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Roblamont80
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| Location: | Clare, Michigan USA |
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 12:16 am |
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Smallest moments remind you that it just might be ok!!! I love parents who teach there kids truth instead of propaganda!!! Kudo's to the father for making steps at raising a child with a better understanding of the REAL world around them. 
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 12:24 am |
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Roblamont80 wrote: Smallest moments remind you that it just might be ok!!! I love parents who teach there kids truth instead of propaganda!!! Kudo's to the father for making steps at raising a child with a better understanding of the REAL world around them.
Well said, my thoughts exactly.
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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 12:26 am |
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lockman wrote: The wording in the flier or citing statute and/or opinion in the above posts do not state or imply MI does not honor non-res CPL's. IN my reading here I would be under the impression I could carry openly into areas allowed under the CPL exemption. It states a permit issued by any other state.
Opinion No. 7097 January 11, 2002… A person licensed by this state… to carry a concealed weapon….By its express terms, section 234d prohibits certain persons from carrying a firearm in the enumerated places but explicitly exempts from its prohibition “[a] person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.” Thus, any person licensed to carry a concealed pistol, including a private investigator, is exempt from the gun-free zone restrictions imposed by section 234d of the Penal Code and may therefore possess firearms while on the types of premises listed in that statute.
Does the non resident provision only affect carrying concealed and in vehicles?
Not in AG Opinion, but in state law,
28.432a Persons to whom requirements inapplicable.
Sec. 12a. The requirements of this act for obtaining a license to carry a concealed pistol do not apply to any of the following:
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(f) A resident of another state who is licensed by that state to carry a concealed pistol.
Check out This link: Michigan Firearms Law
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Sailorwatson
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 04:37 pm |
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Furner wrote: Darth_Tux wrote: My question is, has anyone had a negative encounter with a LEO? and how did you handle it. Would also like to suggest a open carry meeting in Grand Rapids at the Calder Plaza.
Im all for a GR meet, but I think a city park would be a better choice than Calder Plaza.
On a unrelated note, I will be OC-ing at Holland State Park this weekend. Ill check back in on Monday.
I would be interested in a local park meet. I would not be comfortable at Calder. GR does have a local ord. against open carry.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 04:41 pm |
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Sailorwatson wrote: Furner wrote: Darth_Tux wrote: My question is, has anyone had a negative encounter with a LEO? and how did you handle it. Would also like to suggest a open carry meeting in Grand Rapids at the Calder Plaza.
Im all for a GR meet, but I think a city park would be a better choice than Calder Plaza.
On a unrelated note, I will be OC-ing at Holland State Park this weekend. Ill check back in on Monday.
I would be interested in a local park meet. I would not be comfortable at Calder. GR does have a local ord. against open carry.
Don't forget the 1990 Pre-emption law. City ordinances in this issue are not enforceable, therefore, meaningless.
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dougwg
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 04:42 pm |
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Sailorwatson wrote: Furner wrote: Darth_Tux wrote: My question is, has anyone had a negative encounter with a LEO? and how did you handle it. Would also like to suggest a open carry meeting in Grand Rapids at the Calder Plaza.
Im all for a GR meet, but I think a city park would be a better choice than Calder Plaza.
On a unrelated note, I will be OC-ing at Holland State Park this weekend. Ill check back in on Monday.
I would be interested in a local park meet. I would not be comfortable at Calder. GR does have a local ord. against open carry.
The Grand Rapids local ordinance is voided by preemption as such it should be a moot point.Last edited on Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 04:43 pm by dougwg
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mastiff69
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 10:02 pm |
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O/C at save-o-lot food store in Battle Creek Mi for 30-45 minutes no problems.
Did not notice anybody running away, or scared, everybody was in a good mood !!
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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 10:58 pm |
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It occurs to me, I have an open carry experience at least twice a day, 4 days of the week. usually once on my way to work, and once on my way home from work, and no one ever gets afraid, or nervous, and yes, they do look, but I think most would look anyway, to see exactly what uniform I'm wearing.
I work as a security officer, 4 days each week, and it amazes me, no one seems to care that I'm packing.
Why, you might ask, am I amazed? Because Michigan has no state mandated (or standardized) training for security, armed or otherwise. You don't need a CPL to be an armed guard in Michigan. Of course, without the CPL, you can't carry it in the car, you have to lock it up. But they can't keep you from packing while on your feet.
Now, some people might not object to this. But I have to tell you, as a professional security officer, it scares me. It's one thing for a private person to walk around carrying a pistol. That's a God-Given right, and I think everyone should excersize it.
But when someone pays for professional service, then I think they deserve professional service. Granted, most security companies in Michigan have some sort of home grown training. But having been through armed guard training in Illinios (over 29 years ago), I have to tell you, if it's not standardized, there's no telling what some guards are being taught.
Personally, I hope they all get CPL's, but that's no guarantee either. I've heard horror stories about instructors giving out false info. I hope those are few, but, you just don't know.
Ok, I'm done with my Rant now. 
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Sailorwatson
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 06:19 pm |
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dougwg wrote: Sailorwatson wrote: Furner wrote: Darth_Tux wrote: My question is, has anyone had a negative encounter with a LEO? and how did you handle it. Would also like to suggest a open carry meeting in Grand Rapids at the Calder Plaza.
Im all for a GR meet, but I think a city park would be a better choice than Calder Plaza.
On a unrelated note, I will be OC-ing at Holland State Park this weekend. Ill check back in on Monday.
