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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 09:01 pm |
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Now, finally most everyone admits is illegal to carry in the parking lot of the Post Office.
Now, spend the same amount of time you did on these posts, write your Senators and Representatives in WDC like I have already done today - along with the NRA, GOA, SAF, CCRKBA, and SAS - let's get the law/rules changed, to make it legal instead of illegal then later go for carrying inside the Post Office in accordance with State law.
Start the Grass Roots movement now.
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40s-and-wfan
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 09:41 pm |
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Okay, now I've reached the point of confusion. I've gotten off the phone with a few different Federal Agencies that I have friends with and have now determined that I'm thoroughly confused. None of the federal agencies that I've discussed this topic with seem to know which side is up. They all have varying thoughts and opinions about what is allowed and what isn't, so I'm waiting for a call from the ATFE to see what they have to say about it!!
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MT GUNNY
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 11:14 pm |
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Let us know what they say 40 s&w!
Now the Million dollar ? Who could Enforce the Federal law at a Post office in a Particular State?
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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 11:18 pm |
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The elected representatives of we the people are the at the federal level are Senators and Representatives, not career agency employees.
Unless it is in writing and from the U.S. Postal Service - Postmaster General or Chief of the Postal Inspectors, it means nothing expect from our Senators and Representatives.
I am 99.99% sure it is illegal, which means we need a change in laws and rules for the people not against the people.
Write your Senators and Representatives, let them know your opinion and the WHY !
Tell them we only need the Second Amendment and elected representatives should make laws and rules not employee agency people.
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40s-and-wfan
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 01:00 am |
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The following is what I was directed to by my ATFE friend. He just called me
back regarding this. And here I thought Federal Agents worked Banker's Hours,
guess I was wrong!!
He told me that pursuant to the following code, it is illegal to carry on
Postal Service property. Whether it gets enforced, like in a state such as
Montana, is totally and completely up to the Postal Inspector if there happens
to be one on-scene at that moment!
According to the Feds I've spoken with, more often than not, the Postal
Inspector will more than likely look the other way, depending on the
circumstances at the moment! If you're already a convicted felon, you might
not be able to get away with it. If you're someone who's fairly Law-Abiding,
and has never committed a crime at all (like our president for instance  ) then
they probably won't hassle you about it at all!!
TITLE 39--POSTAL SERVICE
CHAPTER I--UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE
PART 232--CONDUCT ON POSTAL PROPERTY--Table of Contents
Sec. 232.1 Conduct on postal property.
(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may
carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either
openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for
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Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 01:03 am by 40s-and-wfan
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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 07:08 pm |
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Which means many of you are in direction violation of federal law, that you have not been charged means these federal employees have been failing to do their jobs, a waste of our taxes paying for their silver spoon in their mouths while riding the federal gravy train.
Therefore the law needs to be changed. Write your Senators and Representatives in WDC (every Voting Armed Real True American Citizen across the USA).
Those who fail to write with pen and paper, cannot be depended on to protect this country with Arms, apathy and cowardice abounds across the land for the last 50 to 100 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Y3SMMrVJs&feature=related
the words "FREEDOM", "RIGHTS", "COWARD SECURITY"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaPA8fGeRUc&feature=related
the words "REPUBLIC", "PEOPLE", "RIGHT", and "WRONG"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aEg28n4IRU&NR=1
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NavyLT
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:12 pm |
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IDAHO COWBOY wrote: Those who fail to write with pen and paper, cannot be depended on to protect this country with Arms, apathy and cowardice abounds across the land for the last 50 to 100 years.
No, I've just served in the service of the military for 20 years.
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:50 pm |
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40s-and-wfan wrote: Maybe your statement holds true in Washington, but not here in Montana. In our fair state here, you cannot carry concealed inside a financial institution ... You can however carry openly in said locations unless someone at that facility asks you to leave!!
Gotta protect the crooks. Kinda like the Sullivan law (1911 NY). Sponsor "Big Tim" Sullivan reputedly desired the law so that his criminal cohorts could go about their activities unimpeded by citizens defending themselves with concealed handguns.
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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 01:42 am |
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LTNAVY 20 years, we Thank you for your govt service.
Mine was 25 years, 45 countries, over 10 years in combat zones - boots in the sand and mud, with all branches of US, NATO, and UN.
Just because we served in the military does not relieve us of our duty as Citizens, to vote, to voice our opinion for other Citizens, and to write/call/e-mail our Senators and Representatives, and other elected/appointed employees at the federal, state, etc levels when whatever violates any part of the U.S. Constitution, including the Second Amendment, we swore to protect and defend against all enemies both foreign and domestic.
