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WARCHILD
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 10:29 pm |
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Sorry Venator, I one-uped on you. I was "Detained" in the Home Depot parking lot today by 2 state troopers and the Corunna Chief of Police! (Home Depot is in Corunna jurisdiction) They held me there for an hour and ten minutes, so it is much too involved to expalin entirely here. However you want to guess what my topic will be for this Sat.'s show is going to be. The trooper was very professional (I only had to deal with one, guess the other was a back-up, he never spoke to me), but the "CHIEF" of police--- totally different story--- he is the hardass you don't want to have this experience with. He was not only VERY un-professional, EXTREMELY AGRESSIVE , he tried his best to antagonize me into a confrontation! NOT with this old man, when in these circumstances-- KILL THEM WITH KINDNESS-- the more he realized, I wasn't going to his jail, the more frustrated and agressive he got! Were he a mad dog, I would have thought him rabid! only his mouth wasn't foaming just yet. But I was kindly working the situation that way!!! Anyway, you'll have to listen to the Saturday Afternoon Shootout, to here the full story and get the nitty-gritty details.
Next show: Sat Apr 26th 3pm
Moral of the story-- I DIDN'T GO TO JAIL--  and I think the chief is going to need some more grecian formula, tums, and a case of prozac. Remedial personality and people skills class wouldn't hurt either!! 
C'mon guys; you wouldn't want me to spoil my ratings now would ya?
Last edited on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 12:06 am by WARCHILD
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dougwg
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 10:50 pm |
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TEASE!!
I want the whole story now ! ! !
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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 10:54 pm |
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Me Too!!!
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ghostrider
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 12:25 am |
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SpringerXDacp wrote: Me Too!!! I'll third that.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 12:32 am |
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| It would take me half the night to relate the FUN I had while being "Detained" and that's a lot of typing for an old man. Only thing I wish-- I had video--!!!
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Michigander
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 02:43 am |
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I think this is wonderful in a way, having this negative police contact. It makes certain that other cops will hear of it. The more the merrier, as far as spreading the word of OC.
I look forward to listening to the radio show.
You should call the local MSP post and ask if the Troopers would like to come on the show.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 02:46 am |
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By the way, this brings up an interesting point. If a chief is way out of hand, who do you complain to?
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dougwg
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 02:53 am |
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| The Mayor then the City Council
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 03:09 am |
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Michigander wrote: By the way, this brings up an interesting point. If a chief is way out of hand, who do you complain to?
I wouldn't file a complaint, but it sure sounds like some education is needed, like say maybe an oc walk by a few educated people who just happen to carry guns, maybe in downtown -- CORUNNA--!
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 03:15 am |
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SpringerXDacp wrote: Me Too!!!
Oh,oh,oh...me too...ME TOO. PLEASE, you little tease
TJ
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 03:24 am |
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| Ok, one little tidbit, when the chief checked out the magazine-- he made a point to show the trooper and didn't like what he saw and shot me a look of true dislike! I was max loaded-- 17mag- 1 in the pipe-- 135gr jhp of teflon coated Black Talons! He said they're illegal, I said no, the manufacture of teflon coated bullets was banned, not the possesion of ammunition purchased pre-ban. I have 2,000 rounds, would you like some.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 03:24 am |
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| Well first of all, I'm sorry you were detained. Second, thank you for your contribution to society. You sir have done what I have only spoken of. Since the day I became enlightened I have said that an afternoon detained would be worth the loss of an afternoon just to educate the masses and the local PD.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 03:35 am |
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| harley: thanks, and yes it was worth the time. Not since I was in the service and I told a full bird colonel "Sir, it is a medicaly proven fact that sex relieves tension and you appear very tense so why don't you go get F****d!" This was even more enjoyable than that event by far. This was my first experience with a cop who was so eager to take someone to jail and to see him getting more frustrated by the minute because he couldn't do so was --- PRICELESS-- I think my S**t eating grin and have a nice day as I left was the true cherry on the top!
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ghostrider
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 04:04 am |
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Ya know, you could just type out a few paragraphs at a time, and post that way. Even if you told us the whole story, I'm sure there'd be plenty about it to talk on for the show.
Heck, discussing it on this forum may even provide additional material for the show. Kind of like a brainstorming thing.
And, thanks for what you did.
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Trigger Dr
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 05:01 am |
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Yeah, how about us on the west coast that don't get your show?
Jim
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ghostrider
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 05:04 am |
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Trigger Dr wrote: Yeah, how about us on the west coast that don't get your show?
Jim
You couldn't get it on the internet?
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adam40cal
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 11:40 am |
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I just got one quick question then I can wait till Saturday haha. What did the chief say when you told him open carry is legal in the state of Michigan?
