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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 04:28 am |
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Michigander wrote: SNIP Bottom line is the ability to go through a vest means very little it you can score a head shot. Especially a head shot with a bullet that mushrooms to 2 or 3 times its original size.
An interesting read from; The Gun Zone.
http://www.thegunzone.com/black-talon.html
Sorry Mods, I know, off topic.
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Blazingangel01
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 05:22 am |
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Just wondering what did you get stopped with 17 shots?
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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 06:01 am |
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Blazingangel01 wrote: Just wondering what did you get stopped with 17 shots?
Blazing, are you referring to warchilds' post? If so, when he was disarmed (according to his posts), the Chief cleared the weapon and realized he (warchild) was carrying a magazine with 17 rounds plus 1 in the pipe (chamber). Not sure why this would surprise someone, especially a LEO.Last edited on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 06:03 am by SpringerXDacp
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 11:11 am |
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Blazingangel01 wrote: Just wondering what did you get stopped with 17 shots?
The trooper was asking the mag capacity. I only keep 10rnds loaded. If I need more than 1, I don't need to be there! Besides, I have found from experience, keeping a mag, max loaded all the time tends to casue feed problems from the spring being constantly compressed. So with all my auto's, I short load to extend spring life.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 11:54 am |
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SpringerXDacp wrote: The word is getting around fast...
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860992
I took another look at the comment made by someone on that link . I may have jumped the gun and took it the wrong way, along with blaming the wrong person. I strongly apologize to the forum and HerrGlock. Last edited on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 10:15 pm by WARCHILD
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ghostrider
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 01:50 pm |
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WARCHILD wrote: SpringerXDacp wrote: The word is getting around fast...
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860992
I took a look at the comments by HerrGlock. I am not a member of that forum and don't plan on it if he's an example of their membership. He implies a quote I made about the chief to be my feelings towards open carry and all LEO's. It's easy for someone like him to take something out of context to support his opinion which has no foundation. He doesn't cite the interaction between the trooper and I at all. Sounds to me like maybe he's jealous about having the confidence to be able to OC and conduct yourself with respect and confidence even when trying to be intimidated by a senior LEO! As for being called a friend of jhanson, THANKS, I'm proud to be considered so! HerrGlock's post must have been removed or deleted, because there were none by him last night, nor this morning when I read it.
GlockTalk has a good OC element that is getting stronger, and spreading the word. You should read the sticky (on OC) in thier Carry Issues before passing judgment. They may even benifit from your input.
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jhanson25
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 05:39 pm |
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WARCHILD wrote: SpringerXDacp wrote: The word is getting around fast...
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860992
I took a look at the comments by HerrGlock. I am not a member of that forum and don't plan on it if he's an example of their membership. He implies a quote I made about the chief to be my feelings towards open carry and all LEO's. It's easy for someone like him to take something out of context to support his opinion which has no foundation. He doesn't cite the interaction between the trooper and I at all. Sounds to me like maybe he's jealous about having the confidence to be able to OC and conduct yourself with respect and confidence even when trying to be intimidated by a senior LEO! As for being called a friend of jhanson, THANKS, I'm proud to be considered so!
Thank you Jerry! I appreciate thoes kind words. I did just send a reply concerning that guys negative comments toward you. Some of the folks on that forum have their head up their arses a lot of the time. Only reason Im a member is I plan on getting a Glock in the next few weeks and want to learn what I can about the pistols themselves. I assume that he has never been put in that situation before. You handled the situation with near perfection and kudos on maybe giving the officers some education and thinking of us that OC in a different light.
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Razoreye
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 07:25 pm |
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Please, for the love of god, learn how to spell "chief."  
Other than that, keep us up to date. 
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Razoreye
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 07:32 pm |
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WARCHILD wrote: Blazingangel01 wrote: Just wondering what did you get stopped with 17 shots?
The trooper was asking the mag capacity. I only keep 10rnds loaded. If I need more than 1, I don't need to be there! Besides, I have found from experience, keeping a mag, max loaded all the time tends to casue feed problems from the spring being constantly compressed. So with all my auto's, I short load to extend spring life.
Keeping a magazine loaded to the maximum has no ill effects on feeding unless something is wrong with the magazine to begin with.
