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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 12:47 am |
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Hello everybody, i just turned 18, and its time to pick with handgun i would like get as a gift.
Ive been shooting before, and have taken a few lessons, no im not a complete noob, but im still a noob.
Ive shot my buddies 9mm Browning Hipower, .40 FNH and .45 H&K
The 9mm is a fun gun to shoot, comfortable, and low recoil.
FNH .40 kicks a bit and his .45 is too big for me, although its nice to shoot, i have to keep readjusting my grip on the gun after every shot or 2.
Ive been considering the XDM .40, its quite a bit heavier then the FNH, which should help a lot with recoil, and with the adjustable grips, it looks like it will fit my hand. Im pretty set on the XDM, but i havent disqualified the XD .45 or the Glock line either.
Obviously, i want to shoot the guns before i make my decision.
Does anyone know of a good gunstore that will either rent to me, or allow my instructor/somebody over 21, to rent the gun, and hand it over to me?
Also, i dont want to spend a fortune just on renting 3 or 4 pistols, so cheap is good too.
I found the XDM .40 black on black for $565 online with free shipping, so if nobody in town can match that, i will also be looking for a shop that doesnt charge crazy fees for a FFL transfer.
Thanks for all your help in advance, hopefully i gave enough info, and if you have any other guns to recommend or suggest, ill give them a go too!
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paintsnow
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 12:48 am |
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Located in Las Vegas, NV.
Durrrr, haha
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Felid`Maximus
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 12:04 am |
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| You can't get a handgun through an FFL when under 21. If a handgun has to be shipped to an FFL you cannot get it. One way you might be able to get an XDM or other handgun legally though is to find one that someone who doesn't have an FFL who has a handgun but doesn't want it anymore. You can buy handguns through private sales at 18. Last edited on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 12:05 am by Felid`Maximus
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 12:06 am |
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I will be getting it as a gift, i need to pick which one i want first though. Since it is to personal..they are paying for the gun, but i still get to pick it, so FFL will be arranged by 21+ i just need to try out a few guns and decide.
Felid`Maximus wrote: You can't get a handgun through an FFL when under 21. If a handgun has to be shipped to an FFL you cannot get it. One way you might be able to get an XDM or other handgun legally though is to find one that someone who doesn't have an FFL who has a handgun but doesn't want it anymore. You can buy handguns through private sales at 18.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 12:28 am |
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he he he paint snow
i paint snow yellow
no1 well said no1
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 07:19 am |
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So which gun are you gonna let me try in return for making jokes at the expense of my username?
haha
No1 wrote: he he he paint snow
i paint snow yellow
no1 well said no1
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colt45ws
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 10:28 pm |
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The frame of the 9mm and .40 H&K USPs are smaller than the .45 USP. I have a 9mm USP I bought used through a private sale @ 19 and I like it.
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irish
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 01:39 am |
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I would recommend you do alot more research on the XD line of pistols. They are very difficult to have work done on them and almost impossible to find spare parts.
If I were to recommend a 1st time pistol to someone not familiar with firearms I would go with either a Glock 19 or 17, both 9mm with the 19 being more compact. Both are extremely reliable, need very little maintenance, spare parts are everywhere and it should serve you for years to come with little to no hassles.
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 01:57 am |
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Some handguns I recommend:
Beretta 92FS or 92G (or M9 commercial model, which is the same as the 92FS with some minor aesthetic differences.) [The 92G is practically the same as 92FS but the lever only decocks the gun and is not a safety.] Actually, any version of the Beretta 92 is a great gun. Some are made in the USA and some are made in Italy. (It will say on the slide where it is made.)
Revolvers. It is hard to go wrong with revolvers!Last edited on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 02:01 am by Felid`Maximus
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 02:14 am |
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irish wrote: I would recommend you do alot more research on the XD line of pistols. They are very difficult to have work done on them and almost impossible to find spare parts.
If I were to recommend a 1st time pistol to someone not familiar with firearms I would go with either a Glock 19 or 17, both 9mm with the 19 being more compact. Both are extremely reliable, need very little maintenance, spare parts are everywhere and it should serve you for years to come with little to no hassles.
I haven't heard of any reliability problems with the XD. A friend of mine uses one in competition and abuses the daylights out of it without any trouble, including going almost an entire season, amounting to several thousand rounds fired, without cleaning it. They finally cleaned it out of guilt, not because of any problems.
As for being difficult to work on, they have had no trouble requiring work. The only work done was a trigger job which made a good weapon an outstanding one.
The only problems I've heard of that may be encountered while working on an XD has to do with it having a polymer frame. You will encounter the same problems with any polymer framed firearm, including a Glock.
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irish
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 06:27 pm |
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Gordie wrote: irish wrote: I would recommend you do alot more research on the XD line of pistols. They are very difficult to have work done on them and almost impossible to find spare parts.
If I were to recommend a 1st time pistol to someone not familiar with firearms I would go with either a Glock 19 or 17, both 9mm with the 19 being more compact. Both are extremely reliable, need very little maintenance, spare parts are everywhere and it should serve you for years to come with little to no hassles.
I haven't heard of any reliability problems with the XD. A friend of mine uses one in competition and abuses the daylights out of it without any trouble, including going almost an entire season, amounting to several thousand rounds fired, without cleaning it. They finally cleaned it out of guilt, not because of any problems.
As for being difficult to work on, they have had no trouble requiring work. The only work done was a trigger job which made a good weapon an outstanding one.
The only problems I've heard of that may be encountered while working on an XD has to do with it having a polymer frame. You will encounter the same problems with any polymer framed firearm, including a Glock.
