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Double_J
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 02:27 am |
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I have thought of a way to get our point across about open carry, and be within the law. The idea is that any weapon in a holster is "concealed" and the permit law only allows "concealed" carry, why don't a few of us with permits get together and start carrying "concealed" on our hips in plain view.
I believe that this will bring attention to the situation better than anything else would, as it would be readily apparent to everyone who looked that we were armed. Yet according to the general LEO attitude we would be carrying per the law, which is concealed. 
I figure if we kept this up for a while and we got a reporter or two to do a story on this we might be able to embarrass the state into at least recognizing what is already in the law, or changing it to clear up the general thought of "concealed carry". 
Just a thought...
Double J
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dave1289
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 04:45 am |
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Double_J wrote: I have thought of a way to get our point across about open carry, and be within the law. The idea is that any weapon in a holster is "concealed" and the permit law only allows "concealed" carry, why don't a few of us with permits get together and start carrying "concealed" on our hips in plain view.
I believe that this will bring attention to the situation better than anything else would, as it would be readily apparent to everyone who looked that we were armed. Yet according to the general LEO attitude we would be carrying per the law, which is concealed.
I figure if we kept this up for a while and we got a reporter or two to do a story on this we might be able to embarrass the state into at least recognizing what is already in the law, or changing it to clear up the general thought of "concealed carry".
Just a thought...
Double J
I think it would be better if a lot of unlicensed people started open carrying. The constitution of this state clearly gives us that right and we do not need a permit or anyone's permission to exercise it.
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mark edward marchiafava
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 11:32 am |
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THANK YOU DAVE !!!! Permit. We don't need no stinkin' permit.
Or try this on for size. Round up as many as we can and visit police stations/sheriff's offices wearing EMPTY holsters. Hand a copy of the state constitution, article 3 sec 12, ask the chief/sheriff to READ it (probably for the first time) and ask HIM to explain just how we exercise a right to BEAR arms in the Magnolia state. Believe me, I've done this and the results are often quite funny. If you're waiting for the NRA (negotiate rights away) to come assist us, well, I've got some land near Disneyworld for sale.
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Double_J
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Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2007 01:31 am |
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The reason that I was saying that we needed people with permits is so that when they say that it is not allowed we can say that it is "concealed" as per the existing police of the state. This will force the department to say either that it is open carry, which as we all agree does not require a permit or they will have to stand down as it will be "concealed". I have already looked at the disturbing the peace/disorderly conduct statutes too and they will not apply to this situation, and a competent attorney could prove that in a court of law.
After we force the issue then we can work on getting the departments to gradually change the way they handle this situation. We need to think in terms of baby steps, not just rattling the cage.
Double J
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mark edward marchiafava
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Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2007 02:16 am |
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There's only one major flaw with your plan: it requires permission from our SERVANTS to do that. I refuse.
I am going next week to a particular chief of police, Mississippi state constitution in hand. I am going to hand it to him, ask him to read (for the first time) the very law he swore an oath to uphold and defend. I am going to ask him to explain to me in plain english how I bear arms WITHOUT a permit. Even a 6th grader can figure this one out. It would be nice to have company in numbers, but I'm quite used to standing alone. As backup, my recorder will be in pocket and running..........I'll post the results later.
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Double_J
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Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 11:56 pm |
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The reason that I was wanting to use permit holders is so that we can say that it is concealed, per the Attorney Generals opinion. There is an opinion listed where a partially concealed pistol was considered concealed. I was saying to use that aspect to our advantage and walk around letting law enforcement say something about it. Then we can use the attorney generals opinion, in addition to the MS state constitution to get this issue sorted out.
And as a side note the only reason that I have a permit at the moment is so that I can carry a loaded weapon in Alabama and Tennessee when I visit my friends in those states. I also enjoy not having to wait on a response from the Feds when I purchase a firearm, as my permit acts as a background check. Which is another area that needs to be fixed, but it should come a little latter in the game.
Thanks,
Double J
P.S. We may not see eye to eye, but we are working toward the same goal. I am just using a little "civil disobedience" to get there. If you would like to compare notes and possibly plan somthing drop me an email.
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mark edward marchiafava
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Posted: Tue Oct 2nd, 2007 12:28 am |
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First things first: anytime you have to beg permission to exercise a right (concealed carry comes to mind) you're already conceding sovereignty.
I'll continue to work from a "free" basis to restore my other rights. Yep, probably alone. Under NO circumstances will I ask for a permit. Again, I'll visit one chief/sheriff at a time, recorder in pocket, to explain the concept of a right to them. It's a shame neither the NRA (negotiate rights away), the GOA, the SAF or the JPFO are truly interested in following my lead. I guess when there's no $$$$$$ involved, nobody give's a rat's rectum..............
Last edited on Tue Oct 2nd, 2007 12:34 am by mark edward marchiafava
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93sr20det
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Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2007 04:54 am |
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| I am down for an open carry in Gulfport!!!!
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mark edward marchiafava
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Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2007 10:08 am |
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| A bunch of us Goldwing motorcycle riders will be at the coast coliseum this weekend for the annual rally. I'll open carry and see what happens.