Spring strength only weakens with the constant cycling of the spring, this is known as spring fatigue. Springs have a special property that help them retain their "original memory" so loading the magazine to the maximum capacity will not change that. Stretching the spring past its limits or compressing past its limits will change the properties of the spring and the "memory" causing problems. Luckily, the manufacture makes them to certain specs so loading/unloading is the only thing that will negatively affect the spring while it is in its magazine body.
The irony here is you are actually shortening the spring's life if you leave it underloaded because you will be cycling the spring more often (running out of ammo and reloading it to 10.) The upside is if you don't shoot those magazines much then you probably won't see the effects of your loading procedure.
Load up to the max. You may not need 17 but it's better to have it on hand when you don't need it then be 7 short when you do need it!
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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 07:49 pm |
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WARCHILD wrote: SpringerXDacp wrote: The word is getting around fast...
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860992
I took a look at the comments by HerrGlock. I am not a member of that forum and don't plan on it if he's an example of their membership. He implies a quote I made about the chief to be my feelings towards open carry and all LEO's. It's easy for someone like him to take something out of context to support his opinion which has no foundation. He doesn't cite the interaction between the trooper and I at all. Sounds to me like maybe he's jealous about having the confidence to be able to OC and conduct yourself with respect and confidence even when trying to be intimidated by a senior LEO! As for being called a friend of jhanson, THANKS, I'm proud to be considered so!
Actually, it was RussP (Mod at GT). I am not a member over at GT at this time, but, I did purchase a new G21SF, Pic Rail, Ambi Release today so I may join after all. 
I do enjoy the OC thread he started, among the other informative threads.
Damn It...I did it again-off topic.
Last edited on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 07:51 pm by SpringerXDacp
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ghostrider
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 08:46 pm |
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SpringerXDacp wrote: WARCHILD wrote: SpringerXDacp wrote: The word is getting around fast...
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860992
I took a look at the comments by HerrGlock. I am not a member of that forum and don't plan on it if he's an example of their membership. He implies a quote I made about the chief to be my feelings towards open carry and all LEO's. It's easy for someone like him to take something out of context to support his opinion which has no foundation. He doesn't cite the interaction between the trooper and I at all. Sounds to me like maybe he's jealous about having the confidence to be able to OC and conduct yourself with respect and confidence even when trying to be intimidated by a senior LEO! As for being called a friend of jhanson, THANKS, I'm proud to be considered so!
Actually, it was RussP (Mod at GT). I am not a member over at GT at this time, but, I did purchase a new G21SF, Pic Rail, Ambi Release today so I may join after all.
I do enjoy the OC thread he started, among the other informative threads.
Damn It...I did it again-off topic.
Okay, that does clear things up since I didn't see any posting by HG in that thread, but I'd still like to know what you guys consider to be the negative comments by Russ P. I say this because I think your not giving him the benifit of the doubt, so I'd like to know the specifics.
The following is the only statement I can see that he made in that thread:Gives you a taste of jhanson25's friend's attitude toward open carrying and interacting with the police.
Russ P
Maybe he is being negative but, I took it as him pointing out what a good example Jerry was. I've read a lot of his posts on OC on that forum, and this seems more consistant with his philosophy (so to speak).
At any rate, I think it's only fair and proper to clarify it with him before trashing him on another forum.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 10:03 pm |
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| I must have misread it, or got the name with the wrong thread, if that's the case, I strongly apologize to HerrGlock, I in no way intend to offend the innocent.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 10:19 pm |
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Razoreye wrote: Please, for the love of god, learn how to spell "chief."
Other than that, keep us up to date.
You know, I thought that looked worng, wrgon, WRONG!
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 10:23 pm |
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| Thanks Razoreye: never thought of it that way, and after I did think about it, the feed problems I'm recalling were from when I used to shoot reloads.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 10:26 pm |
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ghostrider wrote: SpringerXDacp wrote: WARCHILD wrote: SpringerXDacp wrote: The word is getting around fast...
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860992
I took a look at the comments by HerrGlock. I am not a member of that forum and don't plan on it if he's an example of their membership. He implies a quote I made about the chief to be my feelings towards open carry and all LEO's. It's easy for someone like him to take something out of context to support his opinion which has no foundation. He doesn't cite the interaction between the trooper and I at all. Sounds to me like maybe he's jealous about having the confidence to be able to OC and conduct yourself with respect and confidence even when trying to be intimidated by a senior LEO! As for being called a friend of jhanson, THANKS, I'm proud to be considered so!
