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Hopalong
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 11:15 pm |
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Varminter - thanx for the info - seems I've been given some Ca Ca del toro from some supposedly smart sumbiches! Perhaps your setting me straight and sending me the NRS stuff will prevent me from learning how to make license plates!
I may have to go back downtown and deal with those axxholes at metro!
Thanx again!
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Vegassteve
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 12:01 am |
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Hopalong wrote: Varminter - thanx for the info - seems I've been given some Ca Ca del toro from some supposedly smart sumbiches! Perhaps your setting me straight and sending me the NRS stuff will prevent me from learning how to make license plates!
I may have to go back downtown and deal with those axxholes at metro!
Thanx again!
Again you have bad info. You dont have to go downtown. You go to the fingerprint service which is not downtown.
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Hopalong
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 12:18 am |
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Maximus - Received you message and the NRS cite. After 35 years of dealing with such things I just glanced over it and accepted it. However here in mesquite its too damn hot to go outside so I decided to take a look at it.
Here is my analysis: (My comments in yellow)
NRS 202.3688 Circumstances in which holder of permit issued by another state may carry concealed firearm in this State; holder of permit issued by another state subject to same restrictions and requirements as holder of permit issued in this State. This says that a person with a permit issued by another state must comply with the same restrictions as with a permit issued in Nevada
1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 2, a person who possesses a permit to carry a concealed firearm that was issued by a state included in the list prepared pursuant to [size=NRS 202.3689] may carry a concealed firearm in this State in accordance with the requirements set forth in [size=NRS 202.3653] to [size=202.369], inclusive. This says that except for article 2 below said person referred to in the title paragraph above can carry concealed as though they were possessors of a NV permit issued pursuant to NRS 202.3689.
2. A person who possesses a permit to carry a concealed firearm that was issued by a state included in the list prepared pursuant to [size=NRS 202.3689] may not carry a concealed firearm in this State if the person:
(a) Becomes a resident of this State; and
This says that a person that was a resident of another state and obtained a permit in that state cannot (then) become a resident of Nevada. It doesn’t address an existing resident of NV obtaining such a permit while a resident.
(b) Has not been issued a permit from the sheriff of the county in which he resides within 60 days after becoming a resident of this State. This says that whereupon becoming a resident of the state of NV the person with the out of state permit must within 60 days obtain a permit from the sheriff of the county where they reside. [size=
] 3. A person who carries a concealed firearm pursuant to this section is subject to the same legal restrictions and requirements imposed upon a person who has been issued a permit by a sheriff in this State. This says that “holder of permit issued by another state” (per title paragraph above) is subject to the same NRS restrictions as does a NV citizen holding a CCW permit issued pursuant to [size=NRS 202.3653] to [size=202.369], inclusive
(Added to NRS by [size=2007, 3150])
Hopefully my highly paid atty friend will be in his office on the morrow and I'll run this by him. But without an exhaustive search of the NRS it looks quite clear to me.
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varminter22
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 12:39 am |
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Hop,
Please let us know what your attorney says.
As much as I hate it, my interpretation is in opposition to your interpretation.
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Loneviking
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 03:18 am |
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varminter22 wrote: Hop,
Please let us know what your attorney says.
As much as I hate it, my interpretation is in opposition to your interpretation.
I'd be curious as well. I would not agree with the interpretation that a Nev. resident can carry concealed on a Utah permit.
If you lived out of state, obtained a Utah permit, then moved to Nevada, you would have sixty days to obtain your Nevada permit---during which time, presumably, you could carry conceal.
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Hopalong
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 05:43 pm |
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Haven't been able to get in touch w/atty as yet, but I did go down to the home of Mesquite's finest and talked with a couple of the officers.
The short answer is: Yes the UT Concealed Firearm Permit is honored by NV for a Citizen of NV. Their interp of 202.3688 is pretty much what I posted last nite. Both told me I was legal with the UT permit carrying concealed in NV.
However, DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT!
If you're still in doubt get a reading from some one in authority as to the wording/interp of 202.3688.
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varminter22
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 07:52 pm |
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I hope you're right, but I darned sure would want confirmation.
It just doesn't make sense.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 08:00 pm |
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Legislative intent comes into play when the question of what a law means has to be dealt with in court. I think you would have a very hard time convincing a jury that the intention of the law was not, "make sure NV residents follow NV law and a get a NV permit."
Rather it was to deal with some edge-case where someone who is a resident of UT with a UT permit moves to NV and has to get a NV permit instead of UT, while their next door neighbor, who was never a UT resident, has a UT permit but no NV permit and that is valid.
Good luck with that.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 02:04 am |
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Here is a web site that is one of the best at training for permits. Look it up and check out the faqs and ask them about the validity of the deal.
http://www.semperfirearms.com/Reciprocity_Explained.htm
A quick check today out at the Oasis gun club showed that several of the regulars have had a UT permit for some time - even those that have a NV permit. One guy and his wife took the course a week or so ago and said that out of 19 in the class, 8 were from NV and 2 from Calif!
