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yankees98a
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 05:07 am |
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Was being followed by a cop for 2 miles doing a main st stretch... Did 26 in a 30 then 20 in a 25. (Was late at night and new to the roads).
Was it legal to be pulled over. Reason was I was going slow so they wanted to "make sure" I was ok.
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NavyLT
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 02:03 pm |
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Probably. It was late at night. Part of the deal is that prersons under the influence have a hard time doing two things at once. In other words, drunken drivers will typically either drive straight, but do to ther inablility to concentrate on speed, they will drive slow. If they concentrate on their speed to avoid your situation (being pulled over), they will lose their concentration on driving straight and weave.
That's why they do the heal to toe walk on the line. The drunk will either conctentrate on heal to toe and not be able to walk the line, or concentrate on the line and not be able to do the heal to to part.
If it was nothing more than the LEO just checking up and they didn't officially detain you, I wouldn't be concerned.
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marshaul
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 02:23 pm |
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| It's best to drive right at or above (by 2 or 3 mph) the speed limit. Driving 5mph below the speed limit attracts as much attention as going 10 over.
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PT111
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 02:58 pm |
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As long as all they did was check to see if you were OK there was nothing illegal that I can see. Driving over or under the speed limit is suspicious but since you said you were unfamiliar with the road that is a legitimate reason.
Several years ago the Texas Highway Patrol did a study and found that the person driving below the speed limit was much more dangerous than one driving above the speed limit. (Not those exact words but to that effect).
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ghostrider
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 09:40 pm |
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NavyLT wrote: Probably. It was late at night. Part of the deal is that prersons under the influence have a hard time doing two things at once. In other words, drunken drivers will typically either drive straight, but do to ther inablility to concentrate on speed, they will drive slow. If they concentrate on their speed to avoid your situation (being pulled over), they will lose their concentration on driving straight and weave.
That's why they do the heal to toe walk on the line. The drunk will either conctentrate on heal to toe and not be able to walk the line, or concentrate on the line and not be able to do the heal to to part.
If it was nothing more than the LEO just checking up and they didn't officially detain you, I wouldn't be concerned.
While I agree with most of this, the bold faced part is untrue. The instant they turn on your flashers, you are no longer free to ignore them or leave, and you most certainly being detained. The RS for being detained was probably that he was driving 5 under at a late hour.
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NavyLT
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 02:32 am |
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Yes, ghostrider, I guess that is true, you don't have much choice! I guess I meant the whole field sobriety check, breathalyzer, etc...
While they might have perfectly legal to do all that stuff as well, it would have really pissed me off... but just the stop wouldn't bother me. I've gotten pulled over before for forgetting to dim the headlights, which to me is legit (no ticket, just a check..)
I've also gotten pulled over about 18 years ago just for driving a Toyota Celica with tinted windows and three other people in the car. It just happened to be at 6:30 in the morning and we were carpooling to work. That was definitely profiling and I was pissed about that. No reason at all for the stop, the cop couldn't even give me one, he just said he was checking us out....
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 02:48 am |
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| When that happens to me I really don't get upset as long as it's over quickly 5 minutes max. and doesn't involve them holding my gun.
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 03:56 pm |
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I get a kick out of cops. They claim it is suspicious if you drive right at or under the speed limit, so it is OK to pull you over for that, even though no offense is being committed.
if you go over the speed limit thats a citable offense, so they can pull you over.
so basically, there is no speed you can drive at where they can't make a claim that it is OK to pull you over.
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SlackwareRobert
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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 04:02 pm |
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You ever mess with their jurisdiction?
I had one tailling me, and when I crossed the state line a floored it and
slowed down when reentering his beloved state.
Gave me a long dirty look, but I continued on. Thank god for cruise
so I could relax till he got bored and left.
I do know I won't pull over for an offence that is out of state, I will
just drive to the next police department to agrivate him more.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 01:51 am |
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| NJ police harass more than any other state. In Texas they will just drag you out of the car and beat you senseless if you even sass them. I would NEVER live in NJ (or TX). Try VT, PA, MT, OR, WA if you can move. NJ is just out of hand!
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marshaul
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 05:13 am |
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Oh, yeah, by the way, this is the exact reason I oppose speed limits.
Instead of holding police to something that actually resembles "reasonable articulable suspicion", they get all these arbitrary regulatory limits, which provide a crutch for justifying otherwise unreasonable stops.
