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SlackwareRobert
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 08:40 pm |
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Well my bad side is showing, perhaps you should ask Tom if they have a copy of
"helter skelter" on the shelf.
As for the senators gift... either a "my civil rights are showing" T-shirt, autographed
of course, or a nice desk ornament with a set of brass b*lls hanging.
I can't even get a legible reply from my reps, and you get them on your phone,
I am envious, and can see how you get such good strong laws.
Myself I would be nervous about having the gun in the back pack so close
to the "school zone ban" books. 
Can't wait for the audio, or transcripts.
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Eagleeye
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 08:54 pm |
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563 wrote: Les Bock. (D) from cali
That explains about 99.99% of it.
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Vandal
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 09:58 pm |
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I have emailed my state senator regarding this and some other issues I have been thinking about.
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563
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Posted: Wed Feb 4th, 2009 10:39 pm |
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This guy should've known better than to try and mess with our gun laws, doing so will only stir up a hornets nest.
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thefirststrike
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 10:04 am |
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So if I have this correct, the fact that Idaho has preemption means that NO municipality can make a law or ordinance that prohibits open carry in any public buildings? Including schools and libraries and courthouses? Is that correct?
Pardon me for my ignorance, I am still learning the intricate details of what is and isn't allowed.
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Vandal
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 04:48 pm |
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The state has already regulated carry where it deems it to be unreasonable and with out purpose, K-12 school, courthouses in the secured areas, places that get more than 51% of revenue from alcohol sales. I am sure I am missing some but those are big ones that hit me right now. There is no law stating that I cannot carry my 45 on college campus'. The problem with that is the State of Idaho has allowed the Universities to create that rule themselves in violation of the Idaho Constitution. You can currently carry in libraries and most public building.
The jist of pre-emption is to prevent places like Moscow from making city code that further limits carry like the Mayor up here tried to do after a shooting took place. She basically wanted it to be illegal to carry a gun in moscow. The AG slapped her back into her place on that one.
I cannot quote you the State Code right now, give me a few to look it up.
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American Rattlesnake
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 07:26 pm |
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TITLE 18
CHAPTER 33
18-3302J. PREEMPTION OF FIREARMS REGULATION.
(1) The legislature finds that uniform laws regulating firearms are necessary to protect the individual citizen’s right to bear arms guaranteed by amendment 2 of the United States Constitution and section 11, article I of the constitution of the state of Idaho. It is the legislature’s intent to wholly occupy the field of firearms regulation within this state.
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thefirststrike
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 07:43 pm |
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Thanks Vandal and Rattlesnake. I know I had read the statute before but it would have taken me some time to find it again.
Vandal I remember that shooting at the Sheriff's office, and her subsequent efforts to ban guns. My ex-wife and I had some dealings with her before that about some other things not related to guns. She is an idiot. After we met with her I knew what she was all about. I was not surprised to hear that she tried that ban, and I was equally ecstatic when the AG slapped her down. I believe I actually laughed out loud that day!! hehe
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Vandal
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 09:15 pm |
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I also heard back from Kate Kelly, my state senator, on S1024. She informed me that it was a personal bill sponsored by Bock and is very unlikely to move past a reading to an actual vote.
This proves it guys and gals, you write, they listen. I have yet to hear back from Mr. Les Bock regarding my query into his bill.
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 09:35 pm |
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Vandal wrote: I have yet to hear back from Mr. Les Bock regarding my query into his bill.
It's funny you mention that, as I wrote him too, and told him to move back to Cali. 
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JB
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 10:36 pm |
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Vandal wrote: The state has already regulated carry where it deems it to be unreasonable and with out purpose, K-12 school, courthouses in the secured areas, places that get more than 51% of revenue from alcohol sales. I am sure I am missing some but those are big ones that hit me right now. There is no law stating that I cannot carry my 45 on college campus'. The problem with that is the State of Idaho has allowed the Universities to create that rule themselves in violation of the Idaho Constitution. You can currently carry in libraries and most public building.
The jist of pre-emption is to prevent places like Moscow from making city code that further limits carry like the Mayor up here tried to do after a shooting took place. She basically wanted it to be illegal to carry a gun in moscow. The AG slapped her back into her place on that one.
I cannot quote you the State Code right now, give me a few to look it up.
