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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 03:36 pm |
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This is OUTSTANDING ! The way it should be - OPEN or CONCEALED CARRY of handguns, rifles, and shotguns in NATIONAL PARKS in Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho except in FEDERAL BUILDINGS. Now we need to change this, who paid for the federal buildings - we the taxpayers - why should we not be allowed to carry in FEDERAL BUILDINGS - there is NO reason why - therefore we should be able to carry (open or concealed) in FEDERAL BUILDINGS except for Commies, Nazis, and Fascist people and thinking who think we should not. We need to change this - we will change this. No Agency should be able to make rules and regulations that infringe upon People Rights - the U.S. Constitution hence the Bill of Rights hence the Second Amendment, nor should Congress be able to pass laws to do so either.
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=5202&CFID=12868952&CFTOKEN=ad5dbde48858166d-7CB79455-1D09-2FD4-73590E7CFFED35E1
Officials say a law signed by President Obama in May will allow gun owners to openly carry firearms in Grand Teton and the Wyoming portions of Yellowstone when the law goes into effect in February.
Several National Park Service employees and legal experts who interpreted the legislation say it extends to all, not just those with concealed weapons permits. When U.S. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., attached a rider to a credit card reform bill earlier this year, almost all reports indicated it applied to concealed weapons only.
While federal officials are trying to figure out the nuances of the law to develop guidance for park rangers, one said there appears to be little question that toting firearms openly will be allowed, depending on the law of the state in which the park is located. Since Wyoming does not require a permit to openly carry weapons, visitors would be able to pack heat in plain view of the public while in Yellowstone and Grand Teton national parks.
The interpretation raises the possibility that those who tread the shores of Jenny Lake and the boardwalks of Old Faithful could brandish rifles and sidearms. For conservation groups and rangers, the specter looms of backcountry travelers arming themselves for self-defense and poachers wandering the woods with impunity.
“If, in Wyoming, it says you can walk down the street with a firearm strapped to your waist, it’s legal [in Grand Teton and Yellowstone],” said Phil Selleck, chief of regulations and special park uses for the Park Service. He made his comments in a telephone interview from Washington, D.C., after being asked to explain the new legislation.
“If the state law doesn’t require a permit, then a permit is not required,” Selleck said.
At Grand Teton National Park headquarters in Moose, spokeswoman Jackie Skaggs said it’s a common misconception that the new guns in parks law only applies to concealed weapons. During the Bush administration, gun advocates pushed a repeal of the firearm prohibition in national parks, succeeding only in obtaining an administrative rule allowing some permitted concealed weapons.
That concealed-weapons rule was overturned in court. Coburn’s rider was much more lenient, although it has not been reported as such.
“Everyone assumed that it’s the concealed weapons permit holders that will able allowed to carry,” Skaggs said. “It’s broader than that now.”
Kent Spence, a trial lawyer and partner at the Spence Law Firm, agreed with the interpretation that most park visitors will be allowed to openly carry weapons.
“As long as they don’t have any legal problems pending, there’s no reason why they can’t come into Wyoming and into the park as long as it’s in plain view,” he said.
Spence supports the new law.
“I’ve always felt a little uncomfortable in bear country in a national park not being able to carry a gun while camping,” he said. “I still think that the best line of defense is pepper spray, but if that’s not working, it’s nice to know that you have a bear gun with you.”
Skaggs said Grand Teton law enforcement officers will be ready when the law goes into effect Feb. 22.
“We’re prepared to implement the laws that are passed by Congress and signed into law by the president,” she said. “Our understanding is, the state regulations for an ordinary citizen in the state of Wyoming will apply to national parklands.”
However, Skaggs said some rules do differ in the park compared to the rest of the state.
“They cannot use it or display it in a threatening manner, and they cannot discharge it unless their personal safety is in question,” she said.
Spence said what’s good in Wyoming should be good in Yellowstone.
“I think the law is good because, why should it be any different just because we crossed the boundary into a national park when we’re still in Wyoming?” he said.
Bryan Faehner, associate director for park uses with the National Parks Conservation Association, said he’s concerned.
“We, all along, have felt that the [1983 Reagan administration] regulation that is still in place is working just fine,” he said. “Parks are some of the safest places in the country.
“[With the new law] people could be walking around possibly carrying a rifle,” Faehner said. “That changes the dynamics of the park experience.”
In addition to the potential for an increase in violent crimes in parks, Faehner said he’s worried about what the new gun law means for wildlife.
“It’s going to be very interesting to see how it all plays out in terms of poaching,” he said. “I think there are individuals who could be getting a lot closer to wildlife.”
“Having a firearm gives some people a false sense of security,” Faehner said. “That’s not to say that all firearm owners are like that, but there are going to be some people who push the envelope.”
Louise Lasley, public lands director for the Jackson Hole Conservation Alliance, said her organization also opposes the change.
“The Jackson Hole Conservation Alliance has, since this proposal was first initiated, been concerned for human safety and wildlife protection and how to resolve jurisdictional complexity in places like Yellowstone,” she said.
