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TAC
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 12:07 am |
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The individual that called 911 had no reason to do so, and should have been questioned as to why they did. Plain closed detectives often carry openly. I'm quite certain people are not calling 911 on them everyday just because they saw their weapon.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 12:12 am |
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TAC wrote: The individual that called 911 had no reason to do so, and should have been questioned as to why they did. Plain closed detectives often carry openly. I'm quite certain people are not calling 911 on them everyday just because they saw their weapon.
As I posted, the person turned out to be an off duty lapeer county deputy sherrif. If he had been that concerned, he should have challenged me himself! But no, the "CHICKEN S**T" had to call 911, and watch from a hiding spot. I really hope it frosted his jewels when he seen they had to let me go!
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TAC
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 12:36 am |
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MCL 750.234e). Finally, a pistol can’t be
carried in public where it violates local
ordinance.
The above is also a misleading statement. Local ordinances against open carry can not be passed by local authorities. They need the approval of the State Of Michigan to do so. The State will not grant that permission.
2-1990 MCL 123.1102 (PREEMPTION LAW) A local unit of government shall not impose special taxation on, enact or enforce any ordinance or regulation pertaining to,… ownership, registration, purchase, sale, transfer, transportation, or possession of pistols or other firearms, ammunition for pistols or other firearms, or components of pistols or other firearms,... This law was upheld by the MI Supreme Court.
Last edited on Mon May 5th, 2008 12:48 am by TAC
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Venator
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 12:28 pm |
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TAC wrote:
MCL 750.234e). Finally, a pistol can’t be
carried in public where it violates local
ordinance.
The above is also a misleading statement. Local ordinances against open carry can not be passed by local authorities. They need the approval of the State Of Michigan to do so. The State will not grant that permission.
2-1990 MCL 123.1102 (PREEMPTION LAW) A local unit of government shall not impose special taxation on, enact or enforce any ordinance or regulation pertaining to,… ownership, registration, purchase, sale, transfer, transportation, or possession of pistols or other firearms, ammunition for pistols or other firearms, or components of pistols or other firearms,... This law was upheld by the MI Supreme Court.
Most everyboby that has spent time on this site know this. Local ordinances on firearm carry are illegal.
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Seif5034
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 03:51 am |
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| why are they allowed to keep that if it's unusable? i'd think that they would just toss it out or are they hoping to scare people away from OC and/or hoping to get the state to approve a regulation? Last edited on Sun May 25th, 2008 03:51 am by Seif5034
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 02:41 pm |
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Seif5034 wrote: why are they allowed to keep that if it's unusable? i'd think that they would just toss it out or are they hoping to scare people away from OC and/or hoping to get the state to approve a regulation?
Strictly for the factor of INTIMIDATION for the un-informed!! Scare them into not carrying a gun in plain sight. As such, the need for this forum and others like it, to educate and inform the general public of their rights and how to defend themselves. This is also the sole purpose of my radio show. With thanks to this forum's help and the listeners, the show is doing great. To support their reasoning, just web search STUPID LAWS--- you'll be surprised what kind of stupid laws are still on the books. Not to say that they are enforced, but they are still there. I don't remember what state right off hand, but there is still a law on the books that it is illegal to carry your lunch in a brown paper bag! GO FIGURE! 
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adam40cal
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 04:47 pm |
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Heres one thats still on the books.
Any person over the age of 12 may have a license for a handgun as long as he/she has not been convicted of a felony.
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/michigan
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Jared
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 10:00 pm |
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sccrref wrote: WARCHILD wrote: Michigander wrote: I'd be up for going OCing with you guys there if I wasn't about to move. In my opinion a picnic in Corunna might be a good idea. 
By the way, if it were me, I would complain to the state police about being disarmed. They had no legal right to disarm you, because they had no probable cause to believe that you commited a crime. I'd call that unlawful search and seizure. Given that the MSP actually sent out a news letter detailing the legality of open carry, I would have hoped and expected that they would have diffused the situation.
I posted an edit correction in the thread. the cheif took my gun. I think you should have filed theft charges against the chief. You had 2 MSP officers as witnesses to the fact that he took your gun without your permission and no legal right to do so. That would have really chapped the chief's ass. 
The chief taking you gun is illegal and an unlawful seizure of your property. The U.S. Supreme Court has already dealth with this issue. The case was Arizona v Hicks. Even if your gun was not registered, the evidence would have been tossed out because there was no reasonable suspicion that your gun or gun possession was illegal.
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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 06:37 pm |
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adam40cal wrote: Heres one thats still on the books.
Any person over the age of 12 may have a license for a handgun as long as he/she has not been convicted of a felony.
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/michigan
Actually, I'm pretty sure that one is no longer in the MCL.
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teamreddog
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 07:29 am |
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I saw earlier someone asked about his jurisdiction over Home Depot. I will have to check into it at work a little better but I know in genesee county we deputise all the local PD officers. This gives them jurisdiction in the whole county.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 09:53 am |
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teamreddog wrote: I saw earlier someone asked about his jurisdiction over Home Depot. I will have to check into it at work a little better but I know in genesee county we deputise all the local PD officers. This gives them jurisdiction in the whole county.
That was me. I know back in the day (when I had brown hair), the city officers had to have their lights on for the stop BEFORE they reached the city limits. The supposed end of their jurisdiction. If there was any dispute by the citizen, the officer would have to call the county or state for an officer to come out and support his stop. I was asking if Mich is still this way. I had been told the jurisdiction laws had been dropped. That ANY officer has the right to enforce no matter where he is in the state. i.e. a Flint cop can write you a ticket for speeding in Owosso, without calling for local officer support. Hence, if jurisdiction laws were in place at the time of my Home Depot detention, the Corunna chief had in essence STOLEN my gun in the presence of the State Troopers. Had I been sure at the time about this subject, I would have challenged the chief immediately! No one had the right to dis-arm me, let alone someone outside their jurisdiction.
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