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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 01:00 am |
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SpringerXDacp wrote: Venator wrote: I'm on vacation and have been going to the Phoenix cafe in Buelah, MI with no problems opening carrying (3 previous times) until Sunday. To my surprise the owner asked me what's up with the gun? I said I carry for all lawful purposes...etc. He tells me some costumer has some concerns (I thought I was a customer, but I guess not.) He asked me to take the gun to my car, I say I'll cover it up which I did. He comes back two minutes later and said he talked it over with his partner and they don't want guns in the cafe. I told him if I concealed how would he know, he said he wouldn't that he's not against guns, he just wants to keep his customers happy...but not me I guess. I told him his business would be put on a website as anti-gun, he said he didn't care. At this time he doesn't have a no guns sign, so concealed carry seems ok...for know.
So if anyone wants to send a nice and professional comment on his lose of firearm owners that would let him know that some potential customers will not be stopping by for coffee or food. The website is below. Thanks.
http://hometown.aol.com/TheBeulahPhoenix/
Brian, is there a 'Contact Us' link on that site? I could not find it.
Well there is the web mistress, JudyLaugh@aol.com 
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ruger45
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 02:44 am |
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I went OCing today, took my dog to Petsmart in Grand Blanc to get him groomed. Dog did not end up getting groomed, dog tried to take lady's face off. We were in the store approx. 20 minutes looking around. I had a few glances, no question. Then the wife & I went to Wal-mart in Burton on Court St. OCed in there for 30-45 minutes. No questions, few glances. Then on the way out, my wife stopped to buy a pop from the vending machine. A guy, not an employee, a customer, came up behind me & told me that this was not an open carry state & that I need to put my gun away. I told him it is legal. He asked me what state I was from.  I got out my trusty papers & showed him that it is in fact legal to OC in Michigan. Come to find out, he is a fire fighter/EMT & has a CCW. He said he would have to call his instructor who is a Flint cop to ask him about it.
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theboyzmom
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 04:12 pm |
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| Wonder if it is the same instructor I had. He was also a Flint cop and said that OC was not legal in Michigan. Which seems strange - as a police officer I would rather have the gun out where I can see it as opposed to having it as a hidden surprise.
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ruger45
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 06:09 pm |
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| he did say he would check into it cause he would rather o.c than have it coverd up I gave him this web site to check out
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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 06:12 pm |
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ruger45 wrote: he did say he would check into it cause he would rather o.c than have it coverd up I gave him this web site to check out
Another one on our side. 
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 12:12 am |
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Confidence and Freedom; Gotta love it. Today before the show I stopped at Harbor Freight Tools. As I was approaching the door, a large man by the phone gave me a nasty look as I entered. I have carried there before and no problem or challenges. I got my tools and was standing in line to check out. I noticed outside the window, the large man I had seen was with another large man, giving me the hard stare. Man #2, then gets on his cellphone and I kinda know what he's relating by him demonstrating on himself on the position of my gun. I lauged to myself, here we go again. I paid for my tools and as I was walking out the door, man #2 with the phone says: "Don't run off, I've already called the police". I said, ok, have a nice conversation with them. He said "I got your plate number too". I said ok, come see me sometime and I will talk to the cops anytime, tell them, I'm going east on I-69 and getting off at Dort hwy. Have a nice day. I got in my truck and left. No cops, no follow, NO PROBLEM!
I will have to admit, for 3yrs, I was not challenged. Now as expected, as it becomes more common and word is getting out, I have been challenged more in the last 6mos. than the previous 3yrs. Not that I mind at all. I am really starting to enjoy being able to face a challenge with total confidence. Thanks to this forum and all the people in it.
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mastiff69
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 02:47 am |
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Hey warchild i was at the Battle creek harbor freight they just opened, i had no problems, or bad people hanging out just me .
Maybe you should start shopping in the battle creek store Oh or is it that your looking more shady now that you retired
Have a nice week end. We hope to be at the john ball park on july 12
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 02:51 am |
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mastiff69 wrote: Hey warchild i was at the Battle creek harbor freight they just opened, i had no problems, or bad people hanging out just me.
Maybe you should start shopping in the battle creek storeOh or is it that your looking more shady now that you retired
Have a nice week end. We hope to be at the john ball park on july 12
I'm glad someone recognizes my finer qualities! No problem with the store, the assit. manager was at the register when I checked out, no problem. Maybe it's my hat?
OOPs--- have a good time at the picnic, sorry but I have my show that weekend. I hope to have a call from the picnic though, for the live show. Oh yeah, I'm retired, everyday is the weekend
Last edited on Sun Jun 29th, 2008 02:53 am by WARCHILD
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springerdave
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 05:01 am |
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June 28 OCed Alpena Marithon station fueled up car then payed inside-no problem-oced in Dairy Queen in Lake City on M-55 no problem oced in Sparta Family Fare no problem- . Tomorrow is another day. will be on the road in different places in the lower p. See ya there.