First let me say my intention isn't to start bashing the XD. My advice is based on my experience and listening to professional shooters who use their weapons in SHTF situations.
One of the biggest issues with the XD is the high bore axis which makes follow up shots more difficult than either a Glock or M&P. I also do not like the fact the gun is manufactured in Croatia for my own reasons, try getting work done on the pistol or buying spare parts. Ambi mag releases, especially button releases (as opposed to paddle releases), are more prone to accidental bumps, etc.
Some find the grip safety uncomfortable. Also, the fact that you need to be putting pressure on the grip safety to get the slide to move can range anywhere from a small annoyance to a serious problem (performing certain one-handed manipulations, for example).
Comparing one friend you have who shoots an XD in competition does not equate to the real world and needing to defend one's life or that of another. A skilled surgeon may be able to perform heart surgery with a butter knife... Looking at the bigger picture and a much larger sampling of what's out in the field would be much more helpful. If you're going to be punching holes in paper and using it as a range gun than the XD would be an OK choice. However, if you're buying this for serious social purposes than it is not nearly the equal of the Glock or an M&P.
All that being said if you like the XD and feel that it's the equal to some of the other proven, dependable options with great track records amongst real world shooters and not recreational paper punchers have at it.
To the OP. I'll be out of town for a few days and when I return if you'd like to take a turn shooting a Glock 19, a S&W M&P 9mm a few AR-15s and even a Wilson Combat CQB I'd be happy to meet you at a range. Go buy some ammo and let me know when you'd like to go.
Stay safe!
Last edited on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 06:29 pm by irish
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 08:11 pm |
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I have 10 handguns and just bought the XDM two days ago. I shot the best score I have ever with a new gun. I had resisted getting it because I have three glocks and love them.
I can't say how it will perform long run, but its now my new open carry gun
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irish
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 08:21 pm |
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Pace wrote: I have 10 handguns and just bought the XDM two days ago. I shot the best score I have ever with a new gun. I had resisted getting it because I have three glocks and love them.
I can't say how it will perform long run, but its now my new open carry gun
I'm curious to know how many rounds you put through your new XDM and what you mean by best score? How much time do you have shooting your Glocks? If it's a substantial amount of time with the Glocks why would you swap out a familiar platform that's proven to be reliable with one that you've only shot once and might be depending on to save your life or another?
My recommendation would be to put at least 500 stoppage free rounds through any given firearm before you deem it reliable enough to carry. I am carrying a firearm for protection of life and I need to know it's 100% reliable before carrying it and that means putting it through a few trials first.
Best of luck. Stay safe!
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 08:27 pm |
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How many rounds have I shot through the glocks? I couldn't tell you, I shoot 3 times a week in a range and once a week in the desert.
I do understand what you are saying, maybe I'm just too happy that the XDm is what people say it is.
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irish
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 08:33 pm |
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Pace wrote: How many rounds have I shot through the glocks? I couldn't tell you, I shoot 3 times a week in a range and once a week in the desert.
I do understand what you are saying, maybe I'm just too happy that the XDm is what people say it is.
Who and what do they say it is? You aren't answering any of my questions and I don't think this merits a serious discussion if you throw out unsubstantiated claims and don't present any facts. Read my previous posts, no professional who carries a gun in harms way recommends the XD or XDM, period.
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 08:40 pm |
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Come-on there are tons of positive reviews (I know you're going to say they were paid off) from people, plus numerous people in the gun community who love them.
Obviously everyone has their own person favourite, I was just really very impressed with the XDm. Obviously each person has their opinion, and I still carry a glock 23 most of the time.
"No professional reccomends" - feel free to google, you'll find a lot of professionals who love the XDm.
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 09:40 pm |
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I'm sure there are positive reviews, I won't say they were paid off but I would ask what the person's background is, what is their affiliation, does the manufacturer buy advertising with their magazine, etc. You reference people saying they like the XD/XDM in the gun community, who are they and in what gun community are you referring to?
When I'm referencing professionals I mean the likes of Larry Vickers, Travis Haley, Todd Green, Chris Costa etc. These people train or are training other people just about everyday and are serious users i.e. Delta Force, Vickers Tactical, USMC Force Recon, Magpul Dynamics etc. You can look them up and verify their credentials and see what they're using. Are your needs the same as theirs? Probably not, but the need for your weapon to go bang every time is and they are a good reference for what works.
If you like your XDM more power to you, I hope it's 100% for you. My point is that it does not have the well established reputation for being a reliable duty/self defense pistol and there are several polymer pistols that do i.e. Glock 19/17 or S&W M&P.
I'm trying to help a young, 1st time gun owner in making a responsible, educated and factually based decision without letting emotional attachment get in the way. Many people make a purchase and feel the need to defend the firearm not on it's merits but on how they feel about it, objectivity is the key here.
Have a great day and stay safe!
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 12:06 am |
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I do understand what you are saying to some degree. Will my XDm work a year from now, good question. I've been shooting glocks for quiet a while, and throw them in a bucket of soapy water to clean it, and still they are perfectly new.
I would agree that if you are starting, a GLOCK is a great weapon to get.
..and I've trained special forces, mind you. (Ok, not for firearms, but DT)
Best,
Pace
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irish
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 12:08 am |
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Maybe we can get together and do a little shooting sometime. I wouldn't mind shooting your XDM to see what improvements they've made and I have a few toys you might like too  Take care.
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 12:10 am |
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Not a problem, in the middle of moving right now but i do want to do a GTG of gun nuts like myself.
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