Are you sure on the bold part? That would be news to me.
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 11:37 pm |
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| That is how I have understood it. If you can show me code to the opposite, I am all for knowing more.
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 11:54 pm |
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TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 33
FIREARMS, EXPLOSIVES AND
OTHER DEADLY WEAPONS
18-3302C. PROHIBITED CONDUCT. Any person obtaining a license under the
provisions of section 18-3302, Idaho Code, shall not:
(1) Carry a concealed weapon in a courthouse, juvenile detention facility
or jail, public or private school, except as provided in subsection (4)(f) of
section 18-3302D, Idaho Code;......
This is pertaining to concealed weapons, but I assume it would also apply to open carry.
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American Rattlesnake
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Posted: Fri Feb 6th, 2009 12:34 am |
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I was just about to post that, JB. 
Vandal, do you have any citations to back up your assertion about places where alcohol sales make up 51% of the revenue?
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Vandal
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Posted: Fri Feb 6th, 2009 05:37 am |
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| I don't. I am trying to look it up but friggin homework is drowning me. If anyone knows something I don't, I am willing to learn.
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American Rattlesnake
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Posted: Fri Feb 6th, 2009 05:52 am |
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Vandal wrote: I don't. I am trying to look it up but friggin homework is drowning me. If anyone knows something I don't, I am willing to learn.
Good luck. I know homework can really be a burden at times. It will pass. 
The only statute I can find with respect to firearms and alcohol is below, which has no reference to a place of business. Obviously, I may be overlooking a statute and any further information is welcome
TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 33
FIREARMS, EXPLOSIVES AND OTHER DEADLY WEAPONS
18-3302B.Carrying concealed weapons under the influence of alcohol or drugs. It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a concealed weapon on or about his person when intoxicated or under the influence of an intoxicating drink or drug. Any violation of the provisions of this section shall be a misdemeanor.
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Posted: Fri Feb 6th, 2009 04:14 pm |
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Well, it looks like your pencil-necked librarian went to his buddy and got him to propose a bill!!
It's Les Bock, District 16, who's proposing this bill. Contact info here:
http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/about/contactmembersform.cfm?ID=10
Why not let him know what we think of it, and that we know the genesis of this idea. Mebbe oughta let the librarian know, too -
Don't know which committee it's been sent to, but contact the committee chair ASAP and ask that the bill never see the light of day. It's truly surprising how many pieces of legislation get lost in the desk drawers of the committee chairs...
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Posted: Fri Feb 6th, 2009 06:14 pm |
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Look above in the thread, you'll find I did just that. I got a response from Kate Kelly that the bill is a "personal" bill is won't make it past the reading and will most likely die a horrible death in committee.
I attempted to contact Les Bock but for some odd reason (note: sarcasm) he has yet to respond to me. The best thing we can do is continue to write to him in a professional and not emotionally based manner and ask his reasoning for the bill and what the voting public's opinion is. Also be sure to write to your state senators to voice your opinion so they will know how to vote if it ever comes up.
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Posted: Fri Feb 6th, 2009 06:33 pm |
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DCR wrote: Well, it looks like your pencil-necked librarian went to his buddy and got him to propose a bill!!
It's Les Bock, District 16, who's proposing this bill. Contact info here:
http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/about/contactmembersform.cfm?ID=10
Why not let him know what we think of it, and that we know the genesis of this idea. Mebbe oughta let the librarian know, too -
Don't know which committee it's been sent to, but contact the committee chair ASAP and ask that the bill never see the light of day. It's truly surprising how many pieces of legislation get lost in the desk drawers of the committee chairs...
I have a feeling the librarian (Tom) had nothing to do with this. I was in the library for the first time in over a 2 months this week and Tom made it a point to come up and say hi. He and I chatted for about 5 mins and he was very nice and had absolutely nothing but good things to say in regards to OC.
This is something Bock is doing and he needs to be shut down ASAP
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Posted: Fri Feb 6th, 2009 11:58 pm |
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| Saint: I'm glad to hear you have had good interactions with the librarian recently, and I apparently stand corrected. I apologize for using disparaging terms toward the librarian, who, based on your description, sounds like a nice guy - someone I'd like to meet and befriend. If Tom is reading, I am sorry for speaking speculatively and without personal knowledge.
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