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Batx00
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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 01:25 am |
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My take on what AlphaMike said is this:
Be tactful and careful, if you get the wrong people up set it could mean that this great new law we have might be overturned just because they dont like it.
I think he should have chosen his wording better but he is on our side working for our cause, just trying to tells us to be a little more careful. Can you imagine the hayday the press would have had if they had shown up when this was going on?
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Sa45auto
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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 01:30 am |
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Batx00 wrote:
My take on what AlphaMike said is this:
Be tactful and careful, if you get the wrong people up set it could mean that this great new law we have might be overturned just because they dont like it.
I think he should have chosen his wording better but he is on our side working for our cause, just trying to tells us to be a little more careful. Can you imagine the hayday the press would have had if they had shown up when this was going on?
I agree completely.
Very well said
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GeneticsDave
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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 06:40 am |
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So what? Do we ever get to hear this audio recording?
Good job Saint! Your exploits are being read in the neighboring state of Utah!
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Saint
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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 04:38 pm |
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The audio recording is not in my possesion right now. I haven't actually had a chance to listen to it yet and I doubt that the sound quality is going to be very good based on the fact the the recorder was at least 10 - 12 feet from me. However, as soon as I get a chance I will try and upload it assuming there is anything able to be heard.
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Saint
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 10:30 pm |
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Well here is an update for everyone. I am currently sitting and typing this report while on the first floor of the library and am wearing my Glock 19 in my serpa holster and an extra 17 rnd mag on weak side.
This is my first time back to the library since last weeks incident.
When I entered the library, I walked over to a computer by audio-visual to check on some of my account stuff. Approx two mins later, Tom (the man who began the incident last week) walked up and approached me. He shook my hand, told me congratulations and 'good job knowing the law' He was very pleasent and friendly, and attempted to make sure there were no hard feelings. We talked for about 5 mins or so about open carry and my reasoning on it, and he told me that he understood and had only been trying to follow the policy and that he actually had no problem with it.
He then told me he used to carry a .44 and we talked about hunting a little bit. I reiterated to him that my intention is not to cause concern or to make a problem and that it is simply my preferred legal method of carry. He responded that he understood and that I obviously knew the law very well and that I had been very cordial and articulate during the incident last week.
In the end he left sounding very supportive of my carry, supportive of the right for students to carry on campus, and in an overall good mood. We officially introduced ourselves to one another and he wished me a good day.
So to all the nay-sayers who were predicting a huge backlash from this incident...
Instead we have accomplished what we usually do. Education and understanding by the community. The BPD is better informed on gun laws, the library is now operating under correct policy, and good will is held by all. MOLON LABE!
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 10:35 pm |
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Saint wrote: Well here is an update for everyone. I am currently sitting and typing this report while on the first floor of the library and am wearing my Glock 19 in my serpa holster and an extra 17 rnd mag on weak side.
This is my first time back to the library since last weeks incident.
When I entered the library, I walked over to a computer by audio-visual to check on some of my account stuff. Approx two mins later, Tom (the man who began the incident last week) walked up and approached me. He shook my hand, told me congratulations and 'good job knowing the law' He was very pleasent and friendly, and attempted to make sure there were no hard feelings. We talked for about 5 mins or so about open carry and my reasoning on it, and he told me that he understood and had only been trying to follow the policy and that he actually had no problem with it.
He then told me he used to carry a .44 and we talked about hunting a little bit. I reiterated to him that my intention is not to cause concern or to make a problem and that it is simply my preferred legal method of carry. He responded that he understood and that I obviously knew the law very well and that I had been very cordial and articulate during the incident last week.
In the end he left sounding very supportive of my carry, supportive of the right for students to carry on campus, and in an overall good mood. We officially introduced ourselves to one another and he wished me a good day.
So to all the nay-sayers who were predicting a huge backlash from this incident...
Instead we have accomplished what we usually do. Education and understanding by the community. The BPD is better informed on gun laws, the library is now operating under correct policy, and good will is held by all. MOLON LABE!
Congrats !!!
