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expvideo
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Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 03:15 pm |
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LEO 229 wrote: I would love to live in Hawaii but the gun laws suck!!
I cannot bring my machine gun, SBRs or silencers...!!
Not sure why not.... I guess there is no crime at all on the islands with these fantastic restrictions in place, huh? 
Asside from theft there is very little crime in Hawaii. I am considering moving to Maui. I used to go there every year and my fiancee grew up on Maui. Murders over there are incredibly rare and always a big deal when they happen. When they moved to the seattle area they were affraid to go outside because of all of the violence on the news. It's really a different place.
Whenever I go to visit Maui, I spend the whole week unarmed but it doesn't really bother me. Out here in the seattle area, I feel unsafe when I'm unarmed, but in Maui I really don't. I really think that if I lived in Maui I probably wouldn't really want to carry a gun anyway, just because I'd really never need it.
I think that they should have more lenient laws and that carry should be legal there. I want to have my right to carry a gun in any state. It really does bother me, and it makes me think twice about wanting to move there. But when I'm there I really don't think about it too much. It's a very relaxed and friendly place. There is an anti-US thing over there, since they think life was better before the white man (search white history + any other culture), but it isn't really a violent thing.
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gridboy
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Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 03:50 pm |
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I would disagree on there being so little crime in Hawai`i that carrying a
gun is not really desirable. There are some murders, even on Maui.
There are plenty of car breakins, house burglaries, assaults, etc.
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swillden
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Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 04:59 pm |
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expvideo wrote: Asside from theft there is very little crime in Hawaii.
Not really. It's not bad, but it's far from crime-free.
According to http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/US_States_Rate_Ranking.html, out of 52 regions (50 states, one district and one territory), Hawaii ranks- 42nd in violent crime (WA 29th)
- 47th in homicide (WA 35th)
- 37th in forcible rape (WA 6th)
- 37th in robbery (WA 28th)
- 40th in aggravated assault (WA 30th)
- 3rd in property crime (WA 1st)
- 17th in burglary (WA 9th)
- 1st in larceny (WA 2nd)
- 5th in motor vehicle theft (WA 4th)
While Hawaii is in the bottom 20% for crimes against people, and certainly safer than WA, it's not the safest place in the country. If people in North Dakota, Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire benefit from carrying, Hawaiians would too.
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Pointman
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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 10:40 pm |
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I've bounced around Hawaii a few times, and my wife and I went to all the islands (except the private island) on our honeymoon. She has a friend who lives on Kauai, and he took us all over--great guy (even though he's a lawyer). On other islands we rented a rag-top Jeep or a motorcycle. (Do NOT rent a Harley V-max. The passenger pillion is horrible! It's like leather over cardboard on the fender.) We had a great time. Everything there was pretty darn sweet, other than the rampant poverty.
Since both of us are pretty big people, we went into the back country on our own, even took the V-max on dirt-roads to the top of the summits, or as close as the dirt roads led. The views are just fantastic. However, the poverty is overwhelming. The poor people are not, NOT, wait, let me bold that--NOT nice. I don't blame them, really, for not being anything but cross when some freaking-tall mainlanders drive up near their pieced-together shack on a brand-new V-max. We had to keep moving at times to avoid trouble from thug-like locals, but all was not bad.
Would we move there? We thought about it, but aside from the fact that it's very expensive, there's a lot of poverty. With poverty comes crime. With crime comes violence. And without being able to carry a firearm, there's really no decent way to protect yourself. (In Puerto Rico the $3 machete is standard fare, but I'd hate to face 3 locals by myself.)
Hopefully DC vs. Heller works out for the beautiful state of Hawaii too. My wife really wants to go back, and over the past 15 years I've seen poverty there get a lot worse. I'm not sure I'd pack a firearm even if reciprocity allowed us to on our next trip, but I'd think about it.
To all the wonderful residents there, we had a great trip, took a lot of pictures, and loved spending time visiting the islands.
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 01:34 pm |
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| I know it is really bad here I have just kinda gotten into target shooting as a hobbie and even for buying a AR-15 the law's are pretty insane I mean there are bad guy's out there that have gun's knife's and they make it hard for anyway to protect them selfs I myself don't get why you cannot have silencers or no more then 10 round clips for your pistol, I have not gotten one yet but I plan on getting a glock.. But at least you can have 30rnd mags for your AK and AR's from what I have heard but others say you cannot have them for your AR's. I don't know why, so much people down at the range have 30rnd mags for there AR's.. Im just playing it safe buy not having any. They where selling old GI 30 round mags at the gun show they had here a few months ago but the cost was crazy for used mags.. But I am pretty sure you can have them but don't take my word for it check it out for yourself as for me I use the 10 round mag that came with my AR, you can only have 5 round's in your mag at the range anyway but I must say I like it down there its alot of fun and there are pretty cool people that will help you out with anything you need to know.. but they way you have to buy a pistol is kinda weird but I will be doing it soon so I can own one I really wanna get down to the pistol side of the range and I found someone that can give me the test to allow me to buy a pistol, he is at the range every sunday he came up to check out my ACOG on my AR, he really wants one but then I told him how much they cost..
