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junglebob
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Posted: Tue Sep 25th, 2007 02:56 am |
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| How many people "fanny pack" carry here in Illinois? Definition of fanny packing - carrying an unloaded handgun with loaded magazine in a case, usually a fanny pack type of case designed for a firearm. It is also sometimes refered to as "6 seconds from safety". This is legal in Illinois if you have a valid FOID card. Warning it may also get you arrested, though I have done it for over 2 years. No one has shown me any case law of someone convicted under Unlawful Use of Weapons statutes doing this either. Be sure to check any firearm transport ordinances if you will be "fanny packing" in a home rule community that has firearm ordinances. Last edited on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 02:57 am by junglebob
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tattedupboy
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Posted: Tue Sep 25th, 2007 03:41 am |
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How about just doing youself a favor and moving to a state where a citizen's right to carry a loaded gun on his person (and not unloaded with the ammo separate in a fanny pack) is recognized and respected. Even if it is technically legal, this method of carry will get you arrested in Cook county and in most other urban parts of the state. Furthermore, carrying a gun with the ammo separate is just like not carrying at all because the gun is not immediately accessible or useful. I hear that Las Vegas is pretty nice this time of year. So are Arizona and Virginia. There's also Kentucky, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire, and a host of other states that are far better than King Richard and Prince Rod Blagojebitch's People's Republic of Ill-annoy.
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junglebob
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Posted: Tue Sep 25th, 2007 02:59 pm |
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Well this is a forum for Illinois, and it is tempting to just move 60 miles into Kentucky. A lot of people in Illinois who would like to carry aren't in a position to move to friendlier territory for one reason or another. We are working at illinoiscarry.com to get concealed carry legislation in Illinois. Yes we may very well be the last state to get it. As this website says A RIGHT UNEXCERCISED IS A RIGHT LOST. Some people in open carry states like Wisconsin have effectively lost this right because they didn't excercise it. I think by people excercising the "fanny pack" option in Illinois the day when CCW legisaltion comes to Illinois will be sooner. I can't argue with you that you may be arrested in Cook county or other areas of North East Illinois and it might even happen in Southern Illinois.
For all our lousy firearms laws, Illinois almost got a uniform firearm transportation bill through the legislature a couple years ago. The governor vetoed it and then twisted the arms of a couple of democrats to change their vote. When he is out it may go through.
Why didn't you mention Indiana? You have some excellent firearms laws as well. I conceal carry in Indiana on a non-resident Pa permit when I visit, as I do in Kentucky and Missouri.
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Fallguy
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Posted: Tue Sep 25th, 2007 03:29 pm |
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Good luck with illinoiscarry.com junglebob!!
Maybe not the right forum for it, but something I find ironic is, how strict IL's gun laws are, but they are one of only four states with no helmet laws for motorcycles. I hope someday to live in a state where I an OC and ride without a lid.
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, do not want to get started on the whole helmet debate especially on a non MC board, just wanted to relate what I see as irony in the state of IL on allowing one freedom and not another.
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Posted: Tue Sep 25th, 2007 03:53 pm |
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If I lived in Illinois, it wouldn't be long before the gun laws there made this happen to me:
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junglebob
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Posted: Tue Sep 25th, 2007 06:53 pm |
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Illinois has such bad gun laws because of Chicago and its suburbs. If they became their own state we'd have a CCW bill go through the next session of the legislature. There is always good support for concealed carry south of I64 which I call Southern Illinois. I was talking with law enforcement from a city down here and he said they seldom arrest someone for Unlawful Use of Weapons unless there is domestic violence or a drug charge or something else like that involved. He said they maybe have 2 or 3 arrests a year for it. Chicago area is something else altogether, I'm almost as far as I can get from it and still be in Illinois.
That is interesting that Illinois is one of only 4 states that don't require you to wear a helmet when riding a motorcyle. What are the other 3?
Now I can tell some motorcycle rider from outside Illinois who complains about a helmet law, "Why don't you move to Illinois, I'd never stand for that!" What an infringement on your liberty. I suspect we have a motorcycle association doing some good lobbying.