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varminter22
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 02:37 am |
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Hopalong wrote: Here is a web site that is one of the best at training for permits. Look it up and check out the faqs and ask them about the validity of the deal.
http://www.semperfirearms.com/Reciprocity_Explained.htm
A quick check today out at the Oasis gun club showed that several of the regulars have had a UT permit for some time - even those that have a NV permit. One guy and his wife took the course a week or so ago and said that out of 19 in the class, 8 were from NV and 2 from Calif!
I would still want confirmation.
I continue to opine that IF you're a Nevada resident, you can only CCW in Nevada with a valid Nevada CCW permit.
I almost hope I'm wrong. Feel free to point out confirmation.
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bobernet
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 02:44 am |
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Hopalong wrote: Here is a web site that is one of the best at training for permits. Look it up and check out the faqs and ask them about the validity of the deal.
http://www.semperfirearms.com/Reciprocity_Explained.htm
I don't need to ask them, I can read the law and the way similar laws are interpreted across the country. Besides, I have a NV permit, so it's a non-issue.
A quick check today out at the Oasis gun club showed that several of the regulars have had a UT permit for some time - even those that have a NV permit. One guy and his wife took the course a week or so ago and said that out of 19 in the class, 8 were from NV and 2 from Calif!
That isn't news to anyone. I have both an NV and a UT permit. I got UT for the reciprocity with other states that don't recognize NV's.
The point at issue is not people in NV getting UT non-resident permits for use in states that honor UT. The point is people getting a UT permit and trying to use it in their home state, in lieu of complying with state law where they live.
You can do whatever you want; it doesn't affect me either way. But you're going to be in a very bad position if an LEO/DA decides to bring charges for carry concealed without a permit. And remember, in NV, that's not a petty offense. Gross misdemeanor the first time and a class D felony after that.
Not a smart move.
Edited to add:
This is from SB237 (Nevada's reciprocity bill):
Legislative Counsel’s Digest:
1 Existing law allows a person who is not a resident of the State of Nevada to apply to the sheriff of any county in this State for a permit to carry a concealed firearm in this State. (NRS 3 202.3657) Section 2 of this bill allows a person who is not a resident of this State to carry a concealed firearm in this State if the person has a permit to carry a concealed firearm issued by a state included in the list prepared by the Department of Public Safety pursuant to section 6 of this bill.
Note carefully the language in bold. The legislative intent is clear. You will almost definitely lose if a charge were to go to court.
Do yourself a favor and take the couple hours out of your day to get a NV permit. If you choose not to, I wouldn't flaunt it on a public forum.
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varminter22
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 03:40 am |
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 03:52 am |
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bobernet wrote: And remember, in NV, that's not a petty offense. Gross misdemeanor the first time and a class D felony after that.
No... it is a Class C felony.
Per NRS 202.350, a person shall not (without a valid carry permit):
(d) Carry concealed upon his person any:
(1) Explosive substance, other than ammunition or any components thereof;
(2) Dirk, dagger or machete;
(3) Pistol, revolver or other firearm, or other dangerous or deadly weapon; or
(4) Knife which is made an integral part of a belt buckle.
2. Except as otherwise provided in NRS 202.275 and 212.185, a person who violates any of the provisions of:
(a) Paragraph (a) or (c) or subparagraph (2) or (4) of paragraph (d) of subsection 1 is guilty:
(1) For the first offense, of a gross misdemeanor.
(2) For any subsequent offense, of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.
(b) Paragraph (b) or subparagraph (1) or (3) of paragraph (d) of subsection 1 is guilty of a category C felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.
Belt buckle knives and daggers are gross misdimeanors. Guns and explosives are class C felonies the first time.
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bobernet
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 04:41 am |
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Vegassteve
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 04:02 am |
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Hopalong wrote: Here is a web site that is one of the best at training for permits. Look it up and check out the faqs and ask them about the validity of the deal.
http://www.semperfirearms.com/Reciprocity_Explained.htm
A quick check today out at the Oasis gun club showed that several of the regulars have had a UT permit for some time - even those that have a NV permit. One guy and his wife took the course a week or so ago and said that out of 19 in the class, 8 were from NV and 2 from Calif
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I contacted the above website and here is the reply along with my email. So we are correct you must have a Nev CCW if you are a Nev resident.
Email..
- On Mon, 7/28/08, <xxxxxxx@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: xxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com>
Subject: CCW
To: ccws4u@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 6:38 PM
As a Nev resident can I carry in Nev if I have a UT permit BUT DO NOT have a Nev permit?
Thanks
Re: CCW
Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:53 PM
From:
This sender is DomainKeys verified
"Mike Motta" <ccws4u@yahoo.com>Add sender to Contacts
To:
xxxxxxxx@yahoo.com
No pusuant to NRS 202.3688. Thanks Mike
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Last edited on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 04:05 am by Vegassteve
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varminter22
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 02:01 pm |
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Loneviking wrote: wayneco wrote: When and where is this CCW meeting? When you say turnout, do you mean by citizens? Send the details...
Posted by Varminter22:
CCW Holders Forum on August 5, 1:30 p.m, hosted by the NV Sheriffs & Chiefs Ass'n. Primary location is Las Vegas with televideo link to a legislative room in Carson City.
Wayne, I've seen this info posted elsewhere as well, so this is legit and something we all need to attend.
As noted elsewhere, the forum date has been changed to September 10, 2008.
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