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gridboy
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 05:25 pm |
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expvideo wrote: LEO 229 wrote: I would love to live in Hawaii but the gun laws suck!!
I cannot bring my machine gun, SBRs or silencers...!!
Not sure why not.... I guess there is no crime at all on the islands with these fantastic restrictions in place, huh?
Asside from theft there is very little crime in Hawaii. I am considering moving to Maui. I used to go there every year and my fiancee grew up on Maui. Murders over there are incredibly rare and always a big deal when they happen. When they moved to the seattle area they were affraid to go outside because of all of the violence on the news. It's really a different place.
Whenever I go to visit Maui, I spend the whole week unarmed but it doesn't really bother me. Out here in the seattle area, I feel unsafe when I'm unarmed, but in Maui I really don't. I really think that if I lived in Maui I probably wouldn't really want to carry a gun anyway, just because I'd really never need it.
I think that they should have more lenient laws and that carry should be legal there. I want to have my right to carry a gun in any state. It really does bother me, and it makes me think twice about wanting to move there. But when I'm there I really don't think about it too much. It's a very relaxed and friendly place. There is an anti-US thing over there, since they think life was better before the white man (search white history + any other culture), but it isn't really a violent thing.
When I visit Maui and Big Island, it doesn't feel like there are any "bad areas".
To me, it doesn't feel like there is as much poverty as another poster has mentioned.
I have heard that burglaries and car break-ins are high, due to druggies looking for
money or stuff to sell.
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 10:37 am |
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| Yeah the biggest thing here are burglaries my whole street go broken into cept my house in ewa beach I guess it was due to someone always being home..
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Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 10:32 pm |
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Hi all,
I'm new here and new to the idea of carrying a handgun as someone who has recently gotten more involved with civil liberties issues. Right now just looking into the legal side of getting hold of a couple of hunting rifles to protect the land I live on and hunt for food.
I've lived in Hawaii for 3 years now and my impression is that apart from theft and brawls there is very little crime here compared to the mainland. I hitchhike all the time all over the place as a young woman alone and have so far never felt threatened. I wouldn't even think of doing this anywhere on the continental US. The police, and all branches of state and local government for that matter are indeed extremely corrupt though.
There are some exceptions to that which I hope will increase: the Hawaii County Council just voted to stop accepting federal and state DEA funding and thereby the obligation to actively assist the DEA in the infamous "Operation Green Harvest". This is a pretty big instance of turning down pork in favor of common sense IMO and hopefully the state dept. of Ed. will follow suit and opt out of NCLB, etc.
In order to be able to own rifles (which many people do here, hunting is a very popular pastime) it seems there are 2 options: either take a hunter safety course with the DLNR or apply for a permit at the local police station which according to some longterm HI resident friends of mine is basically filling out a form, paying a fee and then waiting a rather long time while they do a background check on you to see if you've ever been convicted of a violent crime.
Is this confirmed by the experiences of you folks here?
Then as for the matter of carrying a handgun, whether concealed or openly, this seems to fall under totally different, more stringent rules?
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MachOne.45ACP
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 11:23 am |
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WhiteCloud wrote: Then as for the matter of carrying a handgun, whether concealed or openly, this seems to fall under totally different, more stringent rules?
Yes, there is a seperate and MUCH more stringent rule set for handgun carry. Basically, if you are not a retired law enforcement officer (from Hawaii) you will not get a CCW. Here is a link to the application:
http://hawaii.gov/ag/LEO/271181-1-applic-soh-firearm-certif.pdf
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:31 pm |
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Under HR-218
How can this form be legal ????
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MachOne.45ACP
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 04:17 am |
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Not being thoroughly familiar with HR-218, I'd be interested to hear your opinion on why you feel it is not a legal application with respect to HR-218.
It seemed to me that it provides a means for retired police officers to carry a handgun concealed, providing they follow the laws of the state. The only hair splitting I came up with after a cursory look at HR-218 was that the Hawaii permit does not have provisions to allow ACTIVE DUTY LEO's to carry concealed. Not sure, but I think that is automatic and needs no permit/special permission.
Any Hawaiian LEO's can shed light on this?
