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junglebob
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Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 04:28 am |
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Decoligny, You make an excellent point what if in 1986 folks in the non "shall issue" states or the "non-issue" states such as Alaska which now requires no permit, just said I'll just move to one of the 8 "shall issue" states. Alaska would be a "right denied" non issue state along with Illinois, Wisconsin, Texas, Nebraska, Kansas and some others. I think fanny packing in Illinois is like open carrying in some states such as Maryland where it is legal if you have a permit, but you may lose your permit, or Wisconsin where you may be arrested for disturbing the peace or some other charge.
I as others on the Illinoiscarry.com forum would like to see concealed carry legislation passed in Illinois, and maybe then we could work on open carry outside unincorporated areas.
I've mentioned to people on the Illinoiscarry forum who have said "don't fanny pack, you'll be arrested" If you are afraid to excercise the "fanny pack" option what about when Illinois gets concealed carry, some LEOs won't like it.
I do believe the motto here - A right unexcercised is a right lost! is correct.
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buketdude
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Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 04:51 am |
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| Connecticut has no helmet law..i think they tried years ago, it failed, and now they have given up.....but you would need a permit to carry a handgun unless on private property......New hampshire also has a no helmet law a believe...and they are very gun friendly..not to mention no sales or income tax!!..and the only state with no seat belt law...
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junglebob
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Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 01:33 pm |
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| deepdiver, You could try applying for an Ilinois FOID card, even though you don't live in Illinois if you wanted the "fanny pack" option while visiting. I don't know if you would get it, but the FOID application does have a place for city and state. Its only $5 for 5 years, changing to $10 for 10 years on or after January 1, 2008. You might be out $5 or $10 if they won't issue to you.
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junglebob
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Posted: Sun Jan 6th, 2008 11:21 pm |
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| I found something out about "Fanny pack carry" in Illinois that I didn't know. According to an article in the Tribune on concealcarry.org/trib28Nov200.htm it has been legal for 25 years. Still not something excercised by many Illinois residents and "a right unexcercised is a right lost". However more are excercising the right all the time so there may come the day when concealed carry is legal in Illinois and open carry outside rural areas.
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bongo968
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 01:50 am |
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| I met a chicago cop at Mom's garage sale and started talking carrying in a fanny pack and he said ,"the first thing I think when I see a fanny pack, is ,GUN" that changed my mind, I now live in Indiana.......Wahoooospan.jajahWrapper { font-size:1em; color:#B11196; text-decoration:underline; } a.jajahLink { color:#000000; text-decoration:none; } span.jajahInLink:hover { background-color:#B11196; }
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Gunslinger
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 10:46 pm |
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| Have to comment about the way it was, back in the day. I was born and raised in the Chicago suburbs--last place I lived was DuPage County, out in what was then unincorporated area where Bloomingdale is now grown out to. Used to wear my Colt Woodsman, loaded on a belt holster to go target shoot. Never thought twice about it and never a hassle. In fact, none of us were at all concerned about open carry when going target shooting--on private property, and neither were the cops. The most I ever was told was to "be careful of your backstop, son." Not talking about Kook Kounty, now, but conservative Republican DuPage. How times have changed. All you needed was the FID card to buy ammo, and you were in business.
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junglebob
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 08:25 pm |
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| Gunslinger, What year was this that you were open carrying in DuPage county? I've contemplated open carrying here in southern Illinois, south of I64 and a long way from Chicago. I'd be doing it in a rural area on a very rural road that I live on. I wonder about the possibility of the sheriff being called about "man with a gun" and being charged with disorderly conduct. I'm on the edge of the Shawnee Forest and don't expect any neighbors would make such a call but we do get bicyclers going by, maybe even Chicago folks on vacation.
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Gunslinger
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 10:02 pm |
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Late '60s, way back in the day! 
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gridboy
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 06:15 am |
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Doug Huffman wrote: junglebob wrote: How many people "fanny pack" carry here in Illinois?
Sticking my nose in here as a recent South Carolinian where CCW is the only legal carry. We are told that the cops consider a fanny-pack on a male as a dead give away and that they are 'trained' to detect concealed weapons.
The issue is so sensitive that we are also cautioned that a lady's concealed carry in a purse has been tested in court but not yet a man's carry in a briefcase. The nub being the statuatory definition of 'concealed'.
Hmmm, I'm going to be in Urbana-Champaign next week. Are the police there
trained to panic at the sight of a fanny pack? I may have to pick up one of the
tactical ones to tote my pocket litter around and provide cover for those of you
who do have guns in your packs.
gridboy (without FOID)
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unrequited
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 08:16 am |
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...the MMM supports you!
I support you too. Good luck with fanny-pack carry. from what I've read, it's rough, but it's working.
