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Roblamont80
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 07:51 am |
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Thanks for the you tube up about WARCHILD'S home depot issue. I am new to the forum and was made aware of Open carry from a volunteer police officer who I go shooting with on a regular basis. I think before I start carring around town I will swing by the local police station to gauge how they feel. I have made a very good repor with them since I have been in every couple of weeks to get gun purchase permits! I walk in and they all laugh and ask me what I am getting and if I will let them shoot it, I uasually say I can work out some range time for them if they can give me a little cruiser time!!! I need to stop in there pretty soon because I am going to be taking my new Taurus pt1911 of layaway soon! Recently I have been gauging the public so I have left my pistol in my truck and where just my holster into the gas station or where ever. It gets looks, but nothing crazy, but we will see how the general public feels when they see my Taurus pt92 AFS. 
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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 08:02 am |
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Roblamont80 wrote: Thanks for the you tube up about WARCHILD'S home depot issue. I am new to the forum and was made aware of Open carry from a volunteer police officer who I go shooting with on a regular basis. I think before I start carring around town I will swing by the local police station to gauge how they feel. I have made a very good repor with them since I have been in every couple of weeks to get gun purchase permits! I walk in and they all laugh and ask me what I am getting and if I will let them shoot it, I uasually say I can work out some range time for them if they can give me a little cruiser time!!! I need to stop in there pretty soon because I am going to be taking my new Taurus pt1911 of layaway soon! Recently I have been gauging the public so I have left my pistol in my truck and where just my holster into the gas station or where ever. It gets looks, but nothing crazy, but we will see how the general public feels when they see my Taurus pt92 AFS.
Roblamont, be careful about asking authorities their opinion (gauging) of OC. You don't want to come across as asking for permission to OC when it's perfectly legal in Michigan to do so. With you knowing one or more of the officers in your area and being a bit more in a rural area-unlike some of us down here-you should not have any problems.
ETA: Do you have a CPL?
Last edited on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 08:09 am by SpringerXDacp
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 08:50 am |
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As Venator would say; better to be forgiven than ask permission!
I had an extremely pleasant OC at --- Home Depot --- As I was waiting to check out a man came up to me and ask how can I carry a gun like that. Well, doesn't take much for me to start running of at the mouth about that. We stepped out of line and continued our conversation. I gave him some small handouts I carry in my wallet for just such an occasion. Them two more guys came up and ask the same thing. We all had an OC talk right there for about 20mins. I was actually glad to see the one guy, reach down and pull up his shirt and tuck it in, revealing a 1911/45. He had a CPL and as us all, was told it had to be concealed. He knows better now. My phone number is on the paper I hand out and one man called yesterday with his address and I mailed him a packet last night. We ended our talk, checked out and left. This is what it's all about guys. Here are three more individuals who are now aware of their rights to defend themselves.
I think I need a bigger wallet (can't carry enough paperwork). You think I would look funny carrying a purse with my Taurus.
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Roblamont80
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 09:29 am |
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Could you send me one of those packets? I would like to have the facts right next to my safty inspection cards. My address is
Robert Lamont
204. Mary st. Apt. i
Clare Mi,48617
This community is pretty small and largely hunters, so I don't think I would have any issues, but it is always better to be prepared for the worse so you don't get any suprises. I do not have a CPL yet, but I do hope to get one in the future. Every time I have the money to, I go and put it towards a new pistol!!
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 09:35 am |
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Rob; welcome to OCDO, I would be glad to. Sorry but I will have to make some up this weekend and I will put it in the mail to you on Mon. Much of it you can read right here on the forum, including links to gun laws, case law and much more. But I will send you one anyway, no problem.
Jerry
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Venator
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 01:18 pm |
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Last edited on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 12:16 am by Venator
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Venator
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 01:24 pm |
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Last edited on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 12:18 am by Venator
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SQLtables
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 02:08 pm |
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Venator wrote: SQLtables wrote: I was thinking about this after the get together today, and I can probably set up a form on my website to make this easier. I can create a backend database to organize all of the data, and you would just see a web form to enter the info.
I don't know if this is something you'd be interested in or not, we would have to link to it from here. I also don't know how quickly I could have it ready, I'm pretty busy with work and school, but I'd do my best.
Let me know.
When ever and what ever you can do to better our cause is welcome. If you set up a data base that's easy for our members to use great!
Ok, I have a quick question about that. What kind of issues do you see if the form is public? I'm not sure that I would be able, nor allowed, to use the user database for the forum, so it would either have to have it's own username and password, or be open to the public.
If it's open to the public, anybody could enter data, but anybody could also create an account here and post data. The difference is that we can respond more readily on the forum.
I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud. What do you all think?