Instead of, "I witnessed the operator clearly driving in an erratic manner, swerving and maintaining inconsistent speed, thus exhibiting classic behavior indicative of driving under the influence of alcohol, according to my training and experiece" it's become "Um, well, I LIDARed the perp going 31 in a 25, so he's clearly already in violation" (and thus can be stopped) to, even worse, "Well, uh, the speed limit is 25, and I caught him doing 20, so he must be doing something wrong. I'm basing this on no other reasoning than him driving at some speed other than the arbitrary number at which you're "supposed" to drive (and which is even called a "limit"), but, hey, that's reasonable, isn't it? I mean after all, we live in a day and age where we're told what speed at which we are supposed to drive, so there really isn't any reason to drive at any other speed".
I understand the justification for all the regulation, but in my view the ultimate effect, and thus purpose, is to take the "reasonable" out of the standard of RAS, and government regulation in general.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 06:41 pm |
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SlackwareRobert wrote: You ever mess with their jurisdiction?
I had one tailling me, and when I crossed the state line a floored it and
slowed down when reentering his beloved state.
Gave me a long dirty look, but I continued on. Thank god for cruise
so I could relax till he got bored and left.
I do know I won't pull over for an offence that is out of state, I will
just drive to the next police department to agrivate him more.
lol. awesome 
what state do you live in? In my state there are no more jurisdictions
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SlackwareRobert
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 09:48 pm |
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Was a Tenn state trooper, Ga. has a one mile stretch of the highway, when I crossed
the state line I took off, and then braked back into Tn.
Leads me to wonder if anyone has ever used extradition law to contest a ticket,
If he tried to get me out of state I knew I would be one of the first.
Course I did get a tail in Ga once with an entire car full of weapons.
I was moving 16 guns, and 7 swords down here and made a wrong turn.
No trunk to put them in, cop would have laid a brick if he pulled me over im shure.
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Task Force 16
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 05:35 am |
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marshaul wrote: It's best to drive right at or above (by 2 or 3 mph) the speed limit. Driving 5mph below the speed limit attracts as much attention as going 10 over.
Unless your driving an old clunker. the the LE may figure your just trying to baby the old antique to get the last ounce of "GO" out of it.
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Gunslinger
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Posted: Fri Nov 21st, 2008 10:40 pm |
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marshaul wrote: Oh, yeah, by the way, this is the exact reason I oppose speed limits.
Hell, I oppose them because I like driving fast. 
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SlackwareRobert
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 09:04 pm |
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I support gas saving limits. For me best mpg is 100-115. Definatly drops off
at 142mph. Plus the stock brakes are a joke when used at this speed.
But I always obey the law...... Can't wait to try out these stupid traffic cameras.
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marshaul
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 09:14 pm |
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| Damn, I wish I got good mileage above 90 mph.
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SlackwareRobert
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Posted: Tue Nov 25th, 2008 09:32 pm |
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I get an extra 90 per tank if I stay over 100 vs 65.
I'll never give the car up since it proves the govt doesn't care about
saving fuel.
Plus it is much safer.....
Can anyone give me even one instance of someone going over 100
getting hit? All accidents i've ever ran across delt with someone going much slower.
Just remember to never drive faster than the conditions allow for.
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zigziggityzoo
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Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 08:43 pm |
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yankees98a wrote:
Was being followed by a cop for 2 miles doing a main st stretch... Did 26 in a 30 then 20 in a 25. (Was late at night and new to the roads).
Was it legal to be pulled over. Reason was I was going slow so they wanted to "make sure" I was ok.
Generally, when a cop starts tailing me, I just pull over. They usually just keep driving and give me the death stare.
This is harassment. It's illegal. If it happens again, dial 911 and let them know you're being harassed by a driver in a police car who wont stop following you. Cops like this should have their badges taken away. It's their job to protect and serve, not harass and abuse.
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Posted: Wed Dec 10th, 2008 08:45 pm |
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vermonter wrote: NJ police harass more than any other state. In Texas they will just drag you out of the car and beat you senseless if you even sass them. I would NEVER live in NJ (or TX). Try VT, PA, MT, OR, WA if you can move. NJ is just out of hand!
Please don't stereotype us this way. I've lived in Texas 37 years, been pulled over my fair share for speeding and never been beaten by a cop. Neither has a single person I know.
Thanks muchly 
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