a license to conceal carry and contrary to how the Hawaii page on this site reads, there is a seperate permit required to open carry.
Since both modes of carry are denied (since permits are not issued, open carry permits are issued for employment only) the bear part is denied. No one followed up on this. I brought this up a long time ago but no one seemed to really care.
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2007 01:36 am |
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CPL_in_WA wrote: I just had one of my 'If I could do...' thoughts. Since the anti-gun-nuts think one of the elements of state/city/district gun ban failures is the easy availability of firearms in adjacent gun-friendly states, why not try a complete gun-ban in Hawaii?
Already been demonstrated a failure on an another English-speaking island: England.
England and Hawaii even have the same Union Jack on their flags. Birds of a feather...
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 04:32 pm |
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could it be because so many Japanese live in Hawaii.
we all know how restrictive Japan is regarding firearms
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 06:06 pm |
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Jamaica is another classic case of a gun ban which does not work. Jamaica has one of the highest murder rates in the western hemisphere. I believe Jamaica is second only to Colombia.
I have heard that smugglers send disassembled guns to Jamaica inside washing machines, TVs, and other consumer products.
So the good people are disarmed and the criminals run wild. There are some neighborhoods in Kingston that the police will not enter without Jamaica Defense Force personnel providing back up from armored personnel carriers. They are called, fittingly enough, garrison constituencies, since the "dons" who run the community are aligned with one of the two major political parties.
Here is an interesting Sept. 1, 2007 article about elections in Jamaica.
KINGSTON, Sept 1 (Reuters) - Gunmen in Jamaica killed seven people, including four women and a member of the governing party on Saturday, in what police said was political violence ahead of Monday's general election.
Four were killed in the George's Valley community in the south central parish of Manchester. The other three died when gunmen attacked people in the Kingston suburb of McGregor Gully, a stronghold of the ruling People's National Party, or PNP. One person was also wounded in that attack.
Two new polls showed support for the opposition Jamaica Labour Party surging ahead of Monday's vote, in which the PNP is seeking a record fifth consecutive victory.
Portia Simpson Miller, the Caribbean nation's first female prime minister, is seeking her first election victory since taking the reins of the PNP last year after longtime prime minister P.J. Patterson stepped down.
Jamaica, a parliamentary democracy, has a long history of political violence, although it has tapered off in recent years. In 1980 nearly 900 people died in violence leading up to elections.
In July, police and soldiers were deployed to a volatile community near the capital to quell political shootings.
Police said the violence was politically motivated and the PNP said all seven dead were party supporters.
"This is a clearly defined strategy aimed at intimidating voters on election day," said John Junor, an outgoing PNP member of parliament.
Gunmen drove through a section of the community early on Saturday and fired at a group of PNP supporters who were standing by the road, killing four, Junor told journalists.
Police identified one of those killed as Patrick Livingston, an executive member of the PNP group in the constituency.
In a separate incident, attackers threw two homemade bombs at the Constant Spring police station in an often violent northern area of Kingston on Saturday, starting a fire in an administrative block and prompting police to boost security at other stations.
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Jamaica, one wicked island, mon!
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Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2007 06:21 pm |
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| Hawaii and Puerto Rico are also very similar in their views on gun control. PR is now a leader in the US in per capita gun related crimes. I spoke to my aunt the other day and told her how excited I was about my new .45, and her response was, "get rid of that thing. Don't you see how bad guns have been here in PR? It's getting worse here every day." I pointed out that the civilian population has not been allowed to have guns since the 70's, and that is why crime is so high. She wouldn't listen. This is the menatlity of people in PR, NY, CA, HI and all the anti gun countries and territories out there.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2007 02:18 pm |
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.40 Cal wrote: Hawaii and Puerto Rico are also very similar in their views on gun control. PR is now a leader in the US in per capita gun related crimes. I spoke to my aunt the other day and told her how excited I was about my new .45, and her response was, "get rid of that thing. Don't you see how bad guns have been here in PR? It's getting worse here every day." I pointed out that the civilian population has not been allowed to have guns since the 70's, and that is why crime is so high. She wouldn't listen. This is the menatlity of people in PR, NY, CA, HI and all the anti gun countries and territories out there.
If a lie is repeated often enough, it sounds like truth after a while.
Blind and bind the people until they can neither see nor move!
It will take more than laws, good intentions and warm and fuzzy thoughts to change the situations described here.
Meanwhile, I will do what I can to protect myself and my brain from such assine ravings. Duct tape is a wonderful thing.
Yata hey
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Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 11:23 pm |
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The last I heard, there was a private citizen using his own funds to sue the state over their firearms registration process.
For those of you who do not know, in order to purchase a hand gun in HI, the following must be done:
- Take a hand-gun safety course.
- Take the safety course certificate with you to the gun shop and purchase a specific gun. You pay now, they put it in the back for you but do not give it to you.
- Take the receipt with the weapon description and serial number to the Police Department and apply for a permit to acquire the weapon ($30.75 fee). This includes being fingerprinted and having your picture taken and attached to your application and subsequent registration.
