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Farmer Troy
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 03:37 am |
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http://kdka.com/watercooler/kentucky.pastor.guns.2.1032085.html
Pastor Asks Flock To Bring Guns To Church
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) ―
A Kentucky pastor is inviting his flock to bring guns to church to celebrate the Fourth of July and the Second Amendment.
New Bethel Church is welcoming "responsible handgun owners" to wear their firearms inside the church June 27, a Saturday. An ad says there will be a handgun raffle, patriotic music and information on gun safety.
"We're just going to celebrate the upcoming theme of the birth of our nation," said pastor Ken Pagano. "And we're not ashamed to say that there was a strong belief in God and firearms — without that this country wouldn't be here."
The guns must be unloaded and private security will check visitors at the door, Pagano said.
He said recent church shootings, including the killing Sunday of a late-term abortion provider in Kansas, which he condemned, highlight the need to promote safe gun ownership. The New Bethel Church event was planned months before Dr. George Tiller was shot to death in a Wichita church.
Kentucky allows residents to openly carry guns in public with some restrictions. Gun owners carrying concealed weapons must have state-issued permits and can't take them to schools, jails or bars, among other exceptions.
Pagano's Protestant church, which attracts up to 150 people to Sunday services, is a member of the Assemblies of God. The former Marine and handgun instructor said he expected some backlash, but has heard only a "little bit" of criticism of the gun event.
John Phillips, an Arkansas pastor who was shot twice while leading a service at his former church in 1986, said a house of worship is no place for firearms.
"A church is designated as a safe haven, it's a place of worship," said Phillips, who was shot by a church member's relative for an unknown reason and still has a bullet lodged in his spine. "It is unconscionable to me to think that a church would be a place that you would even want to bring a weapon."
Phillips spoke out against a bill before the Arkansas General Assembly that would have permitted the carrying of guns in that state's churches. The bill failed in February.
Pagano, 50, said some members of his church were concerned that President Obama's administration could restrict gun ownership, and they supported the plan for the event when Pagano asked their opinion.
Marian McClure Taylor, executive director of the Kentucky Council of Churches, an umbrella organization for 11 Christian denominations in Kentucky, said Christian churches are promoters of peace, but "most allow for arms to be taken up under certain conditions."
Taylor said Pagano assured her the event would focus on promoting responsible gun ownership and any proceeds would go to charity.
"Those two commitments are consistent with the high value the Assemblies of God churches place on human life," she said in an e-mail message.
Pagano is encouraging church members to bring a canned good and a friend to the event. He said guns must be unloaded for insurance purposes and safety reasons.
He said the point was not to mix worship with guns, though he may reference some passages from the Bible.
"Firearms can be evil and they can be useful," he said. "We're just trying to promote responsible gun ownership and gun safety."
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chris in va
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 04:00 am |
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I read in a UK newspaper article the pastor is encouraging OPEN carry of firearms, but like the article said they must be unloaded.
I may go, should be interesting.
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Farmer Troy
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 01:01 pm |
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To quote a friend of mine when I showed him this article . . .
"When did we stop bringing them to church?"
That made me laugh!!!
Gives new meaning to "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!!!" ;-)
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 08:22 am |
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Farmer Troy wrote: To quote a friend of mine when I showed him this article . . .
"When did we stop bringing them to church?"
That made me laugh!!!
Gives new meaning to "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!!!" ;-)
+1!!
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Statesman
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 08:25 pm |
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Pastor Asks Flock to Bring Guns to Church
Flock? As in a flock of mindless sheep? Is this a biblical reference, or a derogatory comment? Gun owners are anything but mindless sheep.
A church is designated as a safe haven,
Yes, but the designation didn't stop the church shootings by evil men, did it? You can designate it as a safe haven by having good people armed with guns, just in case.
I conceal carry into my church every time I go.
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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 11:06 pm |
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Just an FYI, Daily Kos (you can throw up now) has their usual take on stuff like this. I'd suggest everyone visit their site, and answer their poll on how many guns you own. The current ratio is high on the NONE side, and so far, only my single vote on 5 or more is there.
This is the link:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/6/739419/-Bring-your-gun-to-church
You might also want to contact the church and tell them if you like what they are doing, as the Daily Kos is asking their readers to contact the church and tell them how crazy the idea is.
Big Gay Al
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Posted: Sun Jun 7th, 2009 02:08 pm |
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There are now 34 votes for >5 
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 05:16 am |
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It's now 102 of 210 (48%).
Funny, I would start the poll with "<5", and end at "Uhhh.... I dunno, a whole bunch!"
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 05:24 am |
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Statesman wrote: Pastor Asks Flock to Bring Guns to Church
Flock? As in a flock of mindless sheep? Is this a biblical reference, or a derogatory comment? Gun owners are anything but mindless sheep.
Standard terminology. The Pastor is shepherd over the flock. That's what "Pastor" means. 
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xdnky
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 12:17 am |
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New to this forum but have visited the site often. Just had to comment on this article. Personally I wouldn't attend this church if I have to unload my gun. Whats the point? Seems to be the perfect place for someone to come in with a loaded gun and confiscate everyones unloaded "rocks". If part of his agenda is to promote gun safety, is he saying only an unloaded gun is a safe gun?? Why not have everyone carry loaded?
I just don't get it, neither would I support it.......
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chris in va
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 05:18 am |
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| Well, I can almost 100% guarantee *someone* will be packing a backup.
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Statesman
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 08:35 pm |
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xdnky wrote: New to this forum but have visited the site often. Just had to comment on this article. Personally I wouldn't attend this church if I have to unload my gun. Whats the point? Seems to be the perfect place for someone to come in with a loaded gun and confiscate everyones unloaded "rocks". If part of his agenda is to promote gun safety, is he saying only an unloaded gun is a safe gun?? Why not have everyone carry loaded?
I just don't get it, neither would I support it.......
I figure unloaded just means nothing in the chamber, and the magazine in my pocket.
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xdnky
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 02:49 am |
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Statesman wrote: Not one in the chamber is exactly that , "unloaded". My point is, he wants to advocate gun safety. So what he's saying is Your gun isnt safe unless its unloaded. If I can't have one in the chamber, I'm not carrying it at all. Thats just a false sense of security.
I figure unloaded just means nothing in the chamber, and the magazine in my pocket.
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 08:53 am |
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Statesman wrote: xdnky wrote: Personally I wouldn't attend this church if I have to unload my gun. Whats the point? Seems to be the perfect place for someone to come in with a loaded gun and confiscate everyones unloaded "rocks".
I figure unloaded just means nothing in the chamber, and the magazine in my pocket.
In other words, a "rock".
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 03:39 am |
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who is going to this? Want to say hello to any open carry people from the area that are going.
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chris in va
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 03:57 am |
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| I'll more than likely be there, and if my friend comes back in time from Lexington, she'll join.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 04:08 am |
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Maybe we should have little signs opencarry.org poster 
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chris in va
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:25 am |
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I just found this on another site. We may not be able to open carry in his church after all...
If he cannot find insurance for Saturday, people will not be allowed in openly carrying their guns.
Seems his insurance cancelled him for Saturday and will permanently nix it at the end of the year.Last edited on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:26 am by chris in va
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:02 pm |
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I just checked the church website and no mention. I will keep watching it.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 08:20 pm |
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| I just called, it's still on. He was able to get insurance finally.
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