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 06:54 pm |
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Well, first I will try to post and paste itmes, but to start:
1. HR 218 is Federal, When State and Federal differ, Federal trumps State.
2. LEOSA does not require CCW for active OR retired officers to CC.
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Under H.R. 218, qualified retired law enforcement officers may carry a concealed firearm if they meet the criteria of the Federal law. One of the requirements is that a retired officer demonstrate firearms proficiency in the type of firearm being carried. This proficiency must have occurred within 12 months of the time the retiree is in possession of the firearm.
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and yes
2 years K-Bay
1 year Pearl City
3 1/2 years Ewe Beach (Iriquois Point)
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MachOne.45ACP
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 10:20 am |
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| Certainly, no offense intended here (I'm retired military myself): I don't think being a Military Police would qualify you to obtain a CCW here in Hawaii - I would guess it applies only to "real" police officers (civilian) based on the wording.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 02:13 am |
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No offense taken, I only ment I lived there a few years.
I wasn't MP, I was a Cook in the Marine Corps. I am current FLEO since "95, but HR-218 wasn't in effect when I was there.
I just question how the State can regulate a Federal law, My LEOSA ID should be enough for me to carry (If I ever go back)
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Glock Fan
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 11:08 am |
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swillden wrote: expvideo wrote: Asside from theft there is very little crime in Hawaii.
Not really. It's not bad, but it's far from crime-free.
According to http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/US_States_Rate_Ranking.html, out of 52 regions (50 states, one district and one territory), Hawaii ranks
- 42nd in violent crime (WA 29th)
- 47th in homicide (WA 35th)
- 37th in forcible rape (WA 6th)
- 37th in robbery (WA 28th)
- 40th in aggravated assault (WA 30th)
- 3rd in property crime (WA 1st)
- 17th in burglary (WA 9th)
- 1st in larceny (WA 2nd)
- 5th in motor vehicle theft (WA 4th)
While Hawaii is in the bottom 20% for crimes against people, and certainly safer than WA, it's not the safest place in the country. If people in North Dakota, Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire benefit from carrying, Hawaiians would too.
+1 on these stats, but keep in mnd that there is A LOT of crimes that go unreported. Many tourists from especially the Asian countries don't report crime mostly because of their culture. Many are ashamed that they became a victim of crime or they're "too proud". Other times tourists don't report crimes because they don't want to come back and testify in court.
Hawaii would be a much nicer place if we were allowed to exercise our 2A rights.
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 08:41 pm |
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Well at least that explains Obama's support of 2A. He was reared in HI. 
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 12:16 pm |
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DefenseEngineer wrote:
I can read the sarcasm. 
Crime is out of control on the islands in large part do to corrupt police officers. The FBI here has repeatedly investigated and prosecuted local police. But they keep at it. Running security for illegal cock fights and similar.
I need to modify my last statement though. It's not all of the islands that have to fly to O'ahu for firearm registration. Moloka'i and Lanai do because they fall under the jurisdiction of the HPD (Honolulu Police Department). The other islands have their own jurisdictions.
My whole life on the mainland I was never the victim of a crime. In the 4.5 years I've lived in Hawaii (6 months of that in Afghanistan and another year in other locations), I have been the victim of crimes 3 times. Yet I am not allowed to defend myself or my property. That's why I'm leaving soon. I've had enough.
The locals here just accept it as part of life. I don't.
Actually, Lanai and Moloka'i fall under the jurisdiction of Maui County. As for CCW permits, my girlfriend's friend was issued one by the Kauai county police chief a number of years ago because he feared he would get robbed whilst collecting the money from vending machines he serviced. No doubt his permit has long since expired. I am sending a letter to the Honolulu Police Department's Chief today, requesting he entertain my intent to apply for a CCW permit and/or Open carry. I am a photographer by trade and it is not uncommon for me to haul around thousands of dollars worth of gear in shady and remote areas with plenty of crackheads to spare. We'll see how it goes. Otherwise, they can talk to my lawyer...
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Pointman
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| I've never seen the word "justification" in any bill of rights. Since when does a "right" require you "justify" a "need?"
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 03:32 pm |
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I must travel to Honolulu (Again) for Work...as always I will bring my firearm and 6 rounds.
As I read the "Laws" I will not have to register my firearm if a resident of the state where to invite me to come a shoot on their property.
Is there anyone who is willing to do this for me? If it helps I work for the Fed and have a Concealed Handgun Permit Issued by the Courts in Virginia.
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sudden valley gunner
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 04:45 pm |
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| Hard to find anybody on Oahu...a crowded Island. If you were going to The big island you could find somebody like that. There are a lot of unincorporated areas out there, we had built a gun range in a lava tube on my uncle's property out there. That was fun. He had to move though and I don't think he has a place on his new property.
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