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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 03:55 pm |
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Yesterday on my way home from work I was travelling on I-35 southbound between Olathe and Gardner. Another motorist flashed a handgun at me, because I didn't let him cut me off. I proceeded to call the police and an officer was about 500 yards down the highway waiting for us. Officers found the gun, took statements from me, and the other driver was handcuffed and put into a police vehicle.
What could happen to the other driver, and his gun?
Note: I am not a gun owner, but I am 100% supportive of responsible gun ownership. Since the other driver was clearly not a responsible gun owner I felt I had to report the incident. Hopefully the other driver learns something from this and doesn't pull another gun out on any other drivers in the future.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 06:51 pm |
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Would it have been emasculating to back off and permit him to merge or change lanes? Drivers don't always think ahead as to position. Sometimes, partly because of people like you, I suspect, drivers find themselves trappped in the wrong lane. A bit of civility costs nothing and goes a long way.
Certainly, however, he was stupid and wrong to brandish a weapon and should have been nailed. We have too many problems already.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 08:36 pm |
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Well there were two lanes coming together into one. Usually when that occurs cars in the two lanes will alternate who gets to go next. I slowed to allow the person next to me ahead of me, and this jerk, who was behind the person I let in, swerved over into my lane nearly causing a wreck.
Seeing as how bad a rep gun ownership is getting these days I would think that as a gun advocate you would be irritated with the fool who brandished a firearm, not with the person on their way home from work driving like every other normal driver is.
If you'd like people who want more gun regulation to change their views, then maybe you shouldn't be so quick to defend someone that thought it was okay to brandish a firearm in a threatening manner.
Now I understand why some people are so gung-ho about Obama wanting more gun regulation. It's because of people like you who advocate threatening people with guns whenever you don't like the fact that they don't let you drive like you are more important than everybody else.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 08:41 pm |
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jools68 wrote: Well there were two lanes coming together into one. Usually when that occurs cars in the two lanes will alternate who gets to go next. I slowed to allow the person next to me ahead of me, and this jerk, who was behind the person I let in, swerved over into my lane nearly causing a wreck.
Seeing as how bad a rep gun ownership is getting these days I would think that as a gun advocate you would be irritated with the fool who brandished a firearm, not with the person on their way home from work driving like every other normal driver is.
If you'd like people who want more gun regulation to change their views, then maybe you shouldn't be so quick to defend someone that thought it was okay to brandish a firearm in a threatening manner.
Now I understand why some people are so gung-ho about Obama wanting more gun regulation. It's because of people like you who advocate threatening people with guns whenever you don't like the fact that they don't let you drive like you are more important than everybody else.
This smells like troll.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 09:34 pm |
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***Certainly he was stupid and wrong to brandish a weapon and he should have been nailed.***
Perhaps my sentence was to subtle for you to grasp its meaning. As to the "troll", when there is nothing else there is always calumny.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 10:05 pm |
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old dog wrote: ***Certainly he was stupid and wrong to brandish a weapon and he should have been nailed.***
Perhaps my sentence was to subtle for you to grasp its meaning. As to the "troll", when there is nothing else there is always calumny.
Hi Old Dog,
Just to be clear, I assert that jools68 is a troll. He claims to be "100% supportive of responsible gun ownership".
You suggested that he might drive a little more courteously, and then he accuses you of "advocate threatening people with guns whenever you don't like the fact that they don't let you drive like you are more important than everybody else."
That's what I was referring to when I wrote "smells like troll". Check his other post as well.
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Posted: Wed Apr 1st, 2009 12:43 am |
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| What I wrote was unfair. I misconstrued your comment and I apologize.
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Posted: Wed Apr 1st, 2009 03:07 am |
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Apology accepted, Old Dog. I realize "this smells like troll" was kinda cryptic.
After reading his other post I do not believe jools68 is really a 2d Amendment supporter.
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jools68
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Posted: Wed Apr 1st, 2009 04:16 pm |
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I would just tell you if I was against gun ownership. What would be the point of trying to lie on here? I just think that in order for Americans to continue to have the right to bear arms it would be a good idea for people to act like we can handle having that right.
The man that I'm talking about in my post did not display any qualities of responsible gun ownership whatsoever.
As an advocate of responsible gun ownership I would think you would want to attract more people towards gun ownership, rather than spreading the believe that gun owners are irresponsible. Personally I believe that a large majority of gun owners are incredibly responsible people, but the few out there pulling guns on interstates don't give the rest of you a very good name. If I were in your position, then people like that would piss me off.
The only reason I came on this message board was to have a question answered. I ran across this message board one day and thought it sounded like there were some very intelligent gun owners that frequent this website, and I bookmarked it in case I ever wanted some questions about gun ownership answered. Unfortunately, this has not worked out well, and you guys seem to not be very accepting of "outsiders".