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junglebob
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 02:35 pm |
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Gridboy, I would think that Champaign/Urbana would be a reasonably safe place to "fanny pack" even if you carried a handgun in the pack. The Champaign County Rifle Association has long advocated it and even had the Champaign County Assistant States Attorney speak at one of their meetings, a second amendment advocate. Champaign County has not passed the second amendment resolution though, either voted it down or wouldn't bring it up for a vote. Don't know what the Champaign County States Attorney thinks about "fanny packing", I live a long way from Champaign.
Are you an out of stater? You mentioned not having a FOID card.
I've been "fanny packing" for a few years now, use an Uncle Mikes black pack. I've never been stopped by law enforcement while wearing it. Your results may vary.
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gridboy
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 03:05 pm |
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junglebob,
Yes, I'm from out-of-state, so I wasn't even going to bring a gun with me.
Hopefully, my tactical fanny pack will be enough to scare away the bad guys.
gridboy
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junglebob
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 08:12 pm |
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| Gridboy, I went to illinoisatlas.com and looked at crime statistics for Champaign. Their crime rate is 111 and 100 is figure for U.S. as a whole. If I read their map correctly Champaign county has a homocide rate of .1 to .09 per 100,000, pretty low state wide average is 7.9 and my county, a long way from Cook county is 10 to 14.9 and I don't consider our largest city as a particularly dangerous place. So even though you can't pack or "fanny pack" in Champaign you shouldn't have much to worry about. I always make a point to avoid parts of any city where I see many businesses with bars on the windows, places like East St. Louis.
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SAK
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 08:43 pm |
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I "fannypack" carry. I won an important case based on it. I am soon to win an important appeals case (more case law...yay), and lawsuit on it.
I'm battling a strong anti-exercise-your-rights attitute in Illinois, however. I've tried to explain that you've got to exercise what you have in order to retain it. The ONLY way to retain is to exercise. It's also absurd to ask for more rights when you're unwilling to exercise the ones still recognized. But for this excuse or that excuse, people crap on the idea and then the whole bandwagon jumps on board. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh
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lockman
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 01:32 pm |
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The States Attorney appealed your dismissal?
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SAK
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 02:26 pm |
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| Yes, unfortunately.
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DKSuddeth
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 03:06 pm |
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| hey sean, welcome back. been too long since we've heard from you.
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Hawk82
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 06:25 am |
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I've recently become process server (making better money than I did as a secondary teacher), and have had a FOID card for decades. I understand that I can carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun with me on serves in my car in a case with the ammunition, and unloaded. But I'm toying with the idea of a fanny-pack carry of a handgun. I live in Rockford, IL; but I serve in Winnebago, Ogle, Dekalb, Lee, and Stephenson Counties. I do end up in a lot of unincorporated areas doing my job. I was wondering if anyone had any fanny-pack experiences in these areas? I like the idea of the pack, because it gives me a place to keep my badge, phone, flashlight, pen, and digital camera (the guy who trained me wears a photo-journalist vest for these items).
I was also curious about state parks. I have a business that operates in a state park. I lease the facility from DNR. I know that the statute indicates that you can have a firearm on your person in your home or business. Since that portion of my park is my business, does that mean I can keep a firearm there? I think firearms are prohibited from state parks here, but then again I didn't see it mentioned in my lease.
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trailblazer2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 02:22 pm |
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Hawk82 wrote: I've recently become process server (making better money than I did as a secondary teacher), and have had a FOID card for decades. I understand that I can carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun with me on serves in my car in a case with the ammunition, and unloaded. But I'm toying with the idea of a fanny-pack carry of a handgun. I live in Rockford, IL; but I serve in Winnebago, Ogle, Dekalb, Lee, and Stephenson Counties. I do end up in a lot of unincorporated areas doing my job. I was wondering if anyone had any fanny-pack experiences in these areas? I like the idea of the pack, because it gives me a place to keep my badge, phone, flashlight, pen, and digital camera (the guy who trained me wears a photo-journalist vest for these items).
I used to process serve in Chicago back a few years ago. I worked for a PI agency, and if your owner agrees and you go through the hoops you should be able to get a tan card to carry. Also, word is of you are a PI supervisr, or are on call 24/7 you can carry 24/7, just in case you get called to work. I don't know the entire truth as to whether that really exists, so yrmv. But I do know that an investogator I worked with did infact carry concealed everyday he worked. You should check into it. I ended up leaving IL before I had a chance to ask my boss about carrying.
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lockman
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 04:16 pm |
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Fanny pack carry greatly (seconds count) reduce defensive readiness. I would not advise this type of carry for any situation where you place yourself into the fray voluntarily. A can of pepper spray in hand would be a greater asset than a firearm 5 or 6 seconds away. Both would be better, but if the spray buys you 5 or 6 seconds I would use it for my escape!
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