Voting with your feet is always an option when you don't like something in your state, city, church, school, or job. Staying where you are and trying to change things is another option. There was a very good turn out this year for Gun Owners Lobby Day in the capital. Also the Illinois State Rifle Association has come out in support of concealed carry.
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Fallguy
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Posted: Tue Sep 25th, 2007 07:29 pm |
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junglebob wrote: That is interesting that Illinois is one of only 4 states that don't require you to wear a helmet when riding a motorcyle. What are the other 3?
The other 3 are IA, CO and NH.
Many others allow some form of choice for adults but those 4 have no laws at all concerning motorcycle helmets.
junglebob wrote:
I suspect we have a motorcycle association doing some good lobbying.
Yes...ABATE of Illnois. http://www.abate-il.org/
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tattedupboy
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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 01:01 am |
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Fallguy wrote: junglebob wrote: That is interesting that Illinois is one of only 4 states that don't require you to wear a helmet when riding a motorcyle. What are the other 3?
The other 3 are IA, CO and NH.
Many others allow some form of choice for adults but those 4 have no laws at all concerning motorcycle helmets.
junglebob wrote:
I suspect we have a motorcycle association doing some good lobbying.
Yes...ABATE of Illnois. http://www.abate-il.org/
That is slightly misleading to say that only 4 states don't have helmet laws. I live in a state (Indiana) that has no helmet laws for anyone over the age of 18. For people under 18 there is a law that requires them to wear a helmet at all times while on a motorcycle, but no such law exists for adults.
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Fallguy
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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 04:10 am |
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tattedupboy wrote: That is slightly misleading to say that only 4 states don't have helmet laws. I live in a state (Indiana) that has no helmet laws for anyone over the age of 18. For people under 18 there is a law that requires them to wear a helmet at all times while on a motorcycle, but no such law exists for adults.
Indiana then was one of the states I meant in my "Many others allow some form of choice for adults" statement. The 4 states I mentioned have NO law at all, adults or minors.
http://usff.com/hldl/frames/50state.html has a map very similar to OpenCarry to show which states are which. (Except they have gold(yellow) and green reversed)
Last edited on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 04:12 am by Fallguy
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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 04:29 am |
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| WRONG! New Jersey will be the last to get CCW! I stand corrected.... NJ will never get CCW. I lived there for a while and know the police state mentality they have
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junglebob
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Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2007 11:10 pm |
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Vermonter, There may not be a lot of people in New Jersey who get carry permits but some do right. Maybe only the rich and well connected. In Illinois you can be well connected and still not be able to carry. If you are rich the dirty little secret is you can buy a part interest in a detective agency, become classified as a supervisor (one who never really supervises) get a "tan card" issued to P.I.s and pack 24/7. As a P.I. said people who invest get it as an extra perc.
I assume you live in Vermont. Tell me why does a state like Vermont with its unrestrictive firearms laws elect two senators like Leahy and Jeffords who vote for things like the Fienstein semi-auto ban? I know Illinois has Durbin and Obama who are lousy too but they have gun ban loving Chicago dems to vote them in.
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junglebob
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Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2007 06:40 pm |
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I saw a post on another forum by Shaun Kranish who was arrested in the Cherry Valley Mall while "fanny packing" . This is Chicago area. Like tattedupboy said it may get you arrested.
He said that there has been a huge victory in PRIL (Peoples Republik of Illanoy) that we may not have heard about. He (with the help of his attorney Walter Maksym) smacked the Winnebago County States Attorney with the dismissal of his gun carrying legal case ( regarding his gun-carryi n in a traditional-meaning case) The falony charge was dismissed by Judge Stephen Vacchio. The state filed a motion to reconsider- which Judge Vacchio did and reafirmed his original motion by adopting Kranish's lawyers written response. The Winnebago County States Attorney is appealling and it will now go to an appelate court.