I won't bother you guys anymore, and I regret that this forum has left me with a more negative attitude towards gun ownership than I originally had.
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Posted: Wed Apr 1st, 2009 05:59 pm |
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| Looking over the thread again I fail to find anyone supporting the vermin jools encountered as jools seems to infer. I for one simply suggested that a level of maturity is rarely misplaced.
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Posted: Wed Apr 1st, 2009 06:10 pm |
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jools68 wrote: Yesterday on my way home from work I was travelling on I-35 southbound between Olathe and Gardner. Another motorist flashed a handgun at me, because I didn't let him cut me off. I proceeded to call the police and an officer was about 500 yards down the highway waiting for us. Officers found the gun, took statements from me, and the other driver was handcuffed and put into a police vehicle.
What could happen to the other driver, and his gun?
Note: I am not a gun owner, but I am 100% supportive of responsible gun ownership. Since the other driver was clearly not a responsible gun owner I felt I had to report the incident. Hopefully the other driver learns something from this and doesn't pull another gun out on any other drivers in the future.
The man is probably facing a felony charge, if convicted he will lose his right to own firearms, he may go to prison for a few years, we will have a large legal bill, in short his life will be ruined.
Have you been contacted to press charges? The police did not see him do this so it's your word against his. That is if the man didn't confess.
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Posted: Wed Apr 1st, 2009 06:45 pm |
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Venator wrote: jools68 wrote: Yesterday on my way home from work I was travelling on I-35 southbound between Olathe and Gardner. Another motorist flashed a handgun at me, because I didn't let him cut me off. I proceeded to call the police and an officer was about 500 yards down the highway waiting for us. Officers found the gun, took statements from me, and the other driver was handcuffed and put into a police vehicle.
What could happen to the other driver, and his gun?
Note: I am not a gun owner, but I am 100% supportive of responsible gun ownership. Since the other driver was clearly not a responsible gun owner I felt I had to report the incident. Hopefully the other driver learns something from this and doesn't pull another gun out on any other drivers in the future.
The man is probably facing a felony charge, if convicted he will lose his right to own firearms, he may go to prison for a few years, we will have a large legal bill, in short his life will be ruined.
Have you been contacted to press charges? The police did not see him do this so it's your word against his. That is if the man didn't confess.
Thank you Venator! You have provided a very helpful answer to my question. I certainly do not want the guy to go to prison for a few years since (hopefully) he has learned a lesson already by being arrested.
I'm not sure if I'll be able to stop them from pressing charges as the police already took a statement from me, and they know he must have done it because I described the gun accurately, and I wouldn't have had any way of knowing he had it if he had not flashed it.
Now that I have some kind of idea of what may happen to him I will do whatever I can to attempt to have the charges dropped.
Also, I certainly didn't mean to come on here and cause a disturbance. I just wanted to know what could happen to the guy so I know how I would like to handle the situation.
Thanks again Venator.
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Posted: Wed Apr 1st, 2009 08:00 pm |
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| I think someone local to him should invite jools to a range or club to bust some clays or knock down some silhouettes and burgers! If you are ever in the Boise idaho area I'd like to show some hospitality!
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Posted: Wed Apr 1st, 2009 08:06 pm |
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jools68 wrote: Venator wrote: jools68 wrote: Yesterday on my way home from work I was travelling on I-35 southbound between Olathe and Gardner. Another motorist flashed a handgun at me, because I didn't let him cut me off. I proceeded to call the police and an officer was about 500 yards down the highway waiting for us. Officers found the gun, took statements from me, and the other driver was handcuffed and put into a police vehicle.
What could happen to the other driver, and his gun?
Note: I am not a gun owner, but I am 100% supportive of responsible gun ownership. Since the other driver was clearly not a responsible gun owner I felt I had to report the incident. Hopefully the other driver learns something from this and doesn't pull another gun out on any other drivers in the future.
The man is probably facing a felony charge, if convicted he will lose his right to own firearms, he may go to prison for a few years, we will have a large legal bill, in short his life will be ruined.
Have you been contacted to press charges? The police did not see him do this so it's your word against his. That is if the man didn't confess.
Thank you Venator! You have provided a very helpful answer to my question. I certainly do not want the guy to go to prison for a few years since (hopefully) he has learned a lesson already by being arrested.
I'm not sure if I'll be able to stop them from pressing charges as the police already took a statement from me, and they know he must have done it because I described the gun accurately, and I wouldn't have had any way of knowing he had it if he had not flashed it.
Now that I have some kind of idea of what may happen to him I will do whatever I can to attempt to have the charges dropped.
Also, I certainly didn't mean to come on here and cause a disturbance. I just wanted to know what could happen to the guy so I know how I would like to handle the situation.
Thanks again Venator.
