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9026543
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 09:18 pm |
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| I believe that the campus carry will be stripped either in the House or Senate and the rest of the bill will be a go.
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lancers
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Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 10:46 pm |
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Shawn wrote: Third reading is tomorrow and the on to the Senate!!
http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/cal/calh015.htm
Looks like it is now Tuesday, the 14th, but I thought it did say today.
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Shawn
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 04:27 am |
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lancers wrote: Looks like it is now Tuesday, the 14th, but I thought it did say today.
Yes...hmm...wonder why it didn't get a vote today? Did you see how many voted for this bill on its second reading? AYES 116, NOES 33, Present 0, absent on leave 14. Very nice...can't wait for the 14th!Last edited on Sat Apr 11th, 2009 04:34 am by Shawn
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lancers
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 05:30 am |
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| It gives me time to respond to my rep trying to convince her CCW on campus is a good thing. Appears to be the only thing holding her back.
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nrepuyan
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 02:43 pm |
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with everything being rolled into one bill, what exactly will this mean for all of us as far as preemption goes? ccw permits will no longer be required? open carry feasible without penalties now? I know that one of the goals is to eliminate local ordinances from municipalities, city ord. etc from being able to supersede state law regarding firearms....i think? i've tried to follow as much as possible but am still unsure as to what the all in one bill will mean, if someone could elaborate, that would be much appreciated.
thanks again!
also, as supporters, what are our current courses of action that we can be doing?
Last edited on Sat Apr 11th, 2009 03:43 pm by nrepuyan
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Steelviper
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 03:48 pm |
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nrepuyan wrote: with everything being rolled into one bill, what exactly will this mean for all of us as far as preemption goes? ccw permits will no longer be required? open carry feasible without penalties now? I know that one of the goals is to eliminate local ordinances from municipalities, city ord. etc from being able to supersede state law regarding firearms....i think?
No, we'd still need permits to CCW. The preemption is all about the local ordinances which created a patchwork of legal and illegal places with regards to open carry (which has never required a permit). So if it passes, we will be able to open carry anyplace we'd be allowed to otherwise possess a gun.
The ccw stuff in the bill just pertains to the minimum age and the campus carry clauses.
It's a pretty exciting bill. I'm kinda stunned that it's gotten this far already.
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nrepuyan
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 04:03 pm |
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so really this means that it would make it uniform statewide and override city ordinances that say you can ONLY conceal carry?
CCW permits would only then be needed for....[not sure of what places one would be required if open carry is legal] I know here in st. louis, it's illegal according to city ordinance to open carry a firearm. But I believe that I'm interpreting what you're saying about CCW is that if you choose to conceal carry, then you would still need your CCW, which would be understandable?
what are we all thinking the odds are that this will pass the senate this year....how long do we think this is going to take?
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lancers
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 06:56 pm |
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nrepuyan wrote: so really this means that it would make it uniform statewide and override city ordinances that say you can ONLY conceal carry?
CCW permits would only then be needed for....[not sure of what places one would be required if open carry is legal] I know here in st. louis, it's illegal according to city ordinance to open carry a firearm. But I believe that I'm interpreting what you're saying about CCW is that if you choose to conceal carry, then you would still need your CCW, which would be understandable?
what are we all thinking the odds are that this will pass the senate this year....how long do we think this is going to take?
Yes. It should make all firearms laws by municipalities, cities, and counties null and void with the exception of discharging a firearm not in self defense
If you carry concealed, you'll need a permit. You can carry openly without a permit though.
I'm thinking the odds are looking very good now. I did not expect the house vote to be so huge, especially since all of the firearms bills got put together. I know it still has to make it through the senate, where I like member 9026543, expect something to drop out of it; probably campus carry. I see no reason for open carry not to make it though since everyone is distracted by other parts of the bill.
I don't know exactly how long, but I'd guess less than a month. I believe the bill, if passed, will take effect in late August.
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Mike
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Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2009 05:28 am |
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| the bill got amended to preempt open carry, yes??
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Broondog
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Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2009 05:49 am |
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boy am i late! i just got home from work and found the NRA-ILA notice about this in my inbox. i'm doing a "happy dance" in my chair right now.
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lancers
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Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2009 05:49 am |
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Mike wrote: style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"the bill got amended to preempt open carry, yes??
Yes and it's getting very little attention. Also included to this section of law is allowing cities and counties the ability to block illegal immigrants from owning, transferring, and possessing guns. This was voted yes to be added by all but 3 reps. This means that this part of the bill (open carry) probably won't be messed with any more.
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lancers
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Posted: Tue Apr 14th, 2009 08:11 pm |
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I got another email from my rep, Kratky, again. She is still stuck on college carry.
Thank you so much for all your information you provided. I do respect
your opinion. I have also heard from numerous constituents who do not
feel that guns should be allowed on college campuses. I still feel that
guns should not be allowed on campuses. A couple of my concerns:
drinking in frat houses and guns; guns allowed to 21 years and older
(what about the others?)
