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Jared
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 06:13 am |
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I was thinking about something and in a post heller world it's really not a bad idea.
What if someone applied for a carry permit and when turned down they can state that their only option is to carry rifles and shotguns per their FID card (aka. Permit to carry rifles and shotguns). I think this would really shake things up.
If someone was to do it and make it known after being denied (or in the process of being denied) they could have a couple of people with recorders. I really think it would shake things up and be pretty interesting.
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Evil Ernie
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 11:57 am |
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I believe that person would set a new world record on recieving a police beat down.
Yeah, not the best idea...The cops, lawyers, and judges hold all the cards. The only thing that would get shook up is the carrier! The media would have a field day with it and would turn the state against you.
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Jared
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 01:19 pm |
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It's completely legal, that's why you have a couple of people follow you and record you. Kind of like Dave Ridley.
There is no evidence of turning the state against you, it's completely legal to do so as long as it is not loaded in a vehicle. The FID card says "Permit to carry rifles and shotguns" on it.
They can't convict you of anything, if you did get a beat down, it be a huge civil rights case.
I've never heard of beatdowns anywhere else, Virginia (people were threatened about open carry as little as 6 years ago with arrest), Oregon, Washington etc.
It's all the same story everywhere but in NJ, this seems like a good start.
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Evil Ernie
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 08:38 pm |
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I don't mean to whizz on your cornflakes, but the NJ FID card is only for purchasing. It does NOT permit you to carry any firearm anywhere.
The only places you can legally carry a firearm are:
-On your own property or at a business owned by you.
-At a NJ State Chartered shooting range.
-During an open hunting season with proper hunting license and credentials.
-While in possession of a valid NJ Carry Permit (Good luck getting one).
So if you want to parade around in your front yard with an K98, go for it. Aside from SKS's with fixed mags and a couple other semi's, 99% of semi auto rifles and shotguns are illegal in NJ. Even if you did parade around with a K98 in your own front yard, you'd still be subject to violations of menacing, DTP, brandishing, etc, etc, whether legal/civil or not.
This is not the best idea for "getting the ball rolling". All you're gonna do is feed the fire for anti's. They'll make you out to be a terrorist nutjob (like the guy in Jersey City that "owned too many guns"), and throw yer butt in jail.
Besides, even if you were successful, who in the NJ legislature is going to stand by you? None of them! There are no valid candidates for NJ on any of the local, state, and federal levels that support any citizen pro gun legislature. The only "pro gun" standing they have is to further arm more police.
The residents of NJ really need to band together and speak as one voice to make any headway, and I really don't see that happening in the foreseeable future.
Last edited on Sat Sep 20th, 2008 08:39 pm by Evil Ernie
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Jared
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 04:39 am |
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Evil Ernie wrote: I don't mean to whizz on your cornflakes, but the NJ FID card is only for purchasing. It does NOT permit you to carry any firearm anywhere.
The only places you can legally carry a firearm are:
-On your own property or at a business owned by you.
-At a NJ State Chartered shooting range.
-During an open hunting season with proper hunting license and credentials.
-While in possession of a valid NJ Carry Permit (Good luck getting one).
That is not true. That applies to handguns, not rifles and shotguns. Please cite the law that makes it illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in public with and FID card??
It would not make you out to be a terrorist or any other nonsense. The Rhode Island Attorney Generals office tried to convince the supreme court in Mosby v Devine 851 a2d that since you could carry rifles and shotguns that there was no need to force the AG to issue pistol permits. They lost that arguement (they won the case but the court said police chiefs have to issue pistol permits).
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 04:27 pm |
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Jared wrote: I was thinking about something and in a post heller world it's really not a bad idea.
What if someone applied for a carry permit and when turned down they can state that their only option is to carry rifles and shotguns per their FID card (aka. Permit to carry rifles and shotguns). I think this would really shake things up.
If someone was to do it and make it known after being denied (or in the process of being denied) they could have a couple of people with recorders. I really think it would shake things up and be pretty interesting.
Volunteering?
Yata hey
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Tom488
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 10:17 am |
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That is not true. That applies to handguns, not rifles and shotguns. Please cite the law that makes it illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in public with and FID card??
2C:39-5c(2): Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
Do not confuse this with the language of 2C:39-5c(1), which says "Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without first having obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S. 2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree".
2C:39-5c(1) makes it legal to possess a rifle or shotgun, outside of your home, as long as you hold an FID card. 2C:39-5c(2) makes it illegal, REGARDLESS OF FID, to possess a loaded rifle or shotgun, unless permitted by some other section (ie. at your residence, place of business, hunting, range, etc.)
So, with an FID card, you could (theoretically) walk around with a rifle slung over your shoulder, but said rifle could not be loaded.
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