- Wait 14 days (no less) to receive the permit to acquire the hand gun.
- Take the permit to the store in order to pick-up the hand gun.
- Within three days you must return with the permit and the weapon itself to officially register it. Why you have to do this when they already have the description and serial number is beyond me. Reminder, your picture and fingerprints are attached to the registration card they keep in their files.
The process is clearly written to make it as cumbersome as possible to acquire a hand gun. In my personal opinion, by including your picture with the registration, they are setup and prepared to perform a state wide gun grab.
I did not hear the results of the law suit or if it ever made it into court.
There is also discussion of another law suit pending. That law suit will be based on the ruling the Supreme Court of the DC gun ban. If the Supreme Court rules in favor of individual rights, subsequent lawsuits will be filed in Hawai'i.
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Posted: Thu Dec 20th, 2007 11:11 pm |
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Note that the permit application must be made to the Honolulu Police Department on Oahu. So a resident living on Hawaii or another island must either fly or take the new hydrofoil/ferry, basically killing an entire day.
I know a guy there whose pistols were confiscated when he moved to HI from CA and was unaware of the registration requirement before the brief registration period (for a new arrival already owning guns) lapsed.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21st, 2007 12:57 am |
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| Anubis is 100% correct. I forgot about the fact that those on other islands must fly to O'ahu. So, it actually kills more than one day for the purchase of a new hand gun. Only one day to register one you brought into the islands yourself.
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Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 07:42 pm |
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I would love to live in Hawaii but the gun laws suck!!
I cannot bring my machine gun, SBRs or silencers...!!
Not sure why not.... I guess there is no crime at all on the islands with these fantastic restrictions in place, huh?
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Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 10:18 pm |
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I can read the sarcasm. 
Crime is out of control on the islands in large part do to corrupt police officers. The FBI here has repeatedly investigated and prosecuted local police. But they keep at it. Running security for illegal cock fights and similar.
I need to modify my last statement though. It's not all of the islands that have to fly to O'ahu for firearm registration. Moloka'i and Lanai do because they fall under the jurisdiction of the HPD (Honolulu Police Department). The other islands have their own jurisdictions.
My whole life on the mainland I was never the victim of a crime. In the 4.5 years I've lived in Hawaii (6 months of that in Afghanistan and another year in other locations), I have been the victim of crimes 3 times. Yet I am not allowed to defend myself or my property. That's why I'm leaving soon. I've had enough.
The locals here just accept it as part of life. I don't.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 03:54 am |
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Damn!!
What type of stuff did you encounter?
My mother-in-law wants to move there... Wife used to live there as a child.
Are you saying the HPD is corrupt? That sucks.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 11:19 am |
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LEO 229 wrote:
Damn!!
What type of stuff did you encounter?
My mother-in-law wants to move there... Wife used to live there as a child.
Are you saying the HPD is corrupt? That sucks.
HPD is corrupt. So is the Kauai Police Department. Forget about it on the big island. If you're not personally related to a cop there, you're screwed.
See the following stories if you don't believe me.
http://starbulletin.com/2006/04/08/news/story02.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi47DhI2ntc
Google it and you will find all of this is true throughout the entire state.
Regarding what I encountered. My car was broken into at my home once. It was stolen once (I later recovered it myself, but it was missing all four wheels), and someone attempted to mug me in my friends neighborhood (he failed because I carry pepper spray in my car, but the cops wanted to charge me and not him simply because I'm white and he's filipino. They quickly left me alone when I started mentioning my lawyers and the filipino witnesses I had that would back me with the truth.). The racist attitudes of the various forms of local asians against white and black people is out of hand. To make it worse, it's "politically correct" here to be racist as long as it's directed towards a white or black person.
I also cannot believe the attitudes I encounter with the locals. They truly believe this is paradise and they cannot see beyond the islands. If they ever travel, it is only to Las Vegas to go gambling. And they all go to the same two casino's because they get room discounts if they show their Hawaii Driver's licenses. In other words, they have no clue about the rest of the world. It's all about Hawaii and Vegas. To me, it got old fast. That's why I've spent 1.5 of my 4.5 years elsewhere.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 12:38 pm |
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I can give a minor example demonstrating the aforementioned attitude of some kama aina (native born Hawaiians). My daughter in law has pale skin and red hair. She was eating in a pizza shop and a native girl saw a haole (pronounced howl-lee, means white) she didn't like on sight, and just walked over, stole the pizza off her plate, returned to her own seat and ate it.
Of course the natives do have some historical justification for such an attitude. No rational person can deny that.
Just as criminalizing concealed carry started in the South with Jim Crowe laws, I am convinced that the HI gun laws, particularly the prohibition of concealed-carry, stem from the haoles' desire to keep the kama aina unarmed. (I know, HI is a statutory "may issue" state; but prove to me than one non-LEO, non-security guard, or non-politically-connected private citizen has one.)
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 03:48 am |
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The police/government does not care.
They police are armed and can protect themselves.
The government officials can get permits so they are protected.
Why should they care? Human nature at its most obvious.
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