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GreenDrake
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 02:25 pm |
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Good to go Saint, glad you had the composure the spare a life, taking one is not something anyone wants to have to do.
and Hiredgun, you are fired. That site is absolutely hilarious, I have been searching co-workers, friends, etc. and know a lot more about their past thanks to that. I even check up on neighbors with that now. Woudathunkit.
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Agent19
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 02:42 pm |
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Glad you are Okay.
Good Job!!!
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bourneshooter
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| http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2008/08/dgu-at-table-rock.html#links
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Gunslinger
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 04:07 pm |
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| When you have seconds to live, the cops are minutes away. Glad it worked out. Probably, I would have shot him when he pointed the gun at my friends.
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Drgong
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 05:48 pm |
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| Saint, you are a saint in dealing with it how you did. Good job!
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Hubby_MC
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 06:53 pm |
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I have the video clips from the tv stations on a .wmv file compressed to around 5.7mb if anyone wants them emailed or have a place to upload them to let me know.
saint, I have a couple copies on DVD for you!
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Saint
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 07:00 pm |
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Thanks for the support everyone. I appreciate all the compliments and criticisms.
I would caution anyone here though about saying that they would have dumped lead into the guy. Frankly, you don't know what you are going to do until you get in the situation regardless of how you practice.
I made the decision I did that night based on my understanding of the situation at the time and my belief that my gun is a last resort. I am fortunate in that it worked out and everyone lived.
That being said, I have reviewed the situation and the next time something like that happens to me, I will be shooting first and asking my questions later. The good news of this one is that the BG is behind bars and no one got hurt
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ChinChin
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 07:30 pm |
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ironshields wrote: ChinChin wrote: ironshields wrote: way to keep your cool out there saint. just one thing though. why did you let him get back in the truck. I would have told him to sit is @$$ down until the BPD showed up. im glad to hear you are all safe.
this is why you need to go to frontsight. the guy wouldn't have had time to crap himself before he dropped like a sack of potatoes.
Not to hijack the thread. . .Isn't Front Site the outfit run by the Scientologist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Piazza yes it is. well he pretty much believes in everything. to Piazza, religion is more of an insurance policy than anything. but that doesn't mean that he can't create one of the greatest firearm training courses known to man. I took the entry level 4 day defensive handgun course. you can check out the web-sight at Frontsight.com. his mission in the gun community is one we sould all adhear to.
ps. by the end of the class my friend outshot an Army special opps guy who is supposedly one of the better marksmen in the North-west.
Didn't mean to question any belief policies. . .it was more a point of clarifacation. Thanks for the info.
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 07:36 pm |
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Hubby_MC wrote: I have the video clips from the tv stations on a .wmv file compressed to around 5.7mb if anyone wants them emailed or have a place to upload them to let me know.
saint, I have a couple copies on DVD for you!
Hubby MC, create an account at youtube.com and upload for all to enjoy
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IndianaBoy79
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 07:38 pm |
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ironshields wrote: IndianaBoy79 wrote I probably would be in counseling right now trying to deal with the fact I just took a human life.
dude. counseling. I would not have a second thought about inserting the proper amount of hot led into the wack-job to defuse the situation.
It's one thing to say how easy it would be to follow your training and shoot a human, but it's a whole different sack of potatoes when it comes to actually doing it. I'm saying I would hope to have followed my training and shot in that situation, but even knowing I did the right thing, I believe there would be some emotional consequences for doing so.
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Saint
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 07:49 pm |
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IndianaBoy79 wrote: ironshields wrote: IndianaBoy79 wrote I probably would be in counseling right now trying to deal with the fact I just took a human life.
dude. counseling. I would not have a second thought about inserting the proper amount of hot led into the wack-job to defuse the situation.
It's one thing to say how easy it would be to follow your training and shoot a human, but it's a whole different sack of potatoes when it comes to actually doing it. I'm saying I would hope to have followed my training and shot in that situation, but even knowing I did the right thing, I believe there would be some emotional consequences for doing so.
If you don't have a second thought about taking a human life, that is very dangerous. I made my choices for specific reasons. I took a risk that had big payoffs (not shooting and everyone gets to live) and it worked. I was prepared to pull the trigger as soon as I believed I was in a good position and able to accurately take him down. By that point I had taken control of the situation enough where killing him was no longer necessary.
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Hubby_MC
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 08:15 pm |
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Like I mentioned, in police, and military training, they always emphasized....... take into account the "totallity of the circumstances"
No ammount of training can give you a black and white answer to the shoot, dont shoot question simply because there is no way to predict every possible situation or outcome. Training provides us all with guidelines that can help your decision making process but it cannot make the decision for you.
When I first attended training along these lines as a young man I actually thought there would be some magic book that said...... in this case....... do this..... in this case..... do that. Unfortunately it just doesnt exist. That at first was very disheartening. Eventually you see why and learn to accept it.
Personally, I think you did a fantastic job. The people I know agree with that decision. I am not saying it was the only answer, or the only "legal" solution but I am commending your thought process.
Kudos!!!!!!!
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American Rattlesnake
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 08:31 pm |
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Saint
"I made the decision I did that night based on my understanding of the situation at the time and my belief that my gun is a last resort. I am fortunate in that it worked out and everyone lived."
"If you don't have a second thought about taking a human life, that is very dangerous."
"By that point I had taken control of the situation enough where killing him was no longer necessary."
Hubby_MC
"...take into account the "totallity of the circumstances" "
Wise words, Gentlemen. Saint, your maturity shows by the way in which you dealt with the situation and its aftermath, including your reports of the incident here. Though the opinion of a guy on the internet is worth less than what it's written on, I think you did a fine job. 
Regards,
AR
Emphasis in italics is mine.
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Saint
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 11:27 pm |
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I picked up two copies of the DVD that hubby put together from him today. It is a compilation of all of the news stories that were done about the incident. If anyone wants to see them let me know and i'll let you borrow it
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BrianEMT
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 01:32 am |
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Here is the link:
http://www.alieninnovations.com/saintktvb.wmv
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BrianEMT
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 03:37 am |
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Whoa...did anyone see his original processing picture?
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MarkinIdaho
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 04:51 am |
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You did very well, Saint. That guy is lucky to be alive.
I've told several people about your incident who'd been considering whether or not they might start carrying... whether it was even necessary here. Well, all three of them have decided to start open carrying and to get ccw permits as well.
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BrianEMT
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 05:35 am |
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Wait a second, the KTVB 7 reporter said "Tablerock Restaurant"...how do you even get this mixed up!?
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 10:55 am |
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| OMG Not to play armchair commando here, but if that guy had a gun pointed at me, at the first opportunity I had I would have fired my weapon on him. I see now there is a good reason to have one of my guns out of a holster when I drive. You my friend are brave to take his gun from him. I would not try to get that close to him myself. He better thank God he found you and not another person.
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 11:15 am |
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Has anyone read the most recent comment?
The pellet gunslinger approached the mighty concealed weapons permit holder with vengence pouring from his booze soaked eyes intent to wreak havoc and death upon the lawabiding citizen only to be faced with the business end of a .45. The citizen quickly recalled the rules of engagement determining in rapid fashion that he had every right to blow holes in the drunk devil before him. Alas, cooler heads prevailed and the stand off ended peacefully with another drunk behind bars and the good people of Idaho safe to blow holes in drunks another day.
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