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Timjoebillybob
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Posted: Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 08:22 pm |
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Ghengis do you have a site so I can check this out?
gary’s grandfather prohibition on carrying (passed before pre-emption) which they were somewhat surprised to learn,
I can't find anything on the web regarding Gary ordinances. I've heard that Gary and E Chicago both have pre-empted bans on "assault rifles" but nothing on carry, Speedway I know has a ordinance against concealed carry, but I thought that was the only ordinance about carry, except for ones that restrict it on city owned property.
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ntrngr
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 06:42 pm |
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Woo! Hoo! Yeah! Finally. don't want to punish anyone, but, DANG IT! Follow the freaking laws!
You Are A Great American!
...a hero of sorts. Don't say "Oh, no, not me." Just say, "Thank you."
You're welcome!
I'm down here in Terre Haute and open carry some. Not been hassled or anything at all (except by my father in law).
Everyone should just say, "Break out the cuffs and lets go."
Wow! That detective should be thanking you for not filing charges. In fact, he should push your cart for you next time you shop at Meijer.
-NR
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GoldCoaster
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 02:15 am |
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Haha, Yes sir, would you like me to pick out some nice apples for you sir? how many sir? no not that one sir, it has a bruise. thank you sir, it has been my pleasure to serve you sir.
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Hobie8
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 12:07 am |
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What is Gary's pre-emption thing about carrying? I jet-ski alot at Lake St Beach in the summer....is carrying period not legal in Gary? 
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Jubbie
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 05:10 pm |
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From this thread - http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum22/13337.html
I've only heard mention about "assault" weapons. Only place in Indiana that has some kind of ordinance on carry is Speedway, supposedly you can only OC there, never heard of it being enforced though.
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2ndammendmentbrotha
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 12:24 am |
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| I am a large but well groomed black man with Ltch and I'm sure that tax parasite aimed his gun at me and called for night.backup and concocted a reason to arrest me. I carry concealed unless walking at night. I have oc in some of the buisinesses that I frequnt around Hammond. They used to give me funny looks but not now.A cashier at Speedway once asked about my piece. I just explained to her that it was within the law.
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ghengis86
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 06:49 am |
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| Went to CVS to pick up some cranberry and vodka. A Highland patrol officer was standing in line in front of me (looked all of 19). Looked at me, looked at my gun, offered a slight nod and was on his way. like it ought to be
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Jubbie
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Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 03:03 pm |
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Reminds me of Dragnet, or at least the Simpsons version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hG7RMqk3m0
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McX
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 01:39 am |
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| Sounds like it's getting to be America over there in Indiana. Damn sight better than here in Wisconsin. So whats the poop on your permit system, does it give you OC and CC in one? How much? Any non-res. avail? Sounds like you guys are making great strides. Were stuck in gridlock.
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Section32
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 03:05 pm |
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ghengis86 wrote:
Okay, here’s how it all went down.
I met the commander and detective in the commander’s office and we sat down to go over what happened and the status of open carry in Indiana. The commander started off by saying again that I was completely in the right. I thanked him for researching this as thoroughly as he did and then I took a minute or two to just explain how poorly I thought the detective handled the situation. The det. was defensive and our discussion got a little heated (“I never threatened you with arrest” “You were yelling too”). He also said that if a cop sees a gun they have a right to ask for your permit. Again, I said yes, you can ask, but I don’t have to show you. I made the point that only if he has reasonable articulable suspicion that I was or am committing a crime could he compel me to show my permit. We went the copy of the IC 35-47-2 (since he insisted that it was in there) I brought with me, and the commander produced some law enforcement FAQ/guidelines that they were basing the “you have to show me your permit if I ask”. However, when we read the guidelines together, I made sure to clearly point out that it said that they may ask for your permit only if they feel you’ve been involved in an incident (RAS) or if they’re investigating a disturbance. I also made the point that they can’t stop every Mexican on the street and ask for a driver’s license, just because some may be illegal aliens.
The commander then said that if I wish to file an official complaint that there is a procedure that he can explain and if I wish to file charges, there is another procedure to take. I said that I have no intention of dragging the detective through the mud and that I only brought up the relevant codes to underscore the seriousness of the incident.
This is where the discussion became very productive.
I explained to them that “we’re on the same team. I hate murderers, rapists, robbers and criminals just as much as you do. I take the law and the safety of my family very seriously. We have the same goals.” Etc. etc. etc. The detective said that they deal with scum all day, everyday and can understandably be on edge whenever they see a firearm. He said every call could be a life or death situation. I said I understood, but that as a citizen, I sometimes get the same feeling towards LE. I referenced the two Chicago cops that in the past two months, killed a couple people in separate drunk driving incidents as well as the BART subway murder (which they knew about), so I got some head nods in agreement and “True, that’s right”.
He also said they never get good press, only bad press. “You could save 100 lives and only get a few lines in the paper, but one bad cop abuses a perp and it’s front page news”. I said I understand, but that conversely, there are tens of thousands of cases a year where citizens use firearms to stop a crime or protect their homes, but the media only reports the time where a guy goes crazy and shoots up a post office or school. Again, they nodded in agreement and said they understood that it goes both ways.
The detective said that he meant no disrespect to me or my family and was sorry for the way things escalated and I said that I wasn’t out to get him or press charges and after we left the room, I would consider it water under the bridge. We shook hands and ended with a bit more respect for each other than when we entered, I’m guessing.
There’s a lot more that we talked about that I left out here, but we discussed the 2A, other states carry laws, gary’s grandfather prohibition on carrying (passed before pre-emption) which they were somewhat surprised to learn, self protection, home defense, crime rising during recession/depressions, a local incident where a couple used a gun to stop a robbery, another local incident where the cops shot a man threatening them with an AK, and lots of other pertinent issues.
All in all, it turned out better than I hoped and was a great opportunity to learn a few things, both for the LE and myself.
Epilogue: The commander showed me an e-mail he sent to the entire department on open carrying and how it is permitted by those with a LTCH. I briefly spoke to the chief as well and he was very receptive and accommodating.
I read through the referenced code and could find nothing that addresses a request by LE to produce a permit. Can you please identify the specific section that addresses this?Last edited on Wed Oct 28th, 2009 03:07 pm by Section32
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Jubbie
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 05:02 pm |
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So far as I can find there is no statute saying that just because an officer sees you with a gun, that you have to show him your LTCH. The only legal way for him to ask for any ID is for him to catch you breaking the law. If LEO asks to see your license, just ask if you are being detained for breaking a law. More than likely the reason he asks to see it (if you didn't break any laws) is that he doesn't know or does know and is just being a d*** about OC being legal.
IANAL
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Section32
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 03:40 pm |
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Genghis: I ask you again to please cite the section of code where this is written:
"However, when we read the guidelines together, I made sure to clearly point out that it said that they may ask for your permit only if they feel you’ve been involved in an incident (RAS) or if they’re investigating a disturbance. "
Not trying to pick a fight here. I am developing my own response plan for when this inevitably happens. I want to be very certain that I am legal at all times, especially in the heat of the moment. If there is a section of code that spells this out, I want to be able to cite it chapter and verse. OTOH, I also don't want to be detained for failing to produce ID if the LEO lawfully do so. Last edited on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 03:47 pm by Section32
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