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PhilofMU
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 01:45 am |
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I've been researching all day and can't seem to find anyone that can tell me where I CANNOT open carry in Missouri. I live in Columbia, unfortunately the Berkley of the Midwest, and most of the information on carrying seems to be hidden as deep as possible. I also have family in St. Charles, St. Peters, Lake St. Louis, etc. Does anyone KNOW of a city/county where it is ILLEGAL to open carry?
Also, what constitutes "Open Carry"? Does it have to be totally visible or just so that people can see it? I have a CCW, but it's hard to conceal a full frame .45 during the Summer.
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ComSec
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 03:44 pm |
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from my understanding if you have a CCW you can OC or CC even in cities that prohibit it, can anyone verifiy that
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DKSuddeth
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 04:18 pm |
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| I know that St. Louis of totally off limits for open carry, with or without a license.
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Shadow Walker
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 05:02 pm |
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ComSec wrote:
from my understanding if you have a CCW you can OC or CC even in cities that prohibit it, can anyone verifiy that
My reading of the law is that CC is OK throughout the state, it's OC that is regulated by the local municipalities.
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Shadow Walker
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 05:12 pm |
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PhilofMU wrote:
Also, what constitutes "Open Carry"? Does it have to be totally visible or just so that people can see it? I have a CCW, but it's hard to conceal a full frame .45 during the Summer.
If you are going to invoke your open carry right, you should make sure it's completely visible. Your CCW should keep you out of trouble, but it looks like a grey area. Avoid grey areas.
I'm having the same problem as you trying to find OC info. Half the time the info is not readily available and official sources can be vague on the subject. If I get any info I'll forward it to you.
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 06:34 am |
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Missouri does not have preemption for OC, however, CC is fully preempted. The MO statutes website is down at the moment so I can't provide a link to the exact statute regarding OC but I can tell you it is covered in RsMO 571 which section also includes the off limit areas for CC.
Now, on to OC. Not being preempted the rules vary from place to place. Some cities such as O'Fallon, MO near St. Louis have just lifted the CC language from the state statute, pasted it into the ordinance and made OC and CC subject to the same off limits rules. Other places such as St. Louis City, North Kansas City and Cape Girardeau have complete bans on OC. It really is difficult to find out where you can and cannot OC in MO. Several city's ordinances can be found at:
http://www.municode.com
http://www.bpcnet.com/codes.htm and/or
http://codes.sullivanpublications.com/codes-slp/
As to printing or accidentally exposing your CC firearm, I would think that is another depends where you are thing. That statute just says "concealed" but does not define it. We were taught in my CC class that incidental/accidental exposure is not illegal in MO, however, I would be leery of it in say St Louis City, but unconcerned other places.
If you have a CCW, I can't see that accidentally covering your firearm while OC would be an issue. The worst they could do would be to claim you were CC in which case you are still covered with your CCW. However, as has been mentione throughout the forum, playing "peek-a-boo" with your sidearm is always a bad idea and can be seen as suspicious. Either carry open or carry concealed and try to keep it in which ever state you have chosen.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 07:13 am |
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in kc mo dont carry down town or any entertainment distric ie lots of bars.
i am visiting from oklahoma and i am enjoying being able to use my 2nd amend right in full. cc is good and all but change can be cool.
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Shawn
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:06 am |
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ComSec wrote: from my understanding if you have a CCW you can OC or CC even in cities that prohibit it, can anyone verifiy that
Verified...your wrong. RSMo 21.750 .3
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Shawn
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:08 am |
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nodaywithout wrote: in kc mo dont carry down town or any entertainment distric ie lots of bars.
i am visiting from oklahoma and i am enjoying being able to use my 2nd amend right in full. cc is good and all but change can be cool.
KC is ok for OC. Downtown and all the entertainment districts.
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Shawn
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Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 02:09 am |
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PhilofMU wrote: I've been researching all day and can't seem to find anyone that can tell me where I CANNOT open carry in Missouri. I live in Columbia, unfortunately the Berkley of the Midwest, and most of the information on carrying seems to be hidden as deep as possible. I also have family in St. Charles, St. Peters, Lake St. Louis, etc. Does anyone KNOW of a city/county where it is ILLEGAL to open carry?
Also, what constitutes "Open Carry"? Does it have to be totally visible or just so that people can see it? I have a CCW, but it's hard to conceal a full frame .45 during the Summer.
Deep is putting you on the right track...man he post a lot. Wonder if he has job or not..lol.
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deepdiver
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 08:17 pm |
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Shawn wrote: PhilofMU wrote: I've been researching all day and can't seem to find anyone that can tell me where I CANNOT open carry in Missouri. I live in Columbia, unfortunately the Berkley of the Midwest, and most of the information on carrying seems to be hidden as deep as possible. I also have family in St. Charles, St. Peters, Lake St. Louis, etc. Does anyone KNOW of a city/county where it is ILLEGAL to open carry?
Also, what constitutes "Open Carry"? Does it have to be totally visible or just so that people can see it? I have a CCW, but it's hard to conceal a full frame .45 during the Summer.
Deep is putting you on the right track...man he post a lot. Wonder if he has job or not..lol. I have 3 jobs but business is really slow the last several months so I have had far too much free time at the office and have spent a lot of it here.
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Richieg150
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 12:06 am |
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| If I'm remembering correctly,you can't carry open in any of Cass County.
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 12:53 am |
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hey guys look up kerner vs. state from 1921 it has clear info on open carry in mo, and has not changed as of yet but it is true there are cities that have there own laws on it.
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Shawn
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 01:16 am |
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kb0tpz wrote: hey guys look up kerner vs. state from 1921 it has clear info on open carry in mo, and has not changed as of yet but it is true there are cities that have there own laws on it.
I've not read that one....there is one out of NC that is State vs Kerner...is this the case your talking about? If so, it doesn't apply.
Last edited on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 01:16 am by Shawn
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 03:24 am |
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I do stand corrected I thoaught that that took place here in mo? my bad and just wondering why it does not apply?
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