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lockman
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Posted: Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 01:06 am |
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An appelate court affirmation would be binding on all jurisdictions within the appelate district. That would be better than the trial couts dissmissing them and with no apeal, no case law.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 05:00 am |
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Can one legally fanny pack carry in IL if you are from from a free state and therefore, obviously do not have a FOID card?
I lived in IL for years and have family and friends who live there. Unfortunately that means that I can't entirely avoid visiting the state. Ironically, of places I typically travel, IL has the highest crime rates and it is the only place I cannot defend myself.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 07:58 pm |
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No! You would be held to the standard of exemption (i) or (ii)
(4) Carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed
on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (4) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions:
(i) are broken down in a non‑functioning state; or
(ii) are not immediately accessible; or
(iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,
firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or
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Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 08:26 pm |
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Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, that is is what I thought the answer was from my reading, but I wanted to ask those of you more versed in IL made up hypocrisy, er jurisprudence.
It is long past time to buy the O'Leary family a new cow.
edit: can't spell sometimes.
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ilbob
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Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 02:04 pm |
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Lockman's answer is technically correct based on what the law actually says.
There are some other issues though.
1. There is the wildlife code to consider. It makes it a crime to transport a gun in a case that does not meet the requirements of that code, which is more restrictive than the UUW act Lockman cited. And it applies whether you are hunting or not.
2. There is also another act that prohibits firearms on public property. It may even apply out in the parking lot.
3. Cops in Illinois in many areas just do not care much whether it is legal or not. They have arrested a number of people under the UUW act for carrying in this manner. To my knowledge they have all eventually had the charges dismissed. But they also spent a lot of time and trouble along the way.
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junglebob
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 03:18 am |
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About the possibility of being arrested for fanny packing. A few days ago there was a post on the Illinoiscarry.com forum about an article that was in the "tribune" , Chicago tribune I assume. It was posted by CKMorley, it was about fanny packing and mentioned that he did it. This was 7 years ago. I answered his post there and asked how long he had done it. He said he had lived in Forest Park in Cook County for 13 years, not far from the police department. I inquired if he had ever been stopped and asked by a LEO "what is in the pack" He said he walked by the police department frequently and never was. He also mentioned that his sister had dated a cop from another suburb and he had mentioned that the officers there knew about his fanny packing(from the media) He also said that since he worked in Chicago if Devine the SA had wanted to prosecute him he could have been arrested, but didn't think that he wanted the publicity.
I live a long way from Chicago and have "fanny packed" for about 3 years now, without incident. As they say your results may vary. It is a right that we have in Illinois that not enough of us are excercising, just like open carry in other places.
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 01:03 pm |
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junglebob wrote: How many people "fanny pack" carry here in Illinois?
Sticking my nose in here as a recent South Carolinian where CCW is the only legal carry. We are told that the cops consider a fanny-pack on a male as a dead give away and that they are 'trained' to detect concealed weapons.
The issue is so sensitive that we are also cautioned that a lady's concealed carry in a purse has been tested in court but not yet a man's carry in a briefcase. The nub being the statuatory definition of 'concealed'.
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Decoligny
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 07:58 pm |
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tattedupboy wrote: How about just doing youself a favor and moving to a state where a citizen's right to carry a loaded gun on his person (and not unloaded with the ammo separate in a fanny pack) is recognized and respected. Even if it is technically legal, this method of carry will get you arrested in Cook county and in most other urban parts of the state. Furthermore, carrying a gun with the ammo separate is just like not carrying at all because the gun is not immediately accessible or useful. I hear that Las Vegas is pretty nice this time of year. So are Arizona and Virginia. There's also Kentucky, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire, and a host of other states that are far better than King Richard and Prince Rod Blagojebitch's People's Republic of Ill-annoy.
Did the Founding Fathers say "How about we just pack up and move to some other place where King George won't tax us?"
HELL NO. They stood thier ground and fought for thier RIGHTS.
If you are unwilling to stay where you are and fight for your rights, what happens when the very last place that allows you to carry a gun decides to take that right away?
Where do you move to then?
ANSWER: The Gulag or the Concentration Camp.
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