Sincerely,
Michele Kratky
State Representative 65th District1
I wrote her back again even though I don't think it will much matter. She doesn't realize most Frat houses are off-campus already like at my school, UMSL.
I always just mean to write a paragraph, but end up writing a page or so. There is just so much overwhelming evidence I can't stop typing. I left off my response with...
"I just ask that you give lawful citizens, which Missouri has already determined by issuing the permit, another option besides hiding under a desk and waiting for their turn to be executed. I hope if this bill does not pass, that no shooter comes onto campus and takes advantage of the thousands of unprotected victims like they have done in so many other states."
If they do, I'll be sure to remind her of her vote.
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lancers
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Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 04:05 am |
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So what happened today with the bill? I don't see anything on the calendar about 668.
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nrepuyan
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Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 04:23 pm |
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lancers wrote: I got another email from my rep, Kratky, again. She is still stuck on college carry.
Thank you so much for all your information you provided. I do respect
your opinion. I have also heard from numerous constituents who do not
feel that guns should be allowed on college campuses. I still feel that
guns should not be allowed on campuses. A couple of my concerns:
drinking in frat houses and guns; guns allowed to 21 years and older
(what about the others?)
Sincerely,
Michele Kratky
State Representative 65th District1
I wrote her back again even though I don't think it will much matter. She doesn't realize most Frat houses are off-campus already like at my school, UMSL.
I always just mean to write a paragraph, but end up writing a page or so. There is just so much overwhelming evidence I can't stop typing. I left off my response with...
"I just ask that you give lawful citizens, which Missouri has already determined by issuing the permit, another option besides hiding under a desk and waiting for their turn to be executed. I hope if this bill does not pass, that no shooter comes onto campus and takes advantage of the thousands of unprotected victims like they have done in so many other states."
If they do, I'll be sure to remind her of her vote.
As I stated to a few coworkers of mine and some others that don't agree with the idea of college carry...my opinion is this....
When thinking about college carry concealed....
let's look at how much you have to go thru to obtain the permit to begin with...
quite a bit of stuff... 8hr class....125-150 for the class.....gotta buy the gun....then you gotta pay another 75-150 to apply for the permit....which involves going many different places?
it's my theory that most college kids being college kids are not going to be responsible/mature/motivated enough to go thru ALL of the steps....i mean seriously....take a look at some of the people you went to school with or went to college with.....how many of them actually wanted to go out of their way SPEND money on and take ANOTHER class and then wait for a permit?
not sure about you, but most people i knew of from age 21-25 you couldn't even motivate enough to do homework, get their books for classes or get the correct parking permit for that matter let alone expect them to know about or even go thru the process for CCW.
Therefore I believe that those responsible law biding citizens that wish to carry will and a majority of the students won't...and the students who do choose to carry will most likely be the older students / grad students possibly...ones that have demonstrated themselves to be adults.
anyone elses thoughts? i myself, am only 23....24 in july but this is truely what i believe on the CCW on campus. I don't honestly believe that it has anything to do with students whatsoever....it's just an easy excuse to use if you feel you are too far on one side of the fence or the other.
also....as stated in the above post....did anything happen on the 14th???
Last edited on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 04:24 pm by nrepuyan
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lancers
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Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 06:17 pm |
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| Looks like it's on the calendar for today, Wednesday the 15th now. Not sure what happened yesterday or if it's a good or bad thing. Last edited on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 06:18 pm by lancers
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nrepuyan
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Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 06:34 pm |
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::fingers crossed::
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Broondog
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 05:54 pm |
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it looks like nothing new has happened so far with this bill, at least as far as i can see.
but i contacted Senator Engler about supporting this bill if and when it makes it to the Senate and he assured me that he would. my Rep, who is Fallert, is as Dem as they come. talking to him is like talking to a brick wall.
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lancers
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 11:26 pm |
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Is now on the calendar for FIFTY-SIXTH DAY, THURSDAY, APRIL 16, 2009
Starting to scare me.
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showmerancher
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 11:40 pm |
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Third read was today and passed (H)
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Broondog
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Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 11:44 pm |
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the NRA-ILA Alert i just got says it passed the House.
quote from email....
[size=Missouri][size=: Castle Doctrine Expansion Bill Needs Your Help!
]House Bill 668, sponsored by State Representative Kenny Jones (R-117).
This important legislation would expand Missouri’s Castle Doctrine to now include your private property boundaries. HB668 would also lower the Right-to-Carry minimum age requirement from 23 to 21, prevent municipalities from regulating your possession of a firearm, and expand the number of places a Right-to-Carry permit holder could carry concealed.
Please contact your State Representative TODAY and thank them for supporting HB66. Contact information can be found here.
end quote......
now it's on to the Senate. Engler says he's on board. get with your Senators and lets get this one thru this time!
Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 11:49 pm by Broondog
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