Coburn attached the rider to a credit card reform bill earlier this year. The law will allow people, including those with concealed weapons permits, to carry weapons in parks provided the state in which the park resides recognizes the permit. The law also applies to the National Wildlife Refuge System.
States such as Massachusetts and New York have stricter gun laws that require permits for the sale and possession of firearms. Park rules in those states would mimic state laws.
With the new law, people in national parks will not be allowed to carry weapons, concealed or otherwise, in federal buildings.
Selleck said the law could be tricky to observe in parks that cross state lines such as Yellowstone – which covers parts of Wyoming, Idaho and Montana – and Death Valley, which is in Nevada and California. Each state might have a different law regarding firearms and those would be reflected in park regulations.
“If you’re in Yellowstone, you have to know whether you’re standing in Wyoming, Idaho or Montana,” he said. “Please, please, please, if you’re going to travel with a firearm, know the laws. Know what you should be doing and what you can’t do. That way you won’t be disappointed.”
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Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2009 03:55 pm |
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And you think Montana is a free state?
However, Skaggs said some rules do differ in the park compared to the rest of the state.
“They cannot use it or display it in a threatening manner, and they cannot discharge it unless their personal safety is in question,” she said.
Sounds like, according to Skaggs, in Wyoming, outside of the National Park it's legal to display AND threaten with a firearm and discharge it when you want to!
Yee Haw! Go cowboys!
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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 11:03 pm |
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[url=http://laws.leg.mt.gov/laws09/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_BLTP_BILL_TYP_CD=&P_BILL_NO=&P_BILL_DFT_NO=LC0672&Z_ACTION=Find&P_SBJ_DESCR=&P_SBJT_SBJ_CD=&P_LST_NM1=&P_ENTY_ID_SEQ]http://laws.leg.mt.gov/laws09/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_BLTP_BILL_TYP_CD=&P_BILL_NO=&P_BILL_DFT_NO=LC0672&Z_ACTION=Find&P_SBJ_DESCR=&P_SBJT_SBJ_CD=&P_LST_NM1=&P_ENTY_ID_SEQ[/url]=
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billpdf/HB0228.pdf
LT NAVY read these two links on Montana
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MountainGator
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 10:02 pm |
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MT is a VERY OC State, so if you're in MY favorite part of YNP, and you meet up with a guy with a Blackhawk on his belt, a Winchester '94 Trapper on his sholder & a S&W 460V in a sholder holster y'all will know it's MountainGator!  Last edited on Tue Nov 17th, 2009 06:18 pm by MountainGator
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Gunslinger
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Posted: Sun Nov 15th, 2009 05:44 pm |
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MountainGator wrote: MT is a VERY OC State, so if you're in MY favorite part of YNP, and you meet up with a guy with a Blackhawk on his belt, a Winchester '94 Trapper on his sholder & a S&W 460V in a sholder holster y'all will know it MountainGator!
I take it you leave the M-203 in the car...Last edited on Sun Nov 15th, 2009 05:47 pm by Gunslinger
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JBinMontana
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 03:06 pm |
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Me thinks open or concealed is a good thing. What I mean is, on a rainy cold day, I have an option to carry concealed and is no problem under conditions of the weather. But on those hot days where a coat or even light rain covering is just not weather condusive because is flat out hot open carry is the best option.
When in the outdoors in bear country this is what I use:
http://www.alaskasportsmanproducts.com/
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MountainGator
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 06:20 pm |
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Gunslinger wrote: MountainGator wrote: MT is a VERY OC State, so if you're in MY favorite part of YNP, and you meet up with a guy with a Blackhawk on his belt, a Winchester '94 Trapper on his sholder & a S&W 460V in a sholder holster y'all will know it MountainGator!
I take it you leave the M-203 in the car...
Ahhh, that'd be Truck 
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MountainGator
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 06:43 pm |
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IDAHO COWBOY wrote: Selleck said the law could be tricky to observe in parks that cross state lines such as Yellowstone – which covers parts of Wyoming, Idaho and Montana – and Death Valley, which is in Nevada and California. Each state might have a different law regarding firearms and those would be reflected in park regulations.
“If you’re in Yellowstone, you have to know whether you’re standing in Wyoming, Idaho or Montana,” he said. “Please, please, please, if you’re going to travel with a firearm, know the laws. Know what you should be doing and what you can’t do. That way you won’t be disappointed.”
For any of you that don't know, No Permit is required for Concealed Carry in Montana, outside of the 'city limits', so CCW is legal without a permit in all of the MT portion of YNP and GNP (come 2/22).
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MT GUNNY
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2009 11:47 pm |
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Quote; (come 2/22).
What do you mean here? It has been that way for some time now, CCW outside city limits without permit.
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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 02:17 am |
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| I "think" me means 2/22 = 22 FEB 2010 - date for allowing carrying in Natl Park IAW State law where the Natl Park is located.
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MT GUNNY
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Posted: Wed Nov 18th, 2009 05:40 pm |
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Ok Got ya!
I'm looking forward to this change. It just makes Travel so much easier, especially for hunters on Hwy's going through parks.
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