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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 09:51 pm |
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So I was in Las Vegas, NM and I was open carrying where ever I went, Walmart, grocery store, radio shack and more.
I never saw anyone open carrying. I do think some people were a little shocked to see me open carrying.
I went to the local police station, asked a cop if its ok to open carry. He didnt know so he goes into his office comes back 15 minutes later with some print outs of the state laws about firearms and an application for concealed carry.
He still couldnt confirm but he said he wouldnt advise to wear it open.
With that said, can anyone here give me the state law or any NM govt wording that says its ok to open carry in NM?
Also, if you were in my situation , would you still open carry if nobody else did and it wasnt really a thing the public over there were accustomed too?
I still want to open carry...
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SicSemperTyrannis
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 09:59 pm |
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| Why did you go to a police station to ask a cop about the law? Cops are not lawyers, and they typically only know enough about the laws they regularly enforce to get by and make arrests that will hold up in court. I wouldn't expect otherwise, they are only human, and there is no way (or reason) for them to memorize sections of code about things they rarely see or experience. I am not even sure if it is possible, with as many laws as are on the books. In the Richmond tri-cities area, there is one locality where OVER 50% of those arrested by cops are never even charged - often because the prosecutors can't even make a case that a crime has been commited based on the officers report/behavior. Open carry in NM is legal - about as legal as it gets - it is a Gold Star state. There is rarely any reason to ask a cop his or her opinion on the law - in some cases, especially with relatively obscure topics, you may as well ask Joe Schmoe on the street. You also put the officer in a predicament - he doesn't want to be wrong and have it come back to bite him - so you will get the most conservative answer. From your post, it sounds like this officer just gave you his opinion, anyway - that he would advise against it. OK. He shouldn't open carry then. That has nothing to do with the choices you make.
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joeroket
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 10:09 pm |
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Haroon wrote: He didnt know so he goes into his office comes back 15 minutes later with some print outs of the state laws about firearms
Just out of curiosity, which laws did he print out for you?
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Haroon
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 10:54 pm |
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SicSemperTyrannis wrote: Why did you go to a police station to ask a cop about the law? Cops are not lawyers, and they typically only know enough about the laws they regularly enforce to get by and make arrests that will hold up in court. I wouldn't expect otherwise, they are only human, and there is no way (or reason) for them to memorize sections of code about things they rarely see or experience. I am not even sure if it is possible, with as many laws as are on the books. In the Richmond tri-cities area, there is one locality where OVER 50% of those arrested by cops are never even charged - often because the prosecutors can't even make a case that a crime has been commited based on the officers report/behavior. Open carry in NM is legal - about as legal as it gets - it is a Gold Star state. There is rarely any reason to ask a cop his or her opinion on the law - in some cases, especially with relatively obscure topics, you may as well ask Joe Schmoe on the street. You also put the officer in a predicament - he doesn't want to be wrong and have it come back to bite him - so you will get the most conservative answer. From your post, it sounds like this officer just gave you his opinion, anyway - that he would advise against it. OK. He shouldn't open carry then. That has nothing to do with the choices you make.
chill out man! I went to the station beause they enforce the law, so I figured they would know it. Why are you making it seem cops are the last people who know the law and as if their job doesnt revolve around the LAW.
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Citizen
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Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 01:52 am |
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No harm in asking the police. One just has to recognize the liabilities--very frequently answers that are wrong.
We've learned the hard way to learn the law ourselves instead of asking the police. Check out the threads, "Gwinnet County Police," "Henrico Intrusive Policy," and the thread about the incident at Tony's restaurant in Manassas. Our Supermoderator, Mike, had to sue a PA county sheriff to get him to stop violating law by demanding Social Security numbers on concealed carrry permits. The list goes on and on.
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Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 02:01 am |
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Haroon wrote: chill out man! I went to the station beause they enforce the law, so I figured they would know it. Why are you making it seem cops are the last people who know the law and as if their job doesnt revolve around the LAW.
Because we know by experience asking LEOs for legal advice leads almost always to frustration and incorrect proffers of rules of law.
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Haroon
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Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 07:52 pm |
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so with that said, is there any place I can go to print out a state law or anything written that backs up how you can OC in NM?
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bayboy42
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Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 07:58 pm |
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| Haroon - thats an easy one.....cite the law that says you can't OC in NM.
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 08:26 am |
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bayboy42 wrote: Haroon - thats an easy one.....cite the law that says you can't OC in NM.
He can't OC in places that sell alcohol even for off premesis consumption. Violation is a felony.
Other than that, I don't think it's a problem.
