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kwikrnu
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:04 pm |
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I saw this story on another web forum.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=873876
Here is a news story of the account.
http://wgme.com/News/story_detail/story_detail_7.shtml?readmore
They found a web diary of the woman who reported him.
http://kellygreen514.livejournal.com/
Sorry if this a repost, but I looked beforehand and don't think it is.
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:12 pm |
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http://wgme.com/News/story_detail/story_detail_7.shtml?readmore
Police are investigating a man who they say showed a weapon near Payson Park in Portland Wednesday night. Police were called to the front of Seaside Nursing Home on Baxter Boulevard just after 7:00 Wednesday night. A short time later police arrested 23 year old Norman Hamann of Lyman, after he was seen with a gun in a holster on his hip. Police say Hamann was also armed with knives, though they still won't say why he was in the area. Witnesses say police tackled the suspect and arresting him. No injuries were reported. Hamann is now free on bail.
http://kellygreen514.livejournal.com/
Why did that seem like a good idea? In continuing with my theme of stupid yet dangerous situations this week... Kim, Carrie & I were out walking Back Bay last night when we got passed by this kind of creepy looking guy. We ignored him and kept talking until we realized he was carrying a gun in a hoslter on his hip. Then we slowed the hell down and let him get waaaaaaay in front of us. There were two women walking their dog behind us and who had a cell phone & called the police.
This was close to the end of the section near 295. By the time we got over to near Payson Park and fields behind Cheverus the road had been shutdown and there were 5 cop cars about 7-10 cops and the guy was lying face down on the ground. He was eventually arrested and no one was hurt thank goodness.
In the news this morning they also said in addition to the gun he also had several knives on him as well. What the heck the man was thinking I have no idea....obviously nothing good.
So far this week I have been lucky enough to miss getting severely burned by a suddenly decompressing pressure cooker and passed by a moron with a gun. I believe everything comes in threes so I might just shut myself away because I really don't want to know what the third dangerous situation is going to be.
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Liko81
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:22 pm |
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Doug Huffman wrote: http://wgme.com/News/story_detail/story_detail_7.shtml?readmore
Police are investigating a man who they say showed a weapon near Payson Park in Portland Wednesday night. Police were called to the front of Seaside Nursing Home on Baxter Boulevard just after 7:00 Wednesday night. A short time later police arrested 23 year old Norman Hamann of Lyman, after he was seen with a gun in a holster on his hip. Police say Hamann was also armed with knives, though they still won't say why he was in the area. Witnesses say police tackled the suspect and arresting him. No injuries were reported. Hamann is now free on bail.
OK. Maine is anomalous open-carry; you can carry a gun anywhere in public, full preemption, but there's a severe restriction (no OC or CC in a car without a permit). What then is the offense? If he was simply carrying it, no crime was committed. If however the guy "brandished" a gun, that could possibly result in the police reaction. My guess is that a MWAG call was phoned in and blown out of proportion by the time the officer's heard it.
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:26 pm |
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I think that this event is unique in that we get to hear the backstory, the thoughts of the complaintant.
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kwikrnu
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:31 pm |
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| It will interesting to find out what happens. From what I read all three accounts are very similar. I wonder if the woman will reply to the comments to her web diary.
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Gray Peterson
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:37 pm |
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Someone needs to figure out who the arrestee is and then call him.
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kwikrnu
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:41 pm |
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Lonnie Wilson wrote: Someone needs to figure out who the arrestee is and then call him.
He is the one who started the post I have linked above and his name appears in the news story. I'm sure isn't too hard to find.
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GJD
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:43 pm |
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| wow - clear violation of constitutional rights.
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swillden
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 12:10 am |
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Doug Huffman wrote: I think that this event is unique in that we get to hear the backstory, the thoughts of the complaintant.
According to the woman's blog entry, she's not the one who called it in. She said:
Then we slowed the hell down and let him get waaaaaaay in front of us. There were two women walking their dog behind us and who had a cell phone & called the police.