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 12:16 pm |
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OK- you guys are as bad as kids,
Background: I always ask the store mngr. of any business I go into if it is ok to OC in their store BEFORE I carry. I have been primarily OCing for the last 3yrs, except in those places requesting not to. I have carried in Home Depot for about 2yrs, off and on. More visible now with warm weather and no jacket. Never had a problem. There are 2 employess in the store that I have talked to who also carry but not while on the job. As I related on the show, in one case, a man with his two boys saw my gun and the boys became excited. I could see it was a problem for him to shop and try to control his boys so I covered it up with my shirt and went to a different aisle. Did I have to do that, no, was it the right thing to do, in my opinion yes. Did I bend the exercising of my rights to public pressure, NO-- It's called common courtesy to others. It's my right to carry and the man said nothing even after his boys became excited. He gave no emotional looks or actions, so I chose to help him out and relieve the excitement so he could do his shopping. Ok, all this just to explain, me, like all of us here are not looking for excitement or causing panic just to enforce our right to carry.
Part 1: I was in Home Depot Mon. did my shopping and went out to my truck. I un-loaded my cart and walked over to put the cart into the rack in the parking lot. (yeah, I'm one of those who put's them away) I turned around and there are two state troopers and the Corunna chief boxing me in with their cars. I immediately pulled my elbows into my chest and put my hands on my shoulders, stood still and faced the officers as they came toward me, with their hands on their guns of course. The trooper told me not to make any moves toward my gun and I said I have no intention of doing so. :CORRECTION:He asked if I had a cpl. I told him yes and it was in my wallet in my left rear pocket, would you like me to get it. He said no, don't move I'll get it. The Chief then took my gun while the trooper was getting my wallet. The trooper was in front and a little left of me, the cheif moved in to the right and beside me within a couple of feet. The trooper said Home Depot called about a complaint with a man with a gun. I told him I didn't understand that because I had permission from the store to do so, and related to him about always getting permission from the stores before I carry there. The the trooper started into his rendition of how much trouble and excitement I have and could cause by such irresponsible actions. I ask him how much more could I have done other than ask permission. I'm not responsible for someone else's actions because the powers that be don't want to educate the masses that's it's legal to carry a gun and not to panic when they see one carried in a peaceful manner. Then he made his most intimidating comment: "They may revoke your cpl for such a foolish and irresponsible act." I JUMPED ON THAT ONE--- "How can this be cause for a revocation of my cpl, I have broken none of the restrictions of the license. I wasn't brandishing, under the influence, or acting carless in any manner. I have been polite, cooperated with you, surrendered my gun, provided all documentation needed, and have made no complaint about being detained for doing something legal." The trooper said, "You have a cpl, why don't you cover it up?" I said, because it is more comfortable, I don't like not having my shirt tucked in and it was too warm to wear my jacket. He said, "You know you can expect this kind of thing to happen." I told him I was aware of that and that I've been carrying for 4yrs now and this was the first time I have ever been challenged. I also told him that I had no problem with them stopping me. When I chose to wear the gun I took on the burden of responsibility that comes with that and my actions must reflect that responsibility. I could see in his face he was beggining to realize and (maybe a little respect) that I wasn't some smartass looking for excitement, because his posture changed and his mood more amiable. He asked why I chose to carry a gun. I told him when BG's decide to rob pizza guys for 20 bucks, I decided to have a deterent. He must have heard of the incident because he said "Your not in Flint". I told him, no, but I sometimes work on the east side of Flint and I never go without my gun. He dropped the issue on that. (he must know the east side of Flint also)
Correction is in bold. sorry, lost my train of thoughts on the event.
THIS is where the cheif steps up! Up next: what happened with the chief!
Part 2: Ok, At this time I crossed my arms in front of me and kept them there the rest of the time. footnote: ALWAYS! assume this type of posture if you are like me, I am really bad at talking with my hands. With my arms folded, there is no way the cheif or trooper could say I made ANY aggressive movement! Given the cheif's aggressive actions and attempt to intimidate me, I was taking no chances!
As the trooper was getting my wallet, the cheif took out my gun, removed the clip, cleared the pipe, and gave me a really hateful look. The trooper then began his 10 minute rendition again on how foolish it was to do this since I had a cpl. The cheif steps up: (I relate him to be ex-military definately, Marine or Drill instructor, I'd recognize that posture anywhere) he got within ten inches of my face and square in the eye contact and said, (a very aggressive step forward) "This isn't the old west you know!" I said, I know and I'm glad it's not. He said;"Then why are you carrying that gun." I said, because it's legal and I can. He said; "Well I don't think you should be carrying it." I said; Ok, that's your opinion and I respect that, but I choose to carry everywhere I go. As I was facing off with the cheif, I could see the trooper out of the corner of my eye, I can't speak for him or know for sure what he was thinking, but the look on his face and his posture said volumes. I think I surprised him with my composure in the face of the cheif's aggression. At this point the trooper stepped in and the cheif gave him my gun and stepped over to his car. The trooper then told me he was mis-informed. It wasn't Home Depot who called, it was a concerned shopper. I told him ok, I can understand that and had no problem with it. I told him this re-enforces what I had said about public awareness and not making a panic call to 911. He thanked me for my co-operation and handed me my gun, which I refused. I told him I would rather he lay it in the seat of my truck and I will get it when I leave. He said ok, and put it in the driver's seat. The trooper then told me to consider what had happened here today and maybe change my view of open carrying.