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Haroon
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 12:39 pm |
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Lonnie Wilson wrote: bayboy42 wrote: Haroon - thats an easy one.....cite the law that says you can't OC in NM.
He can't OC in places that sell alcohol even for off premesis consumption. Violation is a felony.
Other than that, I don't think it's a problem.
I thought you could carry in places that sell alcohol, just has to be open not concealed? Or was that VA...
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Posted: Sat May 19th, 2007 03:56 am |
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Haroon wrote: Lonnie Wilson wrote: bayboy42 wrote: Haroon - thats an easy one.....cite the law that says you can't OC in NM.
He can't OC in places that sell alcohol even for off premesis consumption. Violation is a felony.
Other than that, I don't think it's a problem.
I thought you could carry in places that sell alcohol, just has to be open not concealed? Or was that VA...
Um....at least for now the open carry and concealed carry "rules" are exact mirrors in NM. Or put another way, they are the same rules applying to both. On July 2nd or thereabouts, you will be able to carry, concealed only, in packaged liquor stores.
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Posted: Sat May 19th, 2007 07:26 pm |
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With that said, can anyone here give me the state law or any NM govt wording that says its ok to open carry in NM?
You got me curious. After much researching, it appears everything is geared to CCW. The only place I could find it mentioned was in the NM State Constitution.
Other resources state NM is an Open Carry State, but no specific reference.
I carried concealed 84-94 , authorized in the NM Liq Laws. An owner/Leesee of a Liq Lisc is authorized to carry for the protection of himself and his customers. Open or concealed was not mentioned. But open would have been stupid for some one to grab the firearm. I carried in a shoulder holster most of the time.
Since I no longer lease a Liq Lisc, I'm back to the open carry subject to restrictions of Fed and State. I don't have a CCW, as I haven't been able to get away from my Parental Caregiving duties for the time needed to attend the necessary classes.
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Posted: Sat May 19th, 2007 07:36 pm |
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Ok to be clear, is there any state official writing some where weather its in the some book or state law book or state constitution or whatever, that basically says you can OC in NM?
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Posted: Sat May 19th, 2007 07:38 pm |
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LCSNM wrote: With that said, can anyone here give me the state law or any NM govt wording that says its ok to open carry in NM?
You'll find it right next to the law that says you can wear a red shirt and drive a yellow car at the same time. In other words, if it's not specifically prohibited then it's legal to do it, or in the logic of the antis it's a loophole in the law that allows you to open carry.
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Posted: Sat May 19th, 2007 07:52 pm |
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OC-Glock19 wrote: LCSNM wrote: With that said, can anyone here give me the state law or any NM govt wording that says its ok to open carry in NM?
You'll find it right next to the law that says you can wear a red shirt and drive a yellow car at the same time. In other words, if it's not specifically prohibited then it's legal to do it, or in the logic of the antis it's a loophole in the law that allows you to open carry.
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ok cool thanks 
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Posted: Sun May 20th, 2007 01:30 am |
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Haroon wrote: OC-Glock19 wrote: LCSNM wrote: With that said, can anyone here give me the state law or any NM govt wording that says its ok to open carry in NM?
You'll find it right next to the law that says you can wear a red shirt and drive a yellow car at the same time. In other words, if it's not specifically prohibited then it's legal to do it, or in the logic of the antis it's a loophole in the law that allows you to open carry.
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I was quoting Haroons request. I should have credited him for the question. Read my whole post. NM Constitution says you can There is another one about the car specific. It is an extension of your home and open carry/concealed carry is authorized.
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Posted: Sun May 20th, 2007 02:29 am |
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It is a constitutional *right* both Federally AND in the State of New Mexico. There are no other laws that infringe upon that right other than what is spelled out. It is NOT more complicated than that. It also is not something that is viewed or dealt with as a privledge.
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Posted: Sun May 20th, 2007 06:20 am |
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Haroon,
"The NM OC Law" is in the NM State Constitution, and it has a preemption statement as well.
Cite the NM Constitution for your "law" allowing OC-ing in NM...especially to that ignorant cop next time you see him.
We have lots of ignorant cops here, too, and they even stomp all over your rights due to their ignorance of the law.
-- John D.
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 12:03 am |
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| I hope you did not walk into a business that sells alcohol. Its a 4th degree felony in NM to carry a firearm into any place that sells alcohol . Starting July 1st 2007 you can carry concealed with a CHL into businesses that sell alcohol for off premises consumption. The 4th degree felony can not be reduced. It is a mandatory 1 year in prison. Please review state law 30-7-3. Be carefull.
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 01:21 am |
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