I would be interested in a local park meet. I would not be comfortable at Calder. GR does have a local ord. against open carry.
The Grand Rapids local ordinance is voided by preemption as such it should be a moot point.
You are absolutely correct. I am not, however, in a position to make that challenge. Besides, it would put both me and the GR City Attorney in an awkward position.
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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 10:19 pm |
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Sailorwatson wrote:
You are absolutely correct. I am not, however, in a position to make that challenge. Besides, it would put both me and the GR City Attorney in an awkward position.
Ok, enquiring minds want to know, what awkward position could that possibly be?
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SQLtables
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 02:59 am |
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Well, I've had probably a couple more hours OCing in Walmart in Saginaw and Midland, as well as Target.
Also, I finally got the nerve to OC in Frankenmuth. It's not that I was worried about any trouble, but I want to work for the PD, and I live and work here in town, so it's very likely that I could see my bosses and I'm not sure how what they'd think about it, even though I'm not too worried about that.
I didn't wear my normal serpa, but I did have my shirt tucked in with my normal CC holster, so half of the gun was exposed. My girlfriend and I walked all through downtown this weekend, and if you've ever been in Frankenmuth on the weekend, you know it's very busy. I have absolutely no issues, and only a few looks.
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mvpel
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 04:47 am |
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Big Gay Al wrote: But when someone pays for professional service, then I think they deserve professional service. Granted, most security companies in Michigan have some sort of home grown training. But having been through armed guard training in Illinios (over 29 years ago), I have to tell you, if it's not standardized, there's no telling what some guards are being taught.
Heck, there's no telling what some POLICE OFFICERS are being taught.
N.H. Cop Shot In Chest By Fellow Offiicer
How's that for "professional service," eh?
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starshooter231
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 12:04 am |
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| I OCed last night and today. First stop gas station @ 3AM no problem I don't even think the guy noticed it. Second was the coffee shop again nobody noticed it. Stop number 3 was the cable company and again nobody noticed. The last stop was for another coffee and again nobody said anything.
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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 01:39 am |
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Gotta watch those cable company offices. Mine (Comcast) has a sign about "no weapons allowed" or something to that effect. I'm in there for such a short time, when I do go in, it's covered.
Even if they find out, all they can really do is ask you to leave. Until they do that, sign or no sign, you've not broken any laws.
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mastiff69
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 01:46 am |
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NO GUN ALLOWED NO MONEY
I use Direct Tv
NO SIGNS ON MY BILLING ENVELOPE
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Venator
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 06:47 pm |
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I'm on vacation and have been going to the Phoenix cafe in Buelah, MI with no problems opening carrying (3 previous times) until Sunday. To my surprise the owner asked me what's up with the gun? I said I carry for all lawful purposes...etc. He tells me some costumer has some concerns (I thought I was a customer, but I guess not.) He asked me to take the gun to my car, I say I'll cover it up which I did. He comes back two minutes later and said he talked it over with his partner and they don't want guns in the cafe. I told him if I concealed how would he know, he said he wouldn't that he's not against guns, he just wants to keep his customers happy...but not me I guess. I told him his business would be put on a website as anti-gun, he said he didn't care. At this time he doesn't have a no guns sign, so concealed carry seems ok...for know.
So if anyone wants to send a nice and professional comment on his lose of firearm owners that would let him know that some potential customers will not be stopping by for coffee or food. The website is below. Thanks.
http://hometown.aol.com/TheBeulahPhoenix/
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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:03 pm |
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Venator wrote: I'm on vacation and have been going to the Phoenix cafe in Buelah, MI with no problems opening carrying (3 previous times) until Sunday. To my surprise the owner asked me what's up with the gun? I said I carry for all lawful purposes...etc. He tells me some costumer has some concerns (I thought I was a customer, but I guess not.) He asked me to take the gun to my car, I say I'll cover it up which I did. He comes back two minutes later and said he talked it over with his partner and they don't want guns in the cafe. I told him if I concealed how would he know, he said he wouldn't that he's not against guns, he just wants to keep his customers happy...but not me I guess. I told him his business would be put on a website as anti-gun, he said he didn't care. At this time he doesn't have a no guns sign, so concealed carry seems ok...for know.
So if anyone wants to send a nice and professional comment on his lose of firearm owners that would let him know that some potential customers will not be stopping by for coffee or food. The website is below. Thanks.
http://hometown.aol.com/TheBeulahPhoenix/
Brian, is there a 'Contact Us' link on that site? I could not find it.
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theboyzmom
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:07 pm |
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| Well, I did my first OC today!!! I carried into the Dairy Queen in Mt. Morris and the BP at 75 and Mt. Morris Rd. Amazingly the person that was most freaked out was my 15 year old- who did not notice until I commented on it. After he saw we did not get in trouble he wants me to do it more. Said it makes him feel safe.
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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:10 pm |
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theboyzmom wrote: Well, I did my first OC today!!! I carried into the Dairy Queen in Mt. Morris and the BP at 75 and Mt. Morris Rd. Amazingly the person that was most freaked out was my 15 year old- who did not notice until I commented on it. After he saw we did not get in trouble he wants me to do it more. Said it makes him feel safe.
The way it should be...no issues. Congrats!!!
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:14 pm |
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| Brian: Too bad. I guess "Out of town" happy customers don't count. You should have told him that and left. (after negotiating a discount bill for unfinished meal/coffee). Other than that, I hoping you're having a great time. Tune in tmw @ 3. I'm doing my first solo show. See you soon.
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