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Evil Ernie
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Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 02:06 pm |
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Being that I'm a NJ native (not very proud of that), I thought I'd throw this little ditty out for your perusal and opinion.
Talk amongst yourselves, I'm getting a little farklempt....
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/S2500/2431_I1.PDF
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dng
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Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 02:12 pm |
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And NJ moves closer to socialism... Isn't that a great piece of legislation? Punish the law abiding, that makes sense! 
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 01:17 am |
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Sounds a like like Natzi Germany to me!
Yata hey
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 02:25 am |
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| Care to explain the difference between this law and previous? It prohibits carrying of guns in public. In New Jersey. So what's new about that?
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Evil Ernie
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Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 04:29 am |
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I think they redefined "illegal weapon" to include ALL handguns, even the legally owned ones. And then they added if the legally owned handgun was ANYWHERE in your private vehicle it's considered an "illegal weapon" The way that this act reads is that although you're permitted to own a handgun legally, if you're caught with it you're dogmeat.
1. a. As used in this section:
“Prohibited firearm” means any handgun, sawed-off shotgun,
assault firearm or machine gun.
“Public place” means any place to which the public has access,
including but not limited to a public street, sidewalk, bridge, alley,
plaza, park, boardwalk, driveway, parking lot or transportation
facility, educational institution, public library, shopping center or
mall or the doorways and entrance ways to any building which
fronts on any of these places, or a motor vehicle in or on any such
place.
18 b. Unless otherwise permitted by law, a person commits a crime
19 of the second degree if, while in or on a public place, he knowingly
20 carries a prohibited firearm on or about his person, or otherwise
21 possesses the prohibited firearm within his immediate reach or in
22 any portion of a motor vehicle in which he is traveling.
Now the tricky part: What is "otherwise permitted by law"? Carry permit? Police/Military only? Who knows!
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Bubba Ron
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 11:03 pm |
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I'd love to cross paths with a NJ LEO while he or she was visiting in Virginia, the look on their face from seeing a lowly citizen with a GUN on their side would be like an E-ticket at Disney World 
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Decoligny
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 11:45 pm |
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U.S. CODE Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44, § 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
The above referenced US Code trumps any and all State, County, City, Town, or Village Laws. If you are legally allowed to have a firearm at place A, and want to go to place B, and want to take your gun, then follow the above. Last edited on Thu Jan 24th, 2008 11:47 pm by Decoligny
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Evil Ernie
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Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2008 04:24 am |
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Are you willing to test that theory? Here's one guy who did...
http://www.anjrpc.org/ANJRPC-vs-PortAuthority.pdf
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unrequited
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Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2008 09:31 am |
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Evil Ernie wrote:
Are you willing to test that theory? Here's one guy who did...
http://www.anjrpc.org/ANJRPC-vs-PortAuthority.pdf
HOLY CRAP. I just read the first paragraph thinking it'd be boring, and got sucked it. I used to be not 5 miles from the Essex County Jail in Newark, and not much farther from the Airport. I can't believe all the b.s. this guy got put through, and in the end of it all he still hasn't received his firearm or ammunition back.
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Decoligny
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Posted: Fri Jan 25th, 2008 04:13 pm |
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Evil Ernie wrote: Are you willing to test that theory? Here's one guy who did...
http://www.anjrpc.org/ANJRPC-vs-PortAuthority.pdf
I see that he filed. I don't see any results of his filing. From what is shown here, he well may have been awarded damages, but without any other documentation all we have here is someone filing against the Port Authority for violating U.S. Code under color of law.
Just because a cop arrests you for something doesn't mean that thing is illegal. And that's what my original post was meant to show. The U.S. Code is SUPPOSED to trump N.J. Code.
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Evil Ernie
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Posted: Sat Jan 26th, 2008 03:50 am |
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And you are correct in saying that it's "supposed" to trump it. And it does! But at what cost? Sure there's avenues of recourse and redress, but this poor fellow got screwed! This is one of the reasons I left NJ, too many bad militaristic LEO's that don't even have the common courtesy to return a "good morning" at the coffee shop. In the 17 yrs that I lived there, not one officer replied in kind to a simple greeting. It was always an immediate move to a combat ready stance. If you locked eyes in passing, they would shake you down. Didn't matter what age, color, or gender.
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unrequited
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Posted: Sat Jan 26th, 2008 12:14 pm |
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I was and am friends with many cops in Bergen County where I grew up, and they were friendly to a T. Of course yes you had the high on a horse type guys, but that wasn't the majority. Most were small-town cops making $70k+ after 3 years sitting in a car all day making sure kids on bikes didn't cross the street without looking.
...I then went to college in Newark, where it was a bit different. The cops used to come over to give us noise violations to the fraternity house, but honestly, and there are pictures, we'd use to invite the cops in at the end of the night and they'd play a game or two of Beirut (Beer Pong). The girls were old enough, the cops were young enough, and we all had a fun ass time. I can remember on two separate occasions where the cops had to leave mid-game because of a shooting. Newark's a hell of a place.
The only guys I ever had a problem with were the State Troopers, but ironically enough, most of the cops I still talk to in Jersey are troopers.Last edited on Sat Jan 26th, 2008 12:15 pm by unrequited
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Decoligny
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Posted: Sat Jan 26th, 2008 09:35 pm |
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Evil Ernie wrote: And you are correct in saying that it's "supposed" to trump it. And it does! But at what cost? Sure there's avenues of recourse and redress, but this poor fellow got screwed! SNIP
As I mentioned, it doesn't say what the final outcome was, so we don't know he got screwed. If he wins his suit, then NJ screwed itself to the tune of 3.1 MILLION Dollars.
Enough of these kind of settlements and NJ might just get their heads out of ....the dark.
Last edited on Sat Jan 26th, 2008 09:36 pm by Decoligny
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NoGunNJ
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 01:44 am |
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Evil Ernie wrote:
Are you willing to test that theory? Here's one guy who did...
http://www.anjrpc.org/ANJRPC-vs-PortAuthority.pdf
I just read that...this is OUTRAGEOS.Last edited on Fri Jul 11th, 2008 01:44 am by NoGunNJ
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Dutch Uncle
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 04:07 pm |
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New Jersey is a socialist toilet. The state government is notoriously corrupt and mob-influenced. It should come as no surprise that rogue cops can get away with outrageous behavior with little or no consequence.
The entire government should be investigated for being a RICO violator. 
Last edited on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 04:08 pm by Dutch Uncle
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usSiR
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 04:33 pm |
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WOW 
If I ever fly that way it, I wont be stopping in NJ
I hope he gets/got $3.1M
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Legba
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 04:41 pm |
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All this sounds eerily familiar...
-ljp
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Thundar
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 02:01 pm |
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| IANAL but, If the supreme law of the land is the constitution and the Supreme Court has recognized immediate access to firearms for legitimate self defence, would access to a handgun for self defence be permitted by the supreme law of the land, thus negating most charges based upon the " unless otherwise permitted by law clause?
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 04:58 pm |
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New Jersey (et al) has been in violation of the US Constitution since prob'ly the end of the Revolution. It's a blatent denial of a citizens Right to self defense. You vote these people into office over and over again expecting a different result?
New Jersey tourists 'n newcomers here freak out when they see somebody (like me) with a gun on their hip. Welcome to the WILD WEST pard! 
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Bookman
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 06:24 am |
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Evil Ernie wrote: Are you willing to test that theory? Here's one guy who did...
http://www.anjrpc.org/ANJRPC-vs-PortAuthority.pdf
It would be interesting to know how this one turned/turns out. I tried to find out, but the most recent thing I could find was a ruling on a motion from August of last year.
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