Well I hope you can do what you feel is right. The prosecutor will most likely want you as a witness and if you refuse to testify he may decide to drop the charge as his case becomes weaker.
If the guy is local you may want to find out who he is. He might turn out to be an okay guy that was having a bad day. Or maybe he is a jerk.
But in the end it's up to you. Does he deserve the possible ramifications for showing his gun, perhaps, but perhaps not. You guys could end up being friends and he can take you to the range and teach you more about firearms.
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 01:12 am |
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| Reporting it is the proper and prudent thing to do. However, in doing so you leave yourself open for retaliation if the suspect or someone else decides such. I honestly believe you should consider owning a firearm for at least around your residence and learn how to use it. I have very little trust in the way people like that choose to live and if ever in such a situation I want to option to defend myself at home as well as away. At least think about it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 03:12 am |
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jools68 wrote: Also, I certainly didn't mean to come on here and cause a disturbance.
Trust me, you didn't. We have bigger disturbances amongst ourselves over whether or not to use the word "weapon" in describing our personal firearms. 
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 03:38 am |
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jools68 wrote: I would just tell you if I was against gun ownership. What would be the point of trying to lie on here? I just think that in order for Americans to continue to have the right to bear arms it would be a good idea for people to act like we can handle having that right.
The man that I'm talking about in my post did not display any qualities of responsible gun ownership whatsoever.
As an advocate of responsible gun ownership I would think you would want to attract more people towards gun ownership, rather than spreading the believe that gun owners are irresponsible. Personally I believe that a large majority of gun owners are incredibly responsible people, but the few out there pulling guns on interstates don't give the rest of you a very good name. If I were in your position, then people like that would piss me off.
The only reason I came on this message board was to have a question answered. I ran across this message board one day and thought it sounded like there were some very intelligent gun owners that frequent this website, and I bookmarked it in case I ever wanted some questions about gun ownership answered. Unfortunately, this has not worked out well, and you guys seem to not be very accepting of "outsiders".
I won't bother you guys anymore, and I regret that this forum has left me with a more negative attitude towards gun ownership than I originally had.
IF you are for real you need to understand a few basic tenets of internet forums:
1) A new user is generally received well, IF one takes the time to get a feel for the norms of the forum one is posting to - new users who don't are generally not highly regarded
2) No single individual speaks for all users of a forum
3) You need to have a thick skin, and understand that the nuances of "in-person" speech are hard to convey on an internet forum
4) "Newbies" to gun-related forums are regarded with suspicion when they use code-words such as "reasonable" or "responsible" with regards to gun ownership
5) As a "newbie", throwing around insults is off-putting, to say the least
In a few short posts (5) you have gone from asking a question, to insulting the members, to apologizing for creating a disturbance...
Stick around, read more, and ask away, but my suggestion is that you not join this or any other forum and think that your presence ought to be treated with fanfare.
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NavyLT
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 03:18 pm |
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jools68 wrote: Well there were two lanes coming together into one. Usually when that occurs cars in the two lanes will alternate who gets to go next. I slowed to allow the person next to me ahead of me, and this jerk, who was behind the person I let in, swerved over into my lane nearly causing a wreck.
Normally, when two lanes merge into one, there is a sign posted which states who has the right of way. It might be words "Left lane ends, merge right", in that case the person in the right lane has the absolute right of way and has no duty to yield the right of way to a person in the left lane. Or the sign might be one straight line with a line that indicates the lane ending (straight, then diagonal, the straight). The person who is in the lane indicated by the straight line has the absolute right of way.
So, besides traffic regulations, the person flashing the gun may be charged with any number of things - assault, coercion, threatening with a deadly weapon, unlawful carry of a weapon. Many of those are cause for forfeiture of the weapon and revocation of any licenses to carry firearms the owner may have.
I think you did good, jools68, a person who flashes a gun out of road rage is a criminal.
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Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 11:15 pm |
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I do not advocate brandishing a firearm by no means, but let me play devils advocate.
You stated that you slowed to allow the car in front of the guy that brandished a gun to merge as your understanding of traffic flow was that you should alternate as the lanes merge. You are correct and in a perfect world drivers should cooperate.
Now, perhaps the guy that was behind the one you slowed for thought that you were slowing for him. Imagine his surprise when you sped up to cut him off.
As perceptions belong to the beholder, he may have thought you were trying to wreck him to which he responded by showing you that he could fight back and you probably shouldn't cut him off.
You will need to examine YOUR actions closely to determine whether what you did helped fuel the fire. I mean, playing devil's advocate, you did state that you were trying to only allow the one car in. He quite possibly perceived YOU as the threat with your car trying to wreck him.
It's possible, I don't know, I wasn't there.
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BB62
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Posted: Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 02:51 am |
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rscottie wrote: I do not advocate brandishing a firearm by no means, but let me play devils advocate...
Good points, good post.
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