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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 04:09 pm |
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Venator wrote: This is what we hand out at meetings. Copy if you like and carry it with you.
YOU CAN OPENLY CARRY A HANDGUN IN MICHIGAN
1) Any law abiding citizen of the State of Michigan who owns a safety inspected handgun may openly carry (in a holster) said firearm in all places not explicitly exempt by law with or
Do you happen to have this in as a Word Document, or a PDF file that you could email me? My reformatting abilities have been severely curtailed with age. 
If so, can you send it to michigan@pinkpistols.us ??
Thanks
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Venator
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 06:05 pm |
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Last edited on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 12:18 am by Venator
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Roblamont80
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 07:38 pm |
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A quick copy and paste and I will be good to go! Thanks. I love that youtube video of WARCHILD. Very good points that must be considered. Very smart not to take the gun from the officer!! That's the kinda of thing that could be miinterpreted and put you in a pine box! Good thinking, I think it is great to let others know about these events that you must not put yourself or others into.
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Venator
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 07:48 pm |
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Some pictures of our various outings around southern Michigan. I thought I would put them on this thread and will edit them as we add more.
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warlockmatized
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 10:48 pm |
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warchild and myself look like we called eachother to co-ordinate outfits lol
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 10:56 pm |
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warlockmatized wrote: warchild and myself look like we called eachother to co-ordinate outfits lol
Great minds think alike-- almost -- I only wear shorts to scare kids on halloween
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Darth_Tux
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 07:52 pm |
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My question is, has anyone had a negative encounter with a LEO? and how did you handle it. Would also like to suggest a open carry meeting in Grand Rapids at the Calder Plaza.
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Furner
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 11:21 pm |
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Darth_Tux wrote: My question is, has anyone had a negative encounter with a LEO? and how did you handle it. Would also like to suggest a open carry meeting in Grand Rapids at the Calder Plaza.
Im all for a GR meet, but I think a city park would be a better choice than Calder Plaza.
On a unrelated note, I will be OC-ing at Holland State Park this weekend. Ill check back in on Monday.
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Roblamont80
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 03:56 am |
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Welcome to the site Darth_Tux. You should take a look at this video. Warchild describes one of his expirences he had at a Home Depot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I40zAQGhXkU
Pay attention to how he acts and why. He handles the situation in a manor to minimize greif for all parties but stands his gound on the facts. Good methods and practices on his part makes the situation a learning expierence instead of an arrgument about rights.
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ghostrider
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 03:46 pm |
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Darth_Tux wrote: My question is, has anyone had a negative encounter with a LEO? and how did you handle it. Would also like to suggest a open carry meeting in Grand Rapids at the Calder Plaza.
I don't OC myself, so I can't answer your first question. On the second statement, why Calder Plaza? Other than it being in the heart of down town, and close to the pollice station, what does it have to offer besides flat concrete with little shade from the sun? It's not like it's a park. Are there restrooms available, and is a permit required?
Not trying to shoot down your idea, it's just that I never though about anything like a picnic at the Calder (although it would make a great backdrop for a group pic). It's too bad they don't have a decent park in the heart of down town for such things. Ford Museum comes to mind, but I don't know about the facilities, or if it qualifies. They do have nice grounds.
What about Riverside Park? It isn't down town, but it's a fairly active park, and has facilities (wonder why they haven't gotten rid of the porta jon's and gotten back to the regular facilities), as well as pavillions with tables.
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lockman
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 09:49 pm |
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The wording in the flier or citing statute and/or opinion in the above posts do not state or imply MI does not honor non-res CPL's. IN my reading here I would be under the impression I could carry openly into areas allowed under the CPL exemption. It states a permit issued by any other state.
Opinion No. 7097 January 11, 2002… A person licensed by this state… to carry a concealed weapon….By its express terms, section 234d prohibits certain persons from carrying a firearm in the enumerated places but explicitly exempts from its prohibition “[a] person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.” Thus, any person licensed to carry a concealed pistol, including a private investigator, is exempt from the gun-free zone restrictions imposed by section 234d of the Penal Code and may therefore possess firearms while on the types of premises listed in that statute.
Does the non resident provision only affect carrying concealed and in vehicles?
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 11:36 pm |
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| I had another good experience Thursday at Walmart. I was in the sporting goods getting a new reel and a small boy and his dad came up the aisle. The boy whispered to his dad; That guys got a gun. His dad said "That's ok, it's legal for him to carry it and I'm glad he can". I almost sh*t myself! I turned and looked at the man. He was in one of the power scooters with an apparent ankle injury. I gave him a slight grin, and waited, but nothing further was said. I left with a better feeling that the word is getting out and I will strive to continue to do so.
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