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patriotthad
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 09:02 pm |
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| Don't rely on the fact that you asked a cop. Go to city hall and look at the ordinance. Many cops do not know the law. I know this due to the fact that a local cop said he would arrest a man for OC. When I called the city prosecutor, he asked who had told me that and stated that if a person was arrested for OC that would be in violation of their rights.
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Sorrows
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 11:01 pm |
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| I planned on talking to the Sheriff's department first, and then double checking at the courthouse.
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patriotthad
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 02:26 am |
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Good idea. Always get names, date, badge# ect. Remember, even though you check at the court house (state statute or county ordinance) the city may be different. Also you can get an out of state concealed carry permit at an age different than MO and MO will honor it
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Sorrows
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 09:07 pm |
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| Really? I may do that.
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XD45SWMo
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 03:11 am |
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| Still need to ad Neosho to the ok to OC column at the next update.
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Broondog
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 06:33 am |
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add Park Hills, MO to the No-Go list.
email sent.
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Sorrows
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 06:36 am |
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| So, for the Open Carry, you don't need the Conceal and Carry permit do you?
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HYRYSC
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 04:10 pm |
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Sorrows wrote: So, for the Open Carry, you don't need the Conceal and Carry permit do you?
Depends on the area. In my AO, Fair Grove requires a concealed carry permit to carry open, but Springfield does not. You can find most area ordinances here
http://codes.sullivanpublications.com/codes-slp/
or call the city hall in the area in question and ask them to read you the ordinance, or better yet, go look at them yourself and make copies.
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Broondog
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 04:15 am |
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looks like Desoto and Perryville can be added to the OK to OC list.
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Broondog
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 04:49 am |
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please correct me if i am wrong, but i think OC is illegal in Crystal City ( i had always thought so) yet it's on the OK list.
i was fixin to print the code out to carry in my truck in the event it was needed when i re-re-read it. dig this....
http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10306&sid=25
Sec. 17-94. Firearms and other weapons; carrying, exhibiting, selling to minors, exceptions. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person(s) to carry concealed on or about his person a dangerous or deadly weapon of any kind or description; nor shall any person or persons enter into any church or place where people have assembled for religious worship, or into any schoolroom or place where people are assembled for educational, political, literary or social purposes, or to any election precinct on any election day, or into any courtroom during the sitting of court, or into any other public assemblage of persons met for any lawful purpose other than for militia drill, or meetings called under militia law of this state, having on or about his person, concealed or exposed, any kind of firearms, bowie knife, springback knife, razor, metal knuks, billy, sword, cane, dirk, dagger, slingshot or other similar deadly weapon.
at first it says just concealed but then after a bunch of "or's" and commas and such, they throw in 'exposed'.
am i reading this too hard or am i reading that OC is really illegal?
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ComSec
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 05:04 am |
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Your reading to much into it- that just relates to Gov building and schools and such.
Note: sorry for the delay in update been busy, building websites.
Update should be up this weekend, thanks for all the help guys
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Broondog
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 05:29 am |
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ComSec wrote: Your reading to much into it- that just relates to Gov building and schools and such.
Note: sorry for the delay in update been busy, building websites.
Update should be up this weekend, thanks for all the help guys
i will put Crystal City to the test tomorrow. at the worst it should only be a misdemeanor anyway. 
EDIT!
ooops, i read Desoto wrong, or just read the part i wanted to see.
http://www.desotomo.com/City%20Code/Title%202.pdf
SECTION 215.240: WEAPONS -- CARRYING CONCEALED -- OTHER UNLAWFUL
USE
A. A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons if he/she knowingly:
1. Carries concealed upon or about his/her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other
weapon readily capable of lethal use;
2. Discharges or shoots a firearm within the City limits;
3. Possesses a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated;
**** look at #4
4. Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or
5. Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of
lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or
activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.
B. S ubparagraphs (1), (2), (4) and (5) of Subsection (A) of this Section shall not apply
Last edited on Thu Sep 17th, 2009 05:37 am by Broondog
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patriotthad
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 03:21 pm |
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Looks like Desoto is off limits. WE NEED A PREEMTIVE LAW!!
It's interesting that that MO law RSMO 304.010 provides for defense of speeding citations if you are not a resident of the county, but no defense if you didn't know what the local law is on OC?
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patriotthad
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 03:21 pm |
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Looks like Desoto is off limits. WE NEED A PREEMTIVE LAW!!
It's interesting that that MO law RSMO 304.010 provides for defense of speeding citations if you are not a resident of the county, but no defense if you didn't know what the local law is on OC?
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HYRYSC
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 07:28 pm |
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Broondog wrote: ComSec wrote: Your reading to much into it- that just relates to Gov building and schools and such.
Note: sorry for the delay in update been busy, building websites.
Update should be up this weekend, thanks for all the help guys
i will put Crystal City to the test tomorrow. at the worst it should only be a misdemeanor anyway.
EDIT!
ooops, i read Desoto wrong, or just read the part i wanted to see.
http://www.desotomo.com/City%20Code/Title%202.pdf
SECTION 215.240: WEAPONS -- CARRYING CONCEALED -- OTHER UNLAWFUL
USE
A. A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons if he/she knowingly:
1. Carries concealed upon or about his/her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other
weapon readily capable of lethal use;
2. Discharges or shoots a firearm within the City limits;
3. Possesses a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated;
**** look at #4
4. Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or
5. Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of
lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or
activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.
B. S ubparagraphs (1), (2), (4) and (5) of Subsection (A) of this Section shall not apply
I am not for certain, but the DeSoto laws look a bit outdated as I read the link you attached, it shows that carrying concealed is illegal, but does not give any exception for a concealed carry permit (which, in some instances, also excepts the person from OC being illegal.
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cobbconstruction
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 02:15 am |
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| Hey ComSec, on your list of cities that don't allow oc you have Belton and I can't find proof. I always thought it was legal and so do some of the LEOs I talk to.. I just searched and couldnt find it to be illegal http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10412&sid=25
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ComSec
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 02:25 am |
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this one through me but this is what I read,
Sec. 15-116. Possession. No person shall have in his possession except within his own domicile, or carry or use, a revolver or pistol of any description, shotgun, or rifle which may be used for the explosion of cartridges, or any air gun, "B-B" gun, gas-operated gun, or spring gun, or any instrument, toy or weapon commonly known as a "peashooter," "sling shot," or "beany," or any bow made for the purpose of throwing or projecting missiles of any kind by any means whatsoever, whether such instrument is called by any name set forth above or by any other name.
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 02:31 am |
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| That was quick! I found that too, it just took more reading. I searched firearms, first, then gun, then I found it with carrying...
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 02:33 am |
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| That sucks... I always thought it was legal. I wish HB 668 would have gone through...
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ComSec
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 02:34 am |
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it is probley not even really know but if you get a cop with a stick in there butt for you, then could nail you
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