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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 06:48 am |
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WARCHILD wrote: SNIP man #2 with the phone says: "Don't run off, I've already called the police". I said, ok, have a nice conversation with them. SNIP
That's hilarious
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louismacote
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 06:18 am |
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I live in Sault Sainte Marie, in Chippewa Country, in the UP. I have been open carrying various handguns in MI for a few months now, mostly because of this website. I do it to remind people, that this is still America, I am still an American man, I can still have a gun, and NO, I am not ashamed of any of the above.
I had my first run in with our local city PD yesterday. Unlike our excellent sherriff dept (under Sheriff Moran it is very gun friendly), our local city PD is dominated by the bully and power hungry mentality. Frankly, most of them just need a real job. Nobody in this town respects them because of the drastic difference we all see between the city and county officer's attitudes.
I was walking into the local Auto Zone for some primer. As I walked in, I saw in the glass reflection the patrol car slow down quickly on the road behind me, then pull in to the adjacent hotel. They "snuck" with their lights out behind the hotel, and positioned themself to wait for whatever extraordinary event was about to "go down!". (Small town cops often seem too eager for action, to me anyway). I meandered about inside for a few minutes hoping to avoid the needless confrontation, but to no avail. As soon as I exited the building, they were off to the races across the lot to diagonally park directly behind my car. (Hint to law enforcement: if someone habbitually parks facing a curb with direct access to a road, blocking off their rear, really has no point but to be rude). Of course, like a good little sheep, I just sat and waited patiently as the officer signalled for me to raise my hands.
The conversation went something like this: Me: evening officer, how can I help you? LEO: Are you packing a piece? (no @#$%, he actually said those words). Me: yes sir, I am open carrying, but would you like to see my permit to conceal carry? (LEO leaves to talk to his buddy who is "covering me" with his arms folded behind my car). LEO: which side is your gun on? Me: my rear right, and my wallet is on my rear left. (LEO once again returns to "covering parter" who is clearly getting bored. LEO: slowly pull your wallet out with your left hand. Me: here ya go. You know, I am aware OC is legal in this state, but that it is not socially acceptable. As you can see, my CCW license is from north carolina where I was stationed in the Army. Many people OC there, where I picked up the practice. LEO: well we just don't see this stuff around here. (LEO takes my license, CPL, and military ID to car for the standard 20 minutes). LEO: well son, I don't really understand why you do this, but I just don't want to see you gettin' in anymore trouble. Me: Officer, I mind my own business around here, and haven't been in any trouble since I was a little kid.
The Sault PD LEO then "released" me, and went on about his merry way. What was the point of the whole shabang? Beats me, I didn't do anything wrong. Now, you can point to no point in our conversation where either party was deliberately rude, but body language and tone say a lot. I can not express how frustrated I was with this LEO. His attitude was very hostile, and tone was very demeaning. Like he was talking to some child he just busted with pot, but was letting go with a warning.
Why do we have to be afraid of our Public Servants? I do nothing wrong, mind my own business, and never hurt anyone. For that matter, I am a partly disabled veteran. Why is it that every time I see a city or state police officer, I get nervous when I do nothing wrong? Reminds me of the feeling in elementry school when you would see the big fat bully walking up behind you to take your lunch money.
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louismacote
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 06:30 am |
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I live in Sault Sainte Marie, in Chippewa Country, in the UP. I have been open carrying various handguns in MI for a few months now, mostly because of this website. I do it to remind people, that this is still America, I am still an American man, I can still have a gun, and NO, I am not ashamed of any of the above.
I had my first run in with our local city PD yesterday. Unlike our excellent sherriff dept (under Sheriff Moran it is very gun friendly), our local city PD is dominated by the bully and power hungry mentality. Frankly, most of them just need a real job. Nobody in this town respects them because of the drastic difference we all see between the city and county officer's attitudes.
I was walking into the local Auto Zone for some primer. As I walked in, I saw in the glass reflection the patrol car slow down quickly on the road behind me, then pull in to the adjacent hotel. They "snuck" with their lights out behind the hotel, and positioned themself to wait for whatever extraordinary event was about to "go down!". (Small town cops often seem too eager for action, to me anyway). I meandered about inside for a few minutes hoping to avoid the needless confrontation, but to no avail. As soon as I exited the building, they were off to the races across the lot to diagonally park directly behind my car. (Hint to law enforcement: if someone habbitually parks facing a curb with direct access to a road, blocking off their rear, really has no point but to be rude). Of course, like a good little sheep, I just sat and waited patiently as the officer signalled for me to raise my hands.