As far as the words in the 3 short videos go, I honor every word John Wayne said, I have always tried to live up to those words.
As far as what I wrote, I standby that word for word:
Those who fail to write with pen and paper, cannot be depended on to protect this country with Arms, apathy and cowardice abounds across the land for the last 50 to 100 years.
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NavyLT
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 01:58 am |
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I.C, That's why I open carry 99% of the time.
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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 05:47 pm |
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40s-and-wfan wrote: WRONG. Maybe your statement holds true in Washington, but not here in Montana. In our fair state here, you cannot carry concealed inside a financial institution or in a place where alcohol is dispensed, sold and consumed in the same room, aka a bar. You can however carry openly in said locations unless someone at that facility asks you to leave!!
The above is 100% true.
Montana passed a new law (HB 228) in the Winter/Spring 2009, which was suppose to allow these carry locations with concealment, but a few County Sheriffs and Count Attorneys in Yellowstone and Lincoln Counties along with the Montana Sheriff and Peace Officer Association "Lobbyist (Hired Gun) (maybe from out of state - does not live in Montana ???)" basically lied at worst / distorted the truth by saying there was a federal law against carrying is banks etc which there is not and whinning like children about all the gunfights that would happen in bars and eating establishments, the blood would run in the streets - kind of BS.
I have suggested to JB Montana, MT Gunny, and 40s-and-fan, since they are the most vocal on the Montana section of this forum, to start an e-mail, letter writing, phone calling campaign to prepare for Winter/Spring 2011 (the next time the legislators meet in Helena,MT) and to now encourage the Governor and Attorney General of Montana to take action against these Sheriffs and Attorneys along with their Lobbyist for misrepresentation of the facts and misusing the power of their offices along with reimbursement to the counties for any salary or expense money they may have received for these actions.
In addition contact for everyone across the USA, to contact their Senators and Representatives to pass a law to allow carry both inside and outside of Post Offices in public areas - in accordance with state law - parking, buying stamps, mailing mail, and picking up mail. I have already done my part on this and more - I am sure the Senators and Representatives I contacted will the contacting the USPS then USPS will be sending out notices to all Post Offices across the country to enforce the law in the parking lots too, so what you may have gotten by with in the past probably will not be allowed in the future. I sent the Senators and Representatives which I am sure they will give to the USPS - 4 web sites including this web site with this chatter on it, so I would be surprised if the Kalispell Post Office did not start enforcing the law in the near future.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/Concealed-carry-in-a-post-office-may-lead-to-rude-awakening
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5699102#post5699102
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum34/27498.html
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/carrying-a-gun-into-a-post-office/
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Which means many of you are in direction violation of federal law, that you have not been charged means these federal employees have been failing to do their jobs, a waste of our taxes paying for their silver spoon in their mouths while riding the federal gravy train.
Therefore the law needs to be changed. Write your Senators and Representatives in WDC (every Voting Armed Real True American Citizen across the USA).
Those who fail to write with pen and paper, cannot be depended on to protect this country with Arms, apathy and cowardice abounds across the land for the last 50 to 100 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Y3SMMrVJs&feature=related
the words "FREEDOM", "RIGHTS", "COWARD SECURITY"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaPA8fGeRUc&feature=related
the words "REPUBLIC", "PEOPLE", "RIGHT", and "WRONG"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aEg28n4IRU&NR=1
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40s-and-wfan
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 06:30 pm |
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IC, keep in mind that although this statement is true, it was true long before the signing/passing of HB-228. Montana Attorney General has stated this to me in more than a few telephone conversations. These conversations took place long before the bill passed!
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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 09:59 pm |
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40s-and-wfan wrote: IC, keep in mind that although this statement is true, it was true long before the signing/passing of HB-228. Montana Attorney General has stated this to me in more than a few telephone conversations. These conversations took place long before the bill passed!
The above is correct but it was unwritten tradition and was not against the law but some Peace Officers and Govt Attorney's chose on their own to thumb their noses, arrest / charge / whatever people with distrubing the peace or some such crapola, therefore HB 228 was introduced and passed then made law.
Heck of a note, we have to pass laws to give let the govt give us permission to do stuff already in the Constitution.
Which changes nothing as far as the USPS property goes, the onus is still upon the people to change the law through Congress, the elected representatives of we the people.
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MT GUNNY
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 11:08 pm |
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| We first have to get ahold of Gary Marbut, He is the Key to any Future Legislation!
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