I finally had a good experience with WVCPD in Ut and here is my short story. Both of us has accomplished something very good.
Awesome OC experience @ the Local Albertsons
TJ
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akhunter3
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 11:24 pm |
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Saint!
Congratulations man! Glad that it went so well and it's good to see your getting everyone educated about OC! You seem to be quite the professional!
Keep it up!
Jon
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bobcat
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 06:26 am |
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Excellent job to all involved. This proves knowledge coupled with good attitude provides the basis for a good outcome.
It warms the cockles of this old boy's heart to see young men (and their spouses as need be) so meaningfully involved in preserving our Republic. There is a chance.
A big tip O the hat and a hearty handshake.
Thank you all.
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IndianaBoy79
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 02:04 am |
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Next OC meetup at the library? 
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Saint
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 08:04 am |
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Lol... here is an interesting note for those who care... the lead officer (Officer Brek Orton) is flying down to DC tomorrow to receive a special commendation award known as the "Top Cop" award. Link to the article here...
http://http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/CommunityOutreachDivision/CommunityConnections/page26143.aspx
Also, one of my friends from work posted my story on the GlockTalk forum and it's been getting pretty positive feedback. Link to that thread is here...
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=869255
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 06:07 pm |
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Saint..... A true modern day Stripling Son, who, though he is very young, stands firm in the face of overwhelming odds.
Well done.
Tarzan
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 08:48 am |
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Well done Saint!...well done.
May I ask, did you write a positive note to the PD for their professional manor in this incident?
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 04:41 pm |
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Keep in mind, guys,
The officers did far better than they sometimes do, but they still disarmed Saint, and rather than giving the gun back, stuck it in his backpack unloaded. This is unacceptable. Saint committed no crime but was disarmed. Show me what makes that legal.
And don't anybody say, "officer safety" because what they did was not safe (it pissed of a nearby armed citizen-ME). Pissing of a trained, armed individual, who controlls your flank isn't my idea of safe! Most officers who die on the job, die in car wrecks, or are shot by their own buddies, so if they want "officer safety", slow your patrol car the H*** down, and don't aim at your buddies!!!
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Saint
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 05:41 pm |
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Comp-tech wrote: Well done Saint!...well done.
May I ask, did you write a positive note to the PD for their professional manor in this incident?
As Patriot pointed out, although the officers handled themselves with far more professionalism than was expected, they none-the-less confiscated by belonging against my will (read stole) searched my person without cause and without a warrent, publicly emberrassed me, refused to return my belongings to me even after they had determined that I was legal, forced me to leave a public place in violation of state law... etc.
The end result is that they are not deserving of receiving a note that thanks them for their actions but I am also not filing a citizens complaint against them or sueing the department or library. The confrontation went better than it could have, but worse than it should have
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 03:47 pm |
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Just an update folks.
http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2009/S1024PrinterFriendly.htm
SENATE BILL 1024
Full Text of Bill
Statement of Purpose / Fiscal Note
S1024 by BOCK
FIREARMS - Adds to existing law relating to firearms to provide that political subdivisions of the state may regulate the possession of firearms at certain public meetings and to provide that certain political subdivisions of this state may regulate the possession of firearms within and on the property of public libraries.
01/23 Senate intro - 1st rdg - to printing
01/26 Rpt prt - to St Aff
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American Rattlesnake
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 06:08 pm |
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They're trying to undo preemption? How much support is there for something of this nature?
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 06:28 pm |
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| I'm heading to Boise airport next month and I will oc as normal. I might need some of these contacts there that day.
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Saint
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 08:02 pm |
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I'll try and get in touch with Senator Mackenzie and Rep. Hart soon. No way this will pass anyway but we definitely need to make sure the legislature understand that selective pre-emption is unacceptable.
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 08:03 pm |
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Who is sponsoring this bill btw?
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 08:23 pm |
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Les Bock. (D) from cali
http://www.lesbock.org/
http://www.bocklaw.com/
email lesbock@bocklaw.com
http://www.bocklaw.com/webstats/
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