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93sr20det
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Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2007 02:04 pm |
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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
A bunch of us Goldwing motorcycle riders will be at the coast coliseum this weekend for the annual rally. I'll open carry and see what happens.
Too bad I am already going to the combat pistol match at the club on 67 or I would join you!
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Double_J
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Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2007 11:51 pm |
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Well, I might have to change my plans. I was going to vist a friend over in Metarie, but I could change my plans and stay here in Gulfport.
If you happen to see a guy riding an old Kawasaki 550 LTD, that will probably be me. I wouldn't be caught dead on a "grandpa bike" aka a Goldwing.
Maybe we can get together for lunch sometime this weekend and have a "planning session" for our common goal.
Talk to you all latter,
Double J
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UTOC-45-44
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Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2007 11:58 pm |
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: THANK YOU DAVE !!!! Permit. We don't need no stinkin' permit.
Or try this on for size. Round up as many as we can and visit police stations/sheriff's offices wearing EMPTY holsters. Hand a copy of the state constitution, article 3 sec 12, ask the chief/sheriff to READ it (probably for the first time) and ask HIM to explain just how we exercise a right to BEAR arms in the Magnolia state. Believe me, I've done this and the results are often quite funny. If you're waiting for the NRA (negotiate rights away) to come assist us, well, I've got some land near Disneyworld for sale.
Why EMPTY holsters ???
I can go into a Police Station WITHOUT a permit in the State of Utah WITH a gun in the Holster
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mark edward marchiafava
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Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2007 12:04 am |
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LOL.........don't let the fact I am still riding the same 82 wing fool ya.........
I can drag the pegs on the Old White Ghost. While it may be a Gold Wing rally, we do see lots of other bikes there. What color Kaw do you ride?
UTOC -45-44............despite the fact the Mississippi constitution clearly indicates the state to be open carry, there seems to be a VERY widespread, statewide, ignorance of the law, ESPECIALLY amongst law enforcement. OPEN carry into a governmental building and you WILL be arrested. An empty holster gets their attention, they WILL ask about it, which opens the door for conversation sans the arrest.
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Double_J
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Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2007 12:28 am |
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black frame, blue tank. Hopefully one day the tank will be repainted with a custom job, just need to get with the guy I want to do it.
I only joke about goldwings as my riding partner over in Metarie has an '80 interstate edition that he is trying to get fixed up. I only wish that he could get over here this weekend, but he is a member of a haunted house and has to work. Is there a swap meet or such at this rally? I would like to let him know so that maybe he can make a day trip, or at least I can go window shopping for hard-to-find parts or someone to assist with repairs, and hopefully ride with.
Double J
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mark edward marchiafava
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Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2007 12:36 am |
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If I happen to see such a Kaw, I'll be sure to shake your hand and offer you one of the wife's fruit flavored waters !!! LOL
There are vendors hawking all the usual new stuff and you'll see individuals with odds and ends for sale, too. LOTS of bikes will be for sale at summer's end, as lots of these folks ride the newer models. Me, well, I've been riding the same wing since 83.
If your friend is in need of parts, there are quite a few folks who have accumalated tons of old wings/parts. My friend, Brian, former chapter A director, knows EVERYbody who has ever rode a wing. When we accidently got rusty water with our gasoline and were stranded at sundown in Nowhere, Mississippi, a call to Brian immediately put us in touch with a goldwing couple who showed up in less than an hour and stayed with us for FOUR hours till we got it to crank again. LOL.........I don't care where I go in the country, Brian knows someone who rides a wing within 50 miles.
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ama-gi
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Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 08:36 am |
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Double_J wrote: Maybe we can get together for lunch sometime this weekend and have a "planning session" for our common goal.
Open carrying, I presume? 
How are things going down there? Have ya'll started OCing on a regular basis yet?
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Ed Y
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Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 03:31 pm |
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: A bunch of us Goldwing motorcycle riders will be at the coast coliseum this weekend for the annual rally. I'll open carry and see what happens.
Just curious what happened with this???
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Mike
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Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 03:40 pm |
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I think that open carry in a holster is concealed under MS court holdings, and thus permit holders CAN legally carry in holsters.
However, John and I have "officially"erred for now on caution on the main map page category for MS.
Please do help explore this issue in MS and let us know if we should put MS back to "green," as a licensed OC state.
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Lonnie Wilson
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Posted: Tue Oct 23rd, 2007 06:38 am |
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Well, we do have an some court case law stating that "holster=partial concealment". That's certainly the statement that's been made by the state AG's office. Mark Machiafava may wholeheartedly disagree, and he is welcome to file a lawsuit against the AG in state court.
To me, MS is a "green state".
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mark edward marchiafava
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Posted: Tue Oct 23rd, 2007 02:39 pm |
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| AGAIN: if the AG insists you must have a permit to carry a HOLSTERED weapon, just what is the state constitution babbling about? Just how do you "bear arms" and NOT be guilty of carrying a concealed weapon? Please tell me, inquiring minds want to know.
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