The conversation went something like this: Me: evening officer, how can I help you? LEO: Are you packing a piece? (no @#$%, he actually said those words). Me: yes sir, I am open carrying, but would you like to see my permit to conceal carry? (LEO leaves to talk to his buddy who is "covering me" with his arms folded behind my car). LEO: which side is your gun on? Me: my rear right, and my wallet is on my rear left. (LEO once again returns to "covering parter" who is clearly getting bored. LEO: slowly pull your wallet out with your left hand. Me: here ya go. You know, I am aware OC is legal in this state, but that it is not socially acceptable. As you can see, my CCW license is from north carolina where I was stationed in the Army. Many people OC there, where I picked up the practice. LEO: well we just don't see this stuff around here. (LEO takes my license, CPL, and military ID to car for the standard 20 minutes). LEO: well son, I don't really understand why you do this, but I just don't want to see you gettin' in anymore trouble. Me: Officer, I mind my own business around here, and haven't been in any trouble since I was a little kid.
The Sault PD LEO then "released" me, and went on about his merry way. What was the point of the whole shabang? Beats me, I didn't do anything wrong. Now, you can point to no point in our conversation where either party was deliberately rude, but body language and tone say a lot. I can not express how frustrated I was with this LEO. His attitude was very hostile, and tone was very demeaning. Like he was talking to some child he just busted with pot, but was letting go with a warning.
Why do we have to be afraid of our Public Servants? I do nothing wrong, mind my own business, and never hurt anyone. For that matter, I am a partly disabled veteran. Why is it that every time I see a city or state police officer, I get nervous when I do nothing wrong? Reminds me of the feeling in elementry school when you would see the big fat bully walking up behind you to take your lunch money.
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dougwg
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 04:02 pm |
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| Pretty sad isn't it.
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theboyzmom
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 02:02 am |
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| Well, I am getting more and more guts to OC. Today I went to TSC in Clio to get some food for the fish and openly carried with my almost 2 year old by my side. I did get some looks, and one young girl said to his dad "Does she have a gun - how cool is that - do you think she would let me see it?" Dad said no but I would have been more than willing to tell her about why I carry. Other than that no problems.
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ghostrider
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:13 pm |
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WARCHILD wrote: ...
I paid for my tools and as I was walking out the door, man #2 with the phone says: "Don't run off, I've already called the police". I said, ok, have a nice conversation with them. He said "I got your plate number too". I said ok, come see me sometime and I will talk to the cops anytime, tell them, I'm going east on I-69 and getting off at Dort hwy. Have a nice day. I got in my truck and left. No cops, no follow, NO PROBLEM!...
See, now you sir have patience. I don't think I could have gone through that without laughing at the person who thought that he could tell me what to do, and that I was required to follow his orders. Okay, maybe I could have managed to refrain from laughing, but that's debatable, and it would have been with great difficulty.
Sorry. I've lost most of my tolerance for the arrogance of the ignorant.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 10:57 am |
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| Ghostrider: It's all about doing the unexpected. He was expecting an angry or surprised reaction. Do the opposite: walk by with indifference and be polite but continue on your way. To attempt to challenge someone and have them publicly IGNORE your challenge, will definately have a more negative impact on him, than any verbal argument could accomplish. I would rather embarass him than argue.
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springerdave
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 02:53 pm |
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July 1, oced in Fairview gas/ party store, good conversation w/ owner about bikes and "why are you wearing that" I replied because it's lawful to do so, told him how to find info on i-net (he is also a gun owner) BTW, during our conversation, an off duty state trooper came in to buy some things and left without making any comments. Good day. Road trip to UP oced in Munising BP no prob.
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ghostrider
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 03:53 pm |
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WARCHILD wrote: Ghostrider: It's all about doing the unexpected. He was expecting an angry or surprised reaction. Do the opposite: walk by with indifference and be polite but continue on your way. To attempt to challenge someone and have them publicly IGNORE your challenge, will definately have a more negative impact on him, than any verbal argument could accomplish. I would rather embarass him than argue. Oh, I'd certainly have "continued on my way". I'd have also probably been polite. Maybe I just found it so funny by the way you recounted the tale. In further conference I'd probably have done something similar. I just couldn't help but laugh when I read your post. Must just be the flare of your narrative skills.
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WARCHILD
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 10:09 pm |
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| Narrative skills; that's a new one. Would you go back in time and explain that to my english teacher, maybe she will change that "D" on my final!
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ghostrider
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 10:23 pm |
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WARCHILD wrote: Narrative skills; that's a new one. Would you go back in time and explain that to my english teacher, maybe she will change that "D" on my final! LOL.
Thought you might like that.
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