Cheif: "Wait a minute I want to check that gun and see if it's registered!" The cheif stepped toward my truck and I asked him if he wanted the green card. He said: (in his usual very aggressive tone) "No, I want that gun!" I had opened the truck door to leave and it was still open, so I stepped back and let him take the gun. He went back to his car and got on the radio.
You're gonna love what happens next: unfortuneately you'll have to wait till tomorrow!
Part 3: Finale': I ask the trooper why the cheif was being so aggressive and rude towards me. I have been more than helpful, polite and made no complaints. The trooper said that the cheif feels very strong about his opinon on open carry. I said I respect that but it gives him no right to be rude and treat me in such a way. I have been respectfu, even though he has tried to intimidate me, and for him to act the way he has is not only very un-professional it's un-called for. I told the trooper, you haven't acted that way, you have been polite and very professional. You told me your opinion and I respected that you have that right, but the cheif is way out of line. The cheif yells at the trooper, "That gun's not even his." The trooper walks over to the cheif's car and they talk. The trooper asks, "Who's Carl, you brother?" I told him yes, we have traded the pistol back and forth a few times. The trooper walks back over to my truck and asks if the pistol is registered, and I said yes, I gave you the green card for it. So as I was getting the card out again the cheif tells the trooper: "I'm calling the prosecutor, he can't carry that." Now this is just my opinion, but I think the cheif was having an orgasmic moment, thinking he had me by the short hairs and I was going to jail! The trooper started looking at the green card again and I showed him the date of the transfer, Mar '06. I told him my brother was dying from cancer and we transfered all his guns into my name while he was still able to do so. And that he could see it was done right in the Owosso city police station. The trooper walked over to the other trooper in his car and showed him the card and he got on the radio. When trooper #2 got off the radio, he gave the card back to trooper #1. The cheif told the trooper the prosecutor wanted to talk to him on the cellphone. As the trooper was talking to the prosecutor I could hear him say that it was a misread by the dispatcher, the gun was legally registered to me in Mar '06. The cheif shot me such a look of frustration, I thought he might pop, so I just gave him and wide grin and just stood there. I can't say for sure, but in my opinion, I think the trooper must have put the cheif in check while they were talking, because the cheif never said another word or got within ten feet of me the rest of the time. The trooper walked back over to my truck and told the dispatcher's mistake, she didn't scroll down to the last transfer and it was ok, the gun was legally registered to me. He then handed my gun back towards me and once again I told him to just put it in the seat. The trooper said I was free to go and was sorry for taking up so much of my time. I told him I didn't mind a bit if it will help educate the people and law enforcement that what I was doing is legal. I would gladly spend a couple of hours, I'm retired and time isn't a real factor. Again the trooper apologized for taking up so much of my time and have a good day. I said, thank you, you too. I then looked at the cheif, with an intenional s**t eating grin, and said have a good day! Too bad I already had breakfast, I could have fried an egg on his head! I go into my truck, loaded my TOY back up and slowly left the lot, making sure I went WEST, to Owosso, didn't feel like the cheif pulling a traffic stop on me for loud exhaust once I was on a public street.
Now for me, it was time well spent. Gave me a chance to find out that the cheif of corunna has a strong opinion, and isn't very professional in doing his job. As I have related, I treated the trooper with equal respect as he did me and even to the cheif though he was agressive and tried to intimidate me more than once. Am I glad I pissed him off so bad, YES, the way he was acting he deserved it. Had I acted in kind, I would definately went to jail for any reason he could think of. I may not have even been charged, but the cheif would have loved the inconvience it would have caused me and the couple of hours or more it would have taken me to get out of jail. These are the chances you accept when you decide to OC. If you run into an officer like the cheif with the typical "I am God with a badge" attitude, you are in for a bad experience. So let your own confidence and common sense be your guide and make your decision carefuly, you may regret it later with the wrong LEO.
There you guys happy? Now you don't have to listen to the show for "The rest of the story" I love Paul Harvey, best radio commentator EVER!
Last edited on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 11:04 am by WARCHILD
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 12:47 pm |
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adam40cal wrote: I just got one quick question then I can wait till Saturday haha. What did the chief say when you told him open carry is legal in the state of Michigan?
Adam: he knew, but agressively let me know his opinion. I'll relate his most un-professional behavior in the next part of the thread.
Anyone want to join me for a walk in Corunna? Time for some further education.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 01:14 pm |
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I always thought the Owosso cops were hardcases when I was a teen there, but I do remember the Corunna cops having an even worse rep.
I'll have to be sure to test their knowledge of non-residents open carrying (with an AZ CCW) next time I'm back in Owosso for a visit.
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