Actually, it was RussP (Mod at GT). I am not a member over at GT at this time, but, I did purchase a new G21SF, Pic Rail, Ambi Release today so I may join after all.
I do enjoy the OC thread he started, among the other informative threads.
Damn It...I did it again-off topic.
Okay, that does clear things up since I didn't see any posting by HG in that thread, but I'd still like to know what you guys consider to be the negative comments by Russ P. I say this because I think your not giving him the benifit of the doubt, so I'd like to know the specifics.
The following is the only statement I can see that he made in that thread:Gives you a taste of jhanson25's friend's attitude toward open carrying and interacting with the police.
Russ P
Maybe he is being negative but, I took it as him pointing out what a good example Jerry was. I've read a lot of his posts on OC on that forum, and this seems more consistant with his philosophy (so to speak).
At any rate, I think it's only fair and proper to clarify it with him before trashing him on another forum.
You are 100 percent right, I took it the wrong way, named the wrong person and edited the original thread with an apology to HerrGlock and the forum.
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sccrref
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 10:58 pm |
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WARCHILD wrote: Michigander wrote: I'd be up for going OCing with you guys there if I wasn't about to move. In my opinion a picnic in Corunna might be a good idea. 
By the way, if it were me, I would complain to the state police about being disarmed. They had no legal right to disarm you, because they had no probable cause to believe that you commited a crime. I'd call that unlawful search and seizure. Given that the MSP actually sent out a news letter detailing the legality of open carry, I would have hoped and expected that they would have diffused the situation.
I posted an edit correction in the thread. the cheif took my gun. I think you should have filed theft charges against the chief. You had 2 MSP officers as witnesses to the fact that he took your gun without your permission and no legal right to do so. That would have really chapped the chief's ass.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 11:18 pm |
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sccrref wrote: WARCHILD wrote: Michigander wrote: I'd be up for going OCing with you guys there if I wasn't about to move. In my opinion a picnic in Corunna might be a good idea.
By the way, if it were me, I would complain to the state police about being disarmed. They had no legal right to disarm you, because they had no probable cause to believe that you commited a crime. I'd call that unlawful search and seizure. Given that the MSP actually sent out a news letter detailing the legality of open carry, I would have hoped and expected that they would have diffused the situation.
I posted an edit correction in the thread. the cheif took my gun. I think you should have filed theft charges against the chief. You had 2 MSP officers as witnesses to the fact that he took your gun without your permission and no legal right to do so. That would have really chapped the chief's ass.
Yes, I would love to file charges, but living in the real world, it would gain nothing more than possible harassment by the cournna dept. as a whole. I personally don't think the trooper's would cross the "Blue Line" to back me up. Besides, I think I made more of an impact on him the way it went down and I am satisfied with the outcome.
While we're on the subject, my sugestion of a group OC in corunna may be viewed as a long walk looking for trouble, not to inform and educate as we mean. I do feel we need to inform the corunna police dept. as a whole that we are going to carry and they might as well expect and prepare their dispatchers for just such an occasion. Maybe we should wait a while and let the CHIEF's (I copied it) head return to normal color first.
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kmcdowel
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 11:44 pm |
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WARCHILD wrote: Michigander wrote: By the way, this brings up an interesting point. If a chief is way out of hand, who do you complain to?
I wouldn't file a complaint, but it sure sounds like some education is needed, like say maybe an oc walk by a few educated people who just happen to carry guns, maybe in downtown -- CORUNNA--!
Thanks for sharing WARCHILD. I think a formal complaint might knock this guy off his high horse....at least for a day or so. It would also lead to some education within the PD. I'm sure it would have no negative effect on his career, just adjust his attitude towards us law abiders.
Either way, you handled it very well.
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UpNorth
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 11:50 pm |
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| I would think that the Home Depot had video of their own. Keep it under your hat until a subpoena is gotten, wouldn't want that to disappear much like the on car video will....
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 12:10 am |
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UpNorth wrote: I would think that the Home Depot had video of their own. Keep it under your hat until a subpoena is gotten, wouldn't want that to disappear much like the on car video will....
They do have video, without audio and only covers about 20ft. from the doors. But like I said, I'm not looking to directly pursue the incident any further.
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