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OC-Glock19
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 12:24 pm |
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Lonnie Wilson wrote: Someone needs to figure out who the arrestee is and then call him.
I Googled him and he appears to be an Eagle scout from troop 399. He even got a congratulatory message appended to the Maine Legislative record. I couldn't find any contact info, but only because I'm not a member on FrogBlog or MySpace. Norman appears to have profiles set up on both of those networking sites.
Last edited on Fri May 23rd, 2008 12:25 pm by OC-Glock19
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 02:48 pm |
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| I'd love to hear the 911 call on this...
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 03:02 pm |
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| I am not suprised this happend. Portland is moonbat city and despite most of Maine being gun friendly the liberals who come here during the summer and moonbats in portland hate guns and hate gun owners. They also have money so when they put the pressure down often times they are listened to.
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 04:15 pm |
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Liko81 wrote: OK. Maine is anomalous open-carry; you can carry a gun anywhere in public, full preemption, but there's a severe restriction (no OC or CC in a car without a permit). What then is the offense? If he was simply carrying it, no crime was committed. If however the guy "brandished" a gun, that could possibly result in the police reaction. My guess is that a MWAG call was phoned in and blown out of proportion by the time the officer's heard it.
No, there was no brandishing. It hadn't left my holster since range day the weekend before.
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 04:16 pm |
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| So it was you? What happend if you can comment on the situation.
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 04:22 pm |
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boyscout399 wrote: Liko81 wrote: OK. Maine is anomalous open-carry; you can carry a gun anywhere in public, full preemption, but there's a severe restriction (no OC or CC in a car without a permit). What then is the offense? If he was simply carrying it, no crime was committed. If however the guy "brandished" a gun, that could possibly result in the police reaction. My guess is that a MWAG call was phoned in and blown out of proportion by the time the officer's heard it.
No, there was no brandishing. It hadn't left my holster since range day the weekend before.
WELCOME TO OCDO!!!
Based on your report, you've got a lot of people pulling for you.
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 04:30 pm |
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The support is great. I don't want to comment too much more on what happened unless you guys have specific questions...
It went down pretty much just like it's written on the Glocktalk forum http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=873876&page=6
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 04:47 pm |
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| Wow sounds like Portland Police are screwing you over.
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 04:53 pm |
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Without probable cause for the stop (open carrying being legal) the knives that they located as a result of the illegal search will have to be out as evidence as they are "fruit of the poisonous tree".
Not to mention that I highly doubt that the great state of ME is going to outlaw pocket knives as a result of this case.
Not a lawyer, just a retired cop. Just my 2 cents.
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Citizen
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 05:02 pm |
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pacrimescode5904 wrote: Without probable cause for the stop (open carrying being legal) the knives that they located as a result of the illegal search will have to be out as evidence as they are "fruit of the poisonous tree".
We don't yet know what the police were told via a 911 call, or "witnesses" they may have talked to before approaching the OC'er. Thus, we are not yet in a position to judge whether the police had reasonable, articulable, particularized suspicion to justify a Terry Stop.
I do strongly recommend that we DO NOT ask the OC'er about it to satisfy our curiosity.
Lets let he and his attorney sort it out.
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RussP
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 05:26 pm |
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boyscout399 wrote: The support is great. I don't want to comment too much more on what happened unless you guys have specific questions...
It went down pretty much just like it's written on the Glocktalk forum Citizen wrote: We don't yet know what the police were told via a 911 call, or "witnesses" they may have talked to before approaching the OC'er. Thus, we are not yet in a position to judge whether the police had reasonable, articulable, particularized suspicion to justify a Terry Stop.
I do strongly recommend that we DO NOT ask the OC'er about it to satisfy our curiosity.
Lets let he and his attorney sort it out.
Hi boyscout399, as you know, I agree with Citizen about not discussing details until you retain